Veronica Waheti Nduati

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance. Allow me to comment on Sen. Lemaletian's Statement on the environment. We should take responsibility as Kenyans to ensure we live in a clean environment. It is disheartening to see that our surroundings are not well kept. There is dumping...

Please, be guided and comment accordingly.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute. I want to contribute to the Statement sought by my brother here, the Senator for Turkana County, and this is on the Rural Electrification and Renewable Energy Cooperation (REREC) . He has sought a Statement asking REREC to activate rural...

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I want to support the Statement by Sen. Orwoba about health issues, especially in our hospitals in the County of Nairobi, not forgetting my home County, which is Kiambu County. Madam Temporary Speaker, health is the most basic yet fundamental and important thing...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I support the Statement by Sen. Cherarkey. As we supply subsidized fertilizer to farmers, we should also remember that there are areas of northern part of Kenya, which also need animal feeds. The animal feeds help to improve the Gross Domestic Product (GDP) of the...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I wanted to inform the Senator for Turkana that the Government--- The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) : Does he want to be informed? Senator for Turkana County, do you wish to be informed by Sen. Mandago? Okay. He has allowed you.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Faki, proceed. Does he want to be informed? Senator for Turkana County, do you wish to be informed by Sen. Mandago? Okay. He has allowed you.

Sen. Orwoba, proceed.

I come from Bobasi Constituency in Kisii County. It is a vast constituency with eight wards. We have Kenyans from as far as Nyacheki Ward who do not have the capacity to access the Huduma Centre on the other side of town.It would be imperative that we are informed, if...

They must explain to us whether they actually understood the scope of the farmers they need to supply to. They ought to know the number of farmers who were targeted by this shipment. If we cannot know the number of farmers, then, at least, the regions, they were certain that...

Sen. Murgor, you may have the Floor.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that, the Senate- Adopts the Report of the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget on the 2024 Medium Term Debt Management Strategy, laid on the Table of the Senate on Thursday, 7th March, 2024. The 2024 Medium Term Debt Management Strategy (MTDS) was...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I was going through the very glossy Kenya Kwanza Coalition 2022 manifesto. One of the striking things that one gets from the very initial pages of that manifesto is the Kenya Kwanza Political Coalition at that particular moment in time had properly diagnosed the problem...

What is your point of order, Sen. Orwoba?

There was controversy at that particular point in time as to how much money had been lost or alleged to be lost at that particular project. The recommendation from ICPAC that I am reading from the report was that we should get regular reports from the Government itself, including details...

The drafters of Article 211 of the Constitution knew that the Government would borrow to sustain its operations and development. However, we must be disciplined. Corruption is the biggest soft underbelly in this country that is choking both national and county governments. This country would be far if we fought...

Hon. Senator, that language may not be known. Please use the English version of that word.

The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda): Yes. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru): I put it to you that you are the one who did this to try and choreograph your story.The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda): I am not the one. The Counsel for...

Madam Temporary Speaker, it is the same plea. Listening to the counsel for the Assembly, they are not asking to spend more time than they have. They are just asking to spend their time differently. I heard another witness here say it is the way he manages his finances. So,...

Now that the issue is the same, I will allow one more intervention from Sen. Wambua and then I will make a ruling on it.

In view of the mood in the House and the fact that you will just take your minutes from another witness, I want you now to make a proposition on how many minutes you want to take from your other witnesses, and then we allocate you that to finalize. The...

Before you proceed on, Sen. Methu, and in under half a minute.

Counsel, your time is now up. The Deputy Governor of Kisii County (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : Madam Temporary Speaker--- The Deputy Governor (

Counsel, your time is now up. The Deputy Governor of Kisii County (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : Madam Temporary Speaker--- Please, give your final answer on that. The Deputy Governor of Kisii County (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : Madam Temporary Speaker, the date this statement is being made is the...

