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governance issues. Any healthy society or community that works well must have a mechanism of resolving disputes on a daily basis. That includes the marriage institution.I join my colleagues in congratulating the teams that burnt the midnight oil to ensure that we have a report of the dialogue team that...

It was thought wise that our country needed a discussion or dialogue. We needed to talk with each other and not at each other. It was because of that that it was decided that both sides of the divide sit down, discuss and come to some agreement even if it...

Your time is over, Senator. Sen. Cherarkey, you may have the Floor.

Thank you, Madam Speaker, I beg to continue submitting. You remember I was supposed to appear before the NADCO, but because of their lack of wisdom, they did not find it appropriate for me to appear. I thought they had the wisdom because they have fallen short of many reservations,...

What is your point of order, Sen. Wambua?

What is your point of order, Sen. Wambua?

I am well guided, Madam Temporary Speaker. Finally, and on corruption, our counties are choking with it. We must agree that the issue of governance-- - (Loud consultations) Madam Temporary Speaker, it means that “we” people of goodwill except Hon. Uhuru Kenyatta. To conclude on the issue of corruption--- Madam...

Senators, let us have order.

Sen. Cherarkey and Senators, let us have order.

Sen. Cherarkey, can you substantiate the who “we” are?

As the Chair, I am the one who has directed now that you give that substantiation before you resume your seat.

I have not allowed you. I am one on the Chair. Can you try and substantiate now? You do not need tomorrow.

Then withdraw that comment.

Resume your seat, Senator. I have asked him to resume his seat. He has given “we” as him and the people of Nandi. (Laughter)

Sen. Madzayo, you are out of order. I said resume your seat. (Sen. Madzayo’s microphone went off) Sen. Madzayo, I rule you to be out of order. You are now to exit from the rest of the session today. You must be able to listen to the Speaker and be...

Sen. Madzayo, resume your seat. You are out of order. The Senate Minority Leader (

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I want to inform my big brother, Sen. Onyonka, that he has taken the best line any legislator in this country and anywhere can take. However, I must add without fear of contradiction that is only going to happen if the Speakers of both Houses...

Would you like to be informed by Sen. Wambua?

Sen. Wambua, is that a point of order or a point of information?

There was no information offered. It is a direct attack on the Speaker’s seat; it is wrongly done. Proceed and finish, Sen. Onyonka.

Madam Temporary Speaker, in my understanding of Standing Order No.98, when a Member rises and these are the words of the Standing Orders in 98 (3) - “When a Member rises on a point of order, the Chair must make a decision. The Speaker shall either give a decision on...

I do not want us to argue on the same.

Proceed, Sen. Sifuna.

So, you want to know whether ruling was rendered on Sen. Cherarkey?

For purposes of clarity, I will communicate on the process that was followed.

keep that provision in this particular Report. However, all is not lost. We have the power to comprehensively develop a law that will set the standards for impeachment.Recommendation 842 is about resolving electoral disputes. I want to agree that we take that away from the IEBC and allow the parties...

What is your point of order, Sen. Faki?

with diverse opinions try to communicate a point and pass information that must be listened to.I support this Report. However, the two-thirds gender issue and the Ward Fund must be addressed.I want to allay our colleagues' fears. Hon. Raila Odinga is a statesman; you do not need to fear. He...

Thank you, Senator. Proceed, Sen. Ogola.

Thank you, Sen. Ogola. Sen. Korir, proceed.

Sen. Osotsi, please proceed.

Your time is up. Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, please proceed.

Sen. Osotsi, please proceed.

Thank you, Senator. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30

Please wind up.

Hold it, Sen. Lomenen. What is your point of order, Sen. Kinyua?

Sen. Lomenen, which book are you quoting?

Sen. Lomenen, you do not speak with such confidence that when you go for recess, the bandits will be killing the people, unless you have proof to that effect. Sen. Betty Montet, you have a statement. Resume your seat for a minute. Sen. Cherarkey was to welcome the delegates from...

Serjeant-at-Arms, please ring the Quorum Bell for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, there being no quorum and having rung the Bell pursuant to provisions of Standing Order No.42, the Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday 6th December, 2023 at 9:30 a.m. The Senate rose at...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I rise to support the Statement by Sen. Chute on the completion of Bunge Towers. If there is an institution that should set an example of accountability, it should be Parliament. Bunge Towers is a very small project in the Republic...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to discuss the Bill that has been proposed in this House on food and feed safety control coordination. Food Safety for animal and human nutrition is a public health issue and a concern the world over. It is a sensitive issue...

Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Cherarkey, you cannot use a generalized term across the counties to indicate that governors want to steal money the way they stole the COVID-19 funds. Can you withdraw the reference to term ‘stealing’ unless there is evidence that they stole? That is the only time you can use it...

Sen. Olekina, proceed.

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, you may stop the Quorum Bell. I believe we now have quorum. Clerk, call out the first Order. (Sen. Murango and Sen. Abass stood up in their...

I will also allow a few more Senators; two from each side. I want to allow Sen. Sifuna, the Secretary General of ODM party, to offer his condolences.

Sen. Mungatana, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Mumma, proceed.

Sen. Okenyuri, proceed.

Sen. Osotsi, kindly proceed.

Sen. Wafula, proceed. We will then wind that session with Sen. Crystal Asige.

Sen. Crystal Asige, proceed.

Hon. Senators, I note there are many requests, but allow me to only allow Sen. Madzayo, as the Senate Minority Leader, to give his condolences in one minute then we close. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi hii ili niweze kupeana...

May her rich legacy live on. May her soul rest in peace. Clerk, let us have the next Order. REPORT ON PETITION: DISCRIMINATION AGAINST OTHER HEALTH WORKERS IN THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH

Sen. Murgor, you can speak to that.

Thank you. Sen. Wamatinga, can you step in for the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on the Land, Environment, and Natural Resources and present the reports? REPORT ON PETITION: ILLEGