Anthony Kimani Ichung'wah

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to begin by thanking the Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Wandayi, for raising… (Loud consultations)(Laughter)(Applause) 5th December 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)is their right under our Constitution. Therefore, I cannot agree more...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Actually, we would not have cared whether there was the NG-CDF or not if the Treasury had made sure that the bursary money was with the people we represent. It is our work to resolve issues that are of concern to the people of Kenya...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, if Members will allow me to finish, as you have indicated, this matter is not contested by anybody, including the Leader of the Majority Party. That is why I took the liberty even before the matter was raised before this House… You...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) When it comes to an issue…

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) For me, when it comes to an issue of conflict between the interest of a Cabinet Secretary, a Principal Secretary, a Chair of a Board, or the NG-CDF CEO and the people of Kikuyu, the people of Kikuyu will take precedence over anyone else. That...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Listen! As the Leader of the Minority Party said – without anticipating debate – Members should take note that the House Business Committee had slotted in a Morning Sitting on Thursday. I indicated to the Cabinet Secretary that this House cannot proceed for the long...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. With your indulgence, I beg to withdraw the Procedural Motion because of the wording. I shall consult with the House Business Committee. (Loud consultations) Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, with your indulgence, I beg to withdraw Order...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes. The consistent presence of petitions on hardship requires you to speak to the Executive to formulate regulations that are clear, determinate, understandable and bring to you, perhaps, through the Committee on Delegated Legislation, so that you can debate and set the criteria on what...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to propose a further amendment to sub-clause (4) which talks of “based on satisfactory performance” immediately after the words “one further term of three years”. This makes the law very subjective. How do you tell what is satisfactory performance? If...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, first I want to propose a further amendment on Clause 20 (b) by deleting the last words, “by the Ministry responsible for Public Service, Performance and Delivery Management” to read: “by the National Government”. The sentence will read thus: “on the basis...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Would you like to be informed by the Leader of the Majority Party?

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is your point of order, Leader of the Majority Party? Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, since the Chairman does not want to be informed, let...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to move a further amendment. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by adding the words “and the conduct of the National Lottery” immediately after the word “gambling” appearing...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I object. You know, we are legislating and law is legalese. The lawyers in the Committee should have explained to the Members what is mutatis mutandis. I was actually going to google. Any layman like myself can google what mutatis mutandis means....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have been convinced by the Hon. Chairman that mutatis mutandis is not in place but ‘with necessary modifications’ can work. Let me support the Hon. Chairman. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you. Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I particularly support the deletion of sub-clause (3) , which was exempting the prize monies paid under this Act from Income Tax. In fact, my view was that this would have been a very unconstitutional provision in the Bill. Therefore, I support....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want the Chairperson to take us slowly. I got the first bit. Can he take us sub-clause by sub-clause? He is reading his justification in a very jumbled up manner. His justification on the first clause is clear. I need clarification...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I persuade the Chairperson to drop the last sub-clause that says: “ (3) The Board shall, while proposing and determining the allocation, set the criteria and conditions for accessing the Fund, ensure equitable distribution across the country including allocations to state and...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I am laughing because the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education has now taken over the work of the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. He is dropping an amendment without the owner dropping it. He should be persuading the Chairman...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We pushed the Chair to move Clause 2 when he was still perusing his papers. So, he has not given us any justification. Before we decide, it is only fair that we hear the justification. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Chairman, this...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard the justification. Clause 2 defines the term “Cabinet Secretary” as the Cabinet Secretary for the time being responsible for matters related to national lotteries. The Chairperson has just said that the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration will...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN THE HOUSE CONSIDERATION OF...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I request the Member for Kabete, who is the Vice-Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture, Hon. Githua Wamacukuru, to second the Motion for...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)(Technical hitch)Hon. Temporary Speaker, allow me to take this opportunity to thank Members of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture and all Members who have sat…