What is the connection in the typing for Lucy of GWASCO and Gladys Aming’á? You have to type for the name to pop up. In the keyboard of your phone, what is the alphabetical ordering of either of those names? The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : When you...

Sen. Wambua, it should be the last question.

The issue of children.

Give quick short answers. Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I will be precise with an eye of a military marksman. One, Mr. Deputy Governor, can you table your evidence? Can you table your phone as part of the evidence now, so that we can crosscheck those numbers that you are...

Proceed, witness. The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I have indicated that Lucy called me on the morning of May 29th. That is the time there was this conversation on the erroneous sending of money, and she was on transit. I called her later when...

Madam Temporary Speaker, with all due respect, allow me to ask my question. Those who asked questions in the previous session are the same people asking questions. Please, tell me why I am here. If we should have them ask questions, then we can watch like others at home. Sen....

So, have the other Senators.

But you did not confirm to whom it went? Is that what you are telling us? The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : I did not read the name to get to know who I was sending the money to. That is what I am saying.

Sen. Mbugua, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Faki, proceed.

the money sent back, I have succeeded to get the money back. This happens all the time. I think my considered opinion is that it is for that reason that the Safaricom decided to have the two reversals and even sending back.On the first question, the hon. Senator asked me...

Sen. Onyonka, you may have the Floor.

What is your point of Order? Before you do the points of order, I want us to take a direction as a House, whether we add three slots. Both Majority and Minority Leaders are here. Sen. Methu, please, proceed, followed by Sen. Osotsi. Sen. Osotsi, in the meantime, raise your...

Hon. Senators, we have now finished the slots that we had allocated, but I have about 17 requests for Senators who need clarifications. We have to take a direction because we have five witnesses who still have to give evidence, be cross-examined and re-examined

What is your point of Order? Before you do the points of order, I want us to take a direction as a House, whether we add three slots. Both Majority and Minority Leaders are here. Sen. Methu, please, proceed, followed by Sen. Osotsi. Sen. Osotsi, in the meantime, raise your...

I had directed that the phone on the page, which has been downloaded and attached to the documentation, be presented to the Clerk and Senator Cherarkey, who had raised that issue, was to be there to see that page. He is not in the House, so I am holding it....

Sen. Hamida, proceed on a point of order only, then I give a direction. We take consensus.

Twenty minutes for each side would be too much. Hon. Senators, we either take a few more or proceed on with the witnesses and give priority to the Senators who have not had their issues addressed. Sen. Mohammed, please, proceed.

That is definitely the concern here.

Thank you, Sen. Mohammed. I will take one more point of order, then I give a direction. Sen. Roba, please proceed.

Hon. Senators, in view of the time constraints, but noting that this is a key witness and the impeachment is on the Deputy Governor, I will give an opportunity to three Senators on this side, three Senators on the Majority side, a total of six Senators, and each should take...

Hon. Senators, I want to request and guide that even your questions be precise. Do not give narrations or two paragraphs of a background. Just ask a specific question and the witness is duly guided to give specific precise answers to the questions that are asked. If it is a...

What is your question, Sen. Boni? It is over. It is one minute.

Witness. The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : Madam Temporary Speaker, to answer these questions from my friend, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Mr. Misati has stood--- What is your point of order, Sen. Wafula? Use the Dispatch Box.

Following the point of order, let me give direction. The witness can concentrate on the question that was posed in the last sentence, that whether he should be believed or the other witnesses should be believed. Just that question. The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : Madam Temporary Speaker,...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Mine is just a quick one. You said the Kshs100,000 you were sending to Ms. Gladys were for services rendered to you on transport. Have you brought any evidence to show such as an invoice or a demand notice either on phone or written to...

Proceed. The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : Madam Temporary Speaker, this matter has been speeded up very quickly by--- I will call it my Chief Executive Officer (CEO) . He is part and parcel of this impeachment movement. That is because they want to get rid of me...

was Kshs3,000 per student. What sense would it make for a parent to bribe a Deputy Governor with Kshs12,000 or Kshs20,000 to get Kshs3,000? Does it economic sense? Does it look like something is happening?Madam Temporary Speaker, the clips played here were all choreographed to simply implicate me. Where they...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I want to put it to the Deputy Governor that his friend, Joseph Misati, said that he is financially struggling. In that case, could this be the reason the Deputy Governor is soliciting money in order to assist in the job placement of Misati’s son,...

20 minutes? The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) : However, my colleagues have seven minutes in cross-examination. They gave up their seven minutes. Proceed, Sen. Munyi Mundigi.

Proceed. The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda) : Madam Temporary Speaker, this matter has been speeded up very quickly by--- I will call it my Chief Executive Officer (CEO) . He is part and parcel of this impeachment movement. That is because they want to get rid of me...

I want to guide you once again to keep to the question and give short and precise answers. So, rest it there. Sen. Tobiko will ask the final question then we will move to the next witness.

Thank you, Senators. Unfortunately, we have to move on because we have five other witnesses who have not given evidence. Senators who have not found time now, you will get an opportunity. The Hon. Deputy Governor’s team, whom are you calling next? The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa...

Sen. Methu, do you have any intervention or questions? Madam Temporary Speaker, I just need clarification from the witness. From your evidence this afternoon, you say to the best of your knowledge the photos were being taken by the MCAs because there are always consequences if they do not vote...

Mheshimiwa, we sit here so that you assist us with information that will help us make a determination that is fair and just. On the four counts that the Deputy Governor of Kisii County is facing, I have listened to your testimony, but I have not heard you respond to...

Sen. Kisang, proceed. Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. The witness before us should focus on giving us evidence that will assist the Deputy Governor to be saved or not, instead on focusing on the fight between the Deputy Governor and Governor. It will not help in any way. That is...

Sen. Methu, did she talk of salaries or allowances?

Proceed, Sen. Omogeni.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am confident of what the County Assembly does. I have reservations about decisions and a few things that are not done procedurally. I raised them then and I am still raising them now.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am a MCA and in my capacity as a resident of Kisii County.

Sen. Methu, what is your point or order? Sen. Chute resume your seat.

Sen. Sifuna, you just pressed your button. This should be the final submission.

Sen. Chute, proceed. This should be the final intervention.

The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen): Madam Temporary Speaker, I request for your audience for a moment. I had an assistant who was assisting the witness navigate around the documents, but he was bereaved.The person who was replacing him and assisting is outside, and I am told...

Madam Temporary Speaker, my name is Obare Thomas---

Just hold on. Sen. Omogeni, what is your point of order?

On a point of Order, Madam Temporary Speaker. Counsel, I gave guidance on the cross-examination. Stick by that guidance because two witnesses have been dropped from the list of witnesses, we rescued some time. In line with Article 50, it is to allow a level of cross-examination to be clear...

I will be very brief. I really have a lot of respect for senior counsel, Mr. Katwa Kigen. However, he should also be honest with the House. Madam Temporary Speaker, you have been referred to certain paragraphs by Senior Counsel, Sen. Okongo Omogeni. I want to refer you to paragraph...

On which page is that on the document?

Counsel, you have listened to the feel in the House, which may not be a misplaced observation because it is in order for Senators who are sitting as arbiters to listen through the evidence, sift that evidence and find its relevance towards the claims that are laid against the Deputy...

Counsel, I have not restricted you. If you view that it is relevant to the charges before the House, I have allowed you to proceed. You are now using your time wrongly because you should already be giving the evidence that the witness has. I have only guided that you...

What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna? That is the final one and then I will give a direction.

I confirm. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Wilkins Ochoki) : Are you a resident of Kisii County? (Loud Consultations) Senators, let him finish. Sen. Orwoba, I have given direction. Can you maintain silence as the counsel is addressing us? The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Wilkins Ochoki)...