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. I thank Members who have sat throughout the Committee of the whole House. This is where actual legislation is done. I must commend all Members. I hope they will all be present on Tuesday afternoon to testify to what the few Members present...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I seek your indulgence. I rise under Standing Order 53 to request that we defer putting the Question to the next sitting.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I am very proud to represent the good people of Kikuyu even as we serve the rest of the country. I rise to support this Motion on the National Tax Policy. This National Tax Policy is one of the measures...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) We will advise them on appeal. I am certain that the able lawyers led by our senior Sir George, Member for Tharaka Constituency, will be articulating these issues. In fact, I called Hon. Murugara and some of our legal counsels to ask them if they...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you. You know I have also been pausing to listen to you when you interrupt me. That is why I am begging your indulgence for two more minutes. 30th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) If we were to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, Kenyans must begin to ask themselves how we arrived at that situation where we spend 95 per cent of our tax refunds on two companies dealing with bread and milk. When I spoke about instituting a State capture commission, I meant business....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)He normally sits here.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Today is one of those bad days. The Chairman of the Public Petitions Committee is very diligent. He is always here. I see him there all the time. Can you direct him to bring the response to the Petition by Chiforomodo before we recess? Hon....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the Gambling Control Bill (National Assembly Bill No.70 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. This Bill is related to the National Lottery Bill, 2023, which went through its Second Reading in today’s Morning Sitting. This Bill...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Unfortunately, it is three in a population of 349 Members of the National Assembly and about 67 Senators. So, in a population of about 500 people, you can count three or four Members. If you go to the population outside there in our villages, it...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I was actually lost but I have been guided by the Chairperson. Just to clarify, for Hon. Mwenje’s interest, Clause 19 (1) indicates that a public officer shall not be a party to or beneficiary of contract for the supply of goods, works or services...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to beg Members, including Hon. Kaluma, to listen to me. He has not been listening to what Hon. Mutuse has been telling him. First, there was an earlier amendment to Clause 25 to delete the entire Clause, which was defeated....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have listened to the amendment by the Hon. Chairman on behalf of the Committee. He is leaving dependent children and removing the spouse, and I am just wondering whether your spouse is part of you, or they are construed to be...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. That is what I wanted to clarify. The responsible commission, other than everybody reporting to EACC. Parliamentarians will deposit theirs with the Parliamentary Service Commission, and those in the Judiciary will deposit theirs with the Judicial Service Commission. This is to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I confirm that we agreed with the Chairman that we carry his amendment. This is one of the issues that were of great concern to almost everybody during the Second Reading. We cannot export our public duty to our families including our great-grandchildren, grandmothers, aunties,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the House do report its consideration of the Conflict of Interest Bill (National Assembly Bill No.12 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I also request Hon. Owen Baya to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House. I do not know if...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, just for the record, the re-committal of Clause 48 is because there cannot be concurrent investigations being conducted by reporting authorities and the EACC. For instance, a judge who is being investigated by the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) as the reporting authority...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I have already justified. I do not know why the Clerk wants me to say it again. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : I will put the Question. 29th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 76 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)be added, put and agreed...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Mukunji to second the Motion for agreement with the Report of the Committee of the whole House.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes, Hon. Speaker. I have a Statement that I wish to read. First, allow me to thank you for leading the Kenyan delegation to the 16th Meeting of the Bureau of Speakers of the East African Community (EAC) and the East African Legislative Assembly (EALA)...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me first thank Senior Counsel, Hon. Otiende Amollo, for those issues and, indeed, confirm that Hon. Otiende Amollo wrote a very detailed letter with all those 13 or 14 issues. He copied my Office, and I remember Hon. Speaker discussing...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I mentioned that the Hon. Murugara, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, is not in the House. To hear one of his Members, the Hon. Junet Mohamed, who from the records never 28th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me also commend you for that very well-reasoned ruling. You have touched on other very critical issues like Members who carry firearms. Indeed, it is worrying if any Member would even fathom walking into the Chamber with a firearm.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) At times tempers flare up here, especially between Hon. Junet and me. I am not sure I could be trusted with a firearm nor can I trust Hon. Junet carrying a firearm into the Chamber. You have also touched on dress code, which is very...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I will not name them. However, should the same be repeated, I will relay the names to your office so that you can also act. If the same happens again, let me just say it loud and clear that I will name you...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the House reports its consideration of the National Government Constituencies Development Fund (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2023) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) IN...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I also ask Hon. Musa Sirma to second.

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, protect Hon. Toroitich from the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, who is telling him to stand for Division alone. (Laughter) 28th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42 Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA)overburden the physical framework that we have and the commitments...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I beg to move that the National Lottery Bill (National Assembly Bill No.69 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. Allow me to thank the Chairman who is Hon. Dan Wanyama, the Vice-Chairman, who is Hon. Githua Wamacukuru, all the Members of the Departmental...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I know that Hon. Caroli Omondi is a very diligent Member of the Committee. He was among the people I had spoken to in Mlolongo to make sure they put that. I am certain he wants to inform me that they have...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I do not want to be informed now. He will inform me when he will be contributing.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) This will allow him not to eat into my time and allow other Members to contribute. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I was in Clause 6 of the Bill. Clause 6 (2) of the Bill says that the board may on its own or through legal agents...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I will fire them! (Laughter)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, there are a number of Questions in respect of which we deferred the appearance of Cabinet Secretaries this week and next week. I beg the Member’s indulgence to prepare a written Statement to be sent to the Committee. Because of many pending...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I know Hon. Bowen Kangogo’s son was sitting for his KCPE and he has done extremely well. Congratulations to the young Kangogo for the exemplary performance in his KCPE. That is 23rd November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10 Hon. Kimani...