How long are the videos? The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Wilkins Ochoki) : They are five minutes but there are a number of them. There is a final one which is around 50 seconds. Those are the last ones that we will play and we will rest our...

Counsel, you have five minutes to finish.

Proceed. Madam Temporary Speaker, the Deputy Governor responded to his case. Yes. That question would have been responded to by a different person. Yes, Sen. Kisang.

Sen. Kisang, let him respond.

He is not on his feet anymore. How will you inform him? Okay. Allow me to ask--- We have already closed on that and moved on. Sen. Mandago, you are a ranking Member of this House.

The MCA who was the Chairperson of Health Committee at the County Assembly of Kisii was dewhipped for accompanying the Committee on Health.

How long are you going to take? The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : We need about 20 minutes.

Make it 10 minutes because there is still a long procedure before we finalise. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Okay. Sen. Mandago, you have not pressed an intervention button and that is why I am not giving you the space.

Absolutely correct. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Do you recall that there were objections at the start of these proceedings and the Speaker made a ruling?

That is correct. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Another thing was that it was a matter of fact, which would be determined after hearing the evidence? I agree. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Is that an issue that is relevant...

I am making a contention that this Motion was single- handedly sponsored by the Governor himself. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : What are you saying at paragraph (a) ? I am saying that during public participation, despite the fact that there was no money coming...

Thank you. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Madam Temporary Speaker, can I re-examine? The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) : I will give you one minute for just one question. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Could you explain the relevance...

Thank you. To the question of whether it is related to the case, I said it relates to the extent that the Deputy Governor has been asking about it several times and it is probably the reason he is in this House. The second question is what I have been...

Proceed, Sen. Joe Nyutu. Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I have two questions for the witness. They are from his affidavit and I refer to paragraph nine where the witness testifies that this impeachment Motion was sponsored by the Governor because of the nuisance that the Deputy Governor has been...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. My desire to ask the question was with regard to the prior witness. However, noting that the letter I had desired to get clarification was signed by the witness who is on the stand right now. I believe you would. This is with regard to...

Proceed, Sen. Beth Syengo.

Proceed, Sen. Joe Nyutu.

Proceed, Sen. Omogeni, then the final one will be Sen. Wakili Segei. We will close down on this session thereafter.

reversing that money. Is that equivalent to the defense that was given by that gentleman who forced himself on that girl?Two days after that, money was erroneously sent, and the Deputy Governor has not visited any Safaricom shop. He has not even talked to his aide because he is entitled...

So that brings us to the end of the Deputy Governor's case, his defense to the impeachment proceedings. So, we are proceeding on to the closing remarks. I need the counsel to indicate the maximum time you can take in the closing remarks is one hour. The Standing Orders provide...

You may proceed. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) : Madam Temporary Speaker and the Plenary, for the record, I am Kelvin Michuki. Ms. Wahito, I will ask you two questions in relation to the recruitment exercise in question. From your evidence, what role did you undertake...

Thank you, Counsel. Do we have any re-examination? Counsel, how many minutes do you need? The Counsel for the County Assembly (Ms. Anna Munyoki) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I will need 10 minutes. A statement at EACC. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Madam Temporary Speaker,...

Counsel, that objection is

Sen. Betty Montet, please proceed. list of about 12 Senators who are interested in interventions. I will try and balance both sides, but we could do fewer than the 13.Senator Seki, please proceed.

Sen. Betty Montet, please proceed.

Sen. Crystal Asige.

Sen. Crystal Asige.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I have known His Excellency, Dr. Robert Monda, from the time they got into office. That is from August 2022. Relation in the workplace has been a positive one because he is a stakeholder since county governments are shareholders. We have had good relations with the county...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I have two quick questions. Madam Lucy, did you have any other cash transactions before you received M- pesa from his account? Secondly, when you called him on 29th about the money you received on 28th, did he tell you explicitly that the money was meant to...

Sorry, Madam Temporary Speaker, maybe I did not get that.

First question?

Did you answer the first question?

Repeat it for her.

Senator Murgor, do you still want to raise any questions?

Hon. Senators, we still have a list. I want to give an opportunity to Sen. Sifuna, but I request that if a question has already been answered, we do not repeat it because most likely you get the same answer. Sen. Sifuna?

Proceed. Madam Temporary Speaker, yes, I want to say that in the year 2021, the company had serious governance issues, and we were summoned to the Senate. We have been summoned twice. Through the support of this Senate and the recommendations that he has been able to make, the company...

Sen. Osotsi, you may proceed, but do not repeat the questions, please.

Counsel proceed. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. If you look at page 117B of the governor’s bundle, the error was not so much in terms of the number that was picked, but more of the names as saved by the...

Ms. Lucy can you tackle that quickly?

Proceed Sen. Omogeni

Counsel proceed. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. If you look at page 117B of the governor’s bundle, the error was not so much in terms of the number that was picked, but more of the names as saved by the...

The question is directed to the Counsel. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : Madam Temporary Speaker, on page 117B we have shown how he had saved the names in a serial order of CO-Gladys and CO-Lucy. The names of Lucy and Gladys are next to each...

Senators, I believe it is okay. That number is already in the documents. Counsel, I believe it may not be necessary to supply it. They have their bundles, so they can read through the evidence. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Exactly, on Page

Okay, proceed. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : She goes by the name Karen Magara.

I believe this is all for this witness. Counsel for the County Assembly, do you wish to call another witness, or have you dropped them? The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker. Also, permit me to supply the number of the witness who...

Which page? The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Wilkins Ochoki) : Page 22. Yes.

Counsel Kigen, please, proceed. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : My colleague, Mr. Ochoki, will do the cross-examination. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Wilkins Ochoki) : Thank you, for the opportunity, Madam Temporary Speaker. Hon. Karen, I would like to clarify a few things...

Madam Temporary Speaker, somebody has signed. There is a ‘received’ and a signature. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : So somebody has signed that they have received the Report? Counsel Katwa Kigen, you are winding down your five minutes.The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa...

Counsel Kigen, that should be your final question. Wind up on that question. Let her answer you. Time is up. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : I just have one more question after this one, Madam Temporary Speaker. There is no reference to a video. True?

Yes. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Mwangi Ndegwa) : Was the public participation for the Motion on impeachment presented before the Assembly?

I see two requests. Sen. Chute, have you requested to speak?

That is the end of this witness’s evidence. We can now proceed to the next. How many more witnesses do you have? I believe it is one. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Elias Mutuma) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. We wish to announce that we have our...

On the land question, maybe a different person will be better placed to answer it.

Senator, that could be directed to a different person such as the counsel. Counsel, kindly respond to the second question as opposed to the witness responding to it. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I will draw the attention of the...

He is here? Who is this now? Is this Mr. Robert Monda? The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Madam Temporary Speaker, this is Mr. Reuben Monda. Okay, we can proceed with Reuben Monda. He could take a seat if he is not able to stand. (Mr....

Sen. Omogeni, I heard him very well and I understood.

Yes. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Do you understand what brings you this evening before the Senate? I understand what brings me before the Senate. I have come here to seek justice for myself. I have come here because of the harassment and mistreatment that...

Technical team, can you run that? (A video clip was played) The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : We can begin there. What is happening in that particular photo?

Madam Temporary Speaker, the rest collected 61 pieces of timber from the shamba to a waiting lorry on the road, and they are the ones who offloaded the vehicle, which was carrying the timber when we arrived at Keumbu. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Who...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I came because of the harassment, abuse of office and misuse of power against me by my own brother. That is why I came here. I want to get justice. The justice that I want is for my brother to be removed from office, so that he...