Order, Hon. Sunkuyia. Hon. Kimani Ichungw’ah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, Hon. Kangogo and Hon. Sunkuyia are being very bad examples to younger Members. They have been here long enough to know that these microphones pick up everything they converse in vernacular behind the person speaking. It is only fair...

Hon. Kimani Ichungw’ah (Kikuyu, UDA) Yes.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. In fact, the Chair of the Budget and Appropriations Committee has already made the point I wanted to make regarding what the Member for Nyando was saying. There is nothing untoward we are doing in rejecting all these amendments. The...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support the Public Debt and Privatization Committee’s Report. I particularly thank the Chair, Hon. Shurie, and his able Vice-Chair, Hon. Makali Mulu, who when I last passed through “Kitui City,” I heard he is a prospective Governor...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, there is a point of order. I truly hope that the person seeking the point of order can indicate the Standing Order she is rising on. (Laughter)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I did not know Hon. Dorice Donya is a journalist. She knows that I have tremendous respect for journalists, but I meant that particular radio presenter is financially illiterate. It is a fact. I know him because he is from...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) No, it is on. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Probably it is time the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) considered an upgrade of this system. That is why it keeps going off. Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I beg to lay the following Papers on the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, this is the usual Thursday Statement. Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (a) , I rise to give the following Statement on behalf of the House Business Committee (HBC) which met on Tuesday, 14th November 2023...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. First, without exception, allow me to thank all the Members who have contributed. Particularly, I note the very vehement support this Bill has from many Members. That tells you that all Members are intent on being in the forefront of...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to second. As indicated by the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, this is to allow us to consider the Committee of Supply. As I had indicated earlier, the Committee of Supply is the Committee of the whole House during...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Sharing of resources is always very emotional. You must understand it. We are all here 16th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 72 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)representing constituencies which have unique needs. We all deserve national resources like everyone else.That...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance. I also thank my younger brother, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, the Vice-Chairperson, Hon. Mary Emaase who is here, and all the Members of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, with...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is good that you have protected me from the Member for Dagoretti South as I beg to second. This afternoon, the Member for Kirinyaga, Hon. Njeri, said that there are decorated secondary schools that purport to be universities. (Several Members spoke...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 24 (6) , the thanks of this House be recorded for the exposition of public policy contained in the Address of His Excellency the President delivered in Parliament...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I have noted the amber light Hon. Speaker and that is why I am saying I can speak until the cows come home. However, I cannot 14th November 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15 Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA)overemphasise the need for all of us to...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I came running from the office. So, if I pant, it is because I came running. You know I am a stickler to the rules and procedures of the House. I was listening as Hon. Ken Chonga made his contribution....

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Deputy Speaker, if Hon. Chonga does not withdraw the remark and apologise, I request that you invoke Standing Orders 107 and 108, and find him to be grossly disorderly. I will be moving to name him because we must restore the dignity of this...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I appreciate the responses given by the Chair of our Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture, Hon. Daniel Wanyama. This is a case study of why Cabinet Secretaries (CSs) should be the ones to answer Questions. (Applause)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: (Loud consultations)

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) I was made to understand that Hon. Naomi Waqo will move on behalf of the Chairperson and Hon. Caroli will second because they are both Members of that committee.

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Speaker. We canvassed this matter in the House Business Committee (HBC) . This morning, it was an agenda in our Parliamentary Group meeting, on the commitment of our Chairpersons and Vice-Chairpersons. As you have rightly said, if the Chairperson is not there,...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Motion on the inspection of various one-stop border posts in the Northern Corridor in the East African region. Let me first commend the Chairlady, Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, and Members of the Select Committee on Regional...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Let me begin by thanking the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party and the Deputy Leader of the Minority Party for moving and seconding this Bill on my behalf and the Leader of the Minority Party respectively. As stated, the...

Hon. Kimani Ichung'wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Under the NG-CDF Act of 2015, we had an Oversight Committee where a Member of Parliament could be a member or designate members of the public to sit in that committee. It will now not be possible for a Member of Parliament to sit in...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me begin by thanking all the Members who have contributed. As I sat in the office listening to the contributions, I could tell many of the Members are eager to have this Bill enacted to become an Act of...

Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) Hon. Temporary Speaker, I could raise the issue that Hon. Baya wanted to raise. It is nothing out of order. It is only that the Mover of the Motion that follows this one left earlier. Therefore, we request that you stand down the next Order....