Madam Temporary Speaker, since that time, I fell sick and was brought to Nairobi Hospital, where I stayed for three weeks and spent a lot of money. I am now on injections. Right now, I have done three injections and I have 41/2. I have many drugs to take and...

You can have a word with him and explain to him that he will go through cross-examination now. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Mr. Reuben Monda, I am sorry for the ordeal. God will comfort you, but we are on trial and facts must be...

Good evening to you. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) : I will ask you a few questions before we get the interpreter. Your evidence is that since your brother became the Deputy Governor he has changed. Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor...

Thank you, Reuben. Counsel. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki): What previous position has he had? Counsel, how many minutes? 2007 to 2013. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) :...

Mr. Reuben Monda, you will wait until you are asked questions. That is when you respond. Let us have the translator give us the translation of what has happened. The Interpreter (Mr. Duncan Aguga) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. My name is Duncan Aguga, a professional journalist from Kenya...

Sen. Omogeni, I need your comment on that.

Expert witness, just repeat exactly what is said in the video clips without transposing your understanding. Do not transpose to your understanding. So, we will play back and get to hear it. Make it shorter so that he is able to capture what needs to be understood. The Counsel for...

As they look for that video, try to phrase the question because we saw the video. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) : The video has been titled Whatsapp@134242.

Counsel, you have to be more specific. Which photo are you referring to? The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) : It is the same photo, the one they had put up. It is okay, we can proceed to the video referred to as RS001. The Counsel for...

Ask that one question and that is it. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) : I am most obliged. Mr. Reuben. Yes. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) : Have you ever supported your brother politically?

Thank you, Counsel. Your time is up. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Kelvin Michuki) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I had sort indulgence with one question because that one was in the middle of being answered. It is a simple question and it is a ‘yes’ or...

In some places, he was not doing well. The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Wilkins Ochoki) : Would you kindly point out the issues that you spoke to? Did you mention something to do with 20 enforcement officers in that video? The 20--- The Counsel for the Deputy Governor...

Thank you, Counsel. Hon. Senators, I have a list of about six Senators who would want to clarify issues. We could make it one minute for each Senator. I propose that we do not exceed two questions per Senator. Are we in concurrence?

Yes.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the witness says that he wants his brother to be impeached and removed from office because he has changed since he was elected. If that wish is granted, do you think when he comes home, he will go back to his senses and become a better brother...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker.

You stated earlier, when you were making your submissions, that the reason you are here is because your brother, the Deputy Governor, misused his office.

After being released after your arrest, did you make a point of making an official complaint against your brother on the issue of misuse of his position? At the same time, when I look at both of you, you are above 60 years.

In the more than 60 years of your brotherhood, have you ever taken each other to court or has any of you caused an arrest of the other in the whole duration that God has kept you?

When you were making your submissions, you said the reason you are here today is because your brother misused his office by using his power. After you were released from the police station, did you file an official complaint of misuse of office by your brother? That is my first...

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Betty Montet.

Counsel? The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Yes, it is true that there is a question of trees involved, which the witness clearly states that if we were to go as the title dictates, then they would belong to their father....

Counsel, if you can answer. Who was the official complainant because we are told that the land belongs to the father? So, on record, who is the official complainant before the police were released to come and ensure there is peace. Is there an official OB that was registered? That...

Proceed, Sen. Olekina. You have one minute and not more than two questions.

Sorry?

I said that the trees belong to our father because my brother and I do not have a title deed. It is not our father who showed us that you will be digging here and there. It is my brother and I who agreed that he would be digging on...

Hon Senators, the session will continue tomorrow. There was direction that the witness will come at 12.00 p.m. When we resume tomorrow morning, we will have evidence by the Deputy Governor. The team from the Deputy Governor's side can prepare for that at 9.00 a.m. when we resume. (Loud consultations)...

Thank you, Reuben. Hon. Senators, we have now come to the conclusion. Counsels for the County Assembly of Kisii, I believe that is your last witness. The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru) : Yes. Madam Temporary Speaker, to the extent that the summons was issued. The directions...

Division will be at the end. Title The Temporary Chairperson ( I invite the Chairperson Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing to move this amendment.

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir for the opportunity to contribute to this very important Bill that has been brought to the Floor of this House. Let me take this opportunity to congratulate the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare, Sen. Murgor, for bringing a genius legislation...

Thank you so much. Hon. Senators. I have a Communication to make. (Interruption of debate on Bill) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM KIANYAGA HIGH SCHOOL, KIRINYAGA COUNTY Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence, in the Public Gallery this afternoon, of visiting students and teachers from...

Thank you, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. I am not sure whether the Kha, Khe here was parliamentary language, but I will let it pass. Sen. Omogeni, please proceed. Sen. Boni, I would like to alert you that you are not “moving”, we are in debate stage. (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale consulted loudly)

Sen. Bonny please withdraw the remarks that you are moving.

Sen. Boni, we will implore on other Senators to become seconders of many Bills, so that your mindset does not always think you are seconding a Bill. Proceed, Sen. Omogeni. What is your clarification, Senator Kinyua?

Sen. Bonny, clarify whether the education today as it is, is still important.

Thank you, Sen. Boni. Sen. Okong’o Omogeni.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Osotsi proceed.

Thank you very much. Hon. Senators, I have a communication to make on visiting students from the Technical University of Kenya (TUK) in Nairobi County. I would like to acknowledge the presence in the public gallery this afternoon, of visiting 11 students from the TUK in Nairobi County. The delegation...

Thank you, Hon. Senator. Proceed, Sen. Peris Tobiko. (Resumption of debate on the Bill)

Thank you, Sen. Peris. Sen. Kajwang’ Moses Otieno, the Senator for Homa Bay County, proceed.

Thank you, Sen. Kajwang’. Since we have no other Senator wishing to contribute to this Motion. Therefore, I will call upon the Mover, Sen. Murgor, to reply.

Thank you, Sen. Murgor. The putting of the Question is deferred to the next Sitting of the Senate. (Putting of Question deferred) I will now reorganize the Order Paper to defer Order Nos.17 to Order No. 25, because the Movers of those Orders are not here. So, they will be...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing---

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for that. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No.52 (1) to make a Statement on a matter of general topical concern, namely; the imperative need to uphold and advance the rights and status of women in Kenya, particularly as we prepare to celebrate the International...

Serjeant-at-Arms, you can draw the Bars and open the Doors. (The Bars were drawn and the Doors opened) Hon. Senators, we are commencing this session. I call upon the Chairperson; the one pushing the Water Amendment Bill 2023, (National Assembly Bills No.33 of 2023) , to report. REPORTS AND CONSIDERATION...

I call upon the Mover to proceed. Senate Majority Leader.

I now call upon the Chairperson to move.

Thank you, Sen. Orwoba. (Question proposed) Division will be at the end. We will now move to the next Bill. The Care and Protection of Child Parents Bill (Senate Bills No. 29 Of 2023) . I call upon the Chairperson to report. THE CARE AND PROTECTION OF CHILD PARENTS BILL...

Thank you Chairperson. I now call upon the Mover.

Who is the seconder?

I now call upon the Mover.

Do we have a seconder?

Hon. Senators, we are now proceeding to Division for the first Bill; the Water (Amendment) Bill and then we proceed to the second Division. Voting will be electronic. Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Bell for one minute. (The Division Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, you may proceed to log out. Those...

I have another communication to make. Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery, we have a visiting delegation from Samburu County that is undertaking an education visit to the Senate. In our usual tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to Parliament, I extend a warm welcome to them. On behalf of...

Thank you, Sen. Olekina, though you extended. I will give one minute each to Sen. Chute and Sen. Kinyua to welcome the delegation.

Sen. Kinyua, one minute only.

Thank you, Sen. Kinyua. Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No. 45 (2) , I will re-organise the Order Paper. Instead of order No.12, we will go to order No.13. Before we do so, I ask the Chairperson of Roads, Transport and Housing Committee to table the Report. Sen. Thangw’a,...

Thank you, Senator. Next Order. THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 75 OF 2023)

Thank you, the Senate Majority Leader. Sen. Thang’wa.

Sen. Tabitha Keroche, what is your problem? Do you have a point of order? You should state it expressly. (Sen. Keroche spoke off the record) Hon. Senator, use the next microphone. (Interruption of debate on Motion) PROCEDURAL MOTION LIMITATION OF DEBATE ON BILL

Who is the Seconder?

Hon. Senators, there is a Motion in the House by Sen. Keroche. I want to propose the question, but we can do it by concurrence. I propose that the debate be limited to 4 minutes. By concurrence every Senator will take 4 minutes. (Question put and agreed to) (Resumption of...

Madam Temporary Speaker, just give me one minute. Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) : Your time is up Senator. We have made a decision. Resume your seat. Sen. Chute, your time is up.

If you look at the Constitution of Kenya, housing is a devolved function. One of our biggest problems in this country is that we want to live in space. It is a beautiful place there. However, I want to beg all of you to try and come back to reality...

Resume your seat, Sen. Wakili Sigei. What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina? COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE BY IMPEACHMENT OF HON. (DR.) ROBERT MONDA, THE DEPUTY GOVERNOR OF KISII COUNTY Can you stop, please? Are you the Speakers?

Resume your seat, Sen. Wakili Sigei. What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina?

(Loud consultations)

Sen. Wakili Sigei, your time is up. The four minutes are gone. The next one is Sen. Abdul Haji.

Good people, let the Senator be heard in silence. Hon. Senators, consult in low tones. Kindly allow him to have the Floor. Sen. Okiya Omtatah, kindly.

Hon. Senators, kindly consult in low tones.

(Laughter)

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this is one of the most important and pertinent rights of every Kenyan under Article 43 (1) (b) of the Constitution. If you ask any Kenyan where they would wish to live, you will discover that many Kenyans are living in places they would not wish...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to support the Motion on cattle rustling and banditry. From the onset, I would like to state that banditry and cattle rustling are acts of criminality.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Motion. This Motion seeks to do the following:

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise to add my voice to this timely Motion, given the dire situation of the wanton destruction of properties and loss of lives in Samburu for the past few days. This led to the loss of our beloved Member of County Assembly (MCA) who was killed...

Madam Temporary Speaker, my two colleagues have walked in and one of them is from one of the areas affected by cattle rustling, I pray that we give them a moment to contribute to this very impotant Motion.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to add my voice to those of my colleagues. This situation has been a subject in these corridors of both Houses and in our minds for a long time, in addition to being news here and there. Madam Temporary Speaker,...

When this Motion resumes,

dated 21st December, 2021. Where does the responsibility lie? Why are they dragging the feet when it comes to implementing that Gazette Notice?I commend the Committee on Energy, led by the Senator for Nyeri, Sen. Wamatinga, for writing this Report in simple language. That also goes to other committees in...

I can clarify because it is clear that Sen. Cherarkey did not pay attention to what I was submitting and debating. I would urge him to be concentrating while in the Senate, because I said that contracts should be subjected to the courts and jurisdictions within which were stipulated within...

Thank you, Senator. I have been informed that my colleague Speaker had given two Senators on the Majority Side a chance to speak. Proceed, Sen. Kavindu Muthama.

Clerk, can you confirm if there is quorum? (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)

Clerk, can you confirm if there is quorum? (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) Sen. Tobiko, you can have your phone call outside the Senate. (Quorum Bell ringing) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, having failed to attain quorum at the expiry of 10 minutes, the Senate stands adjourned pursuant to Standing Order No.41 (2)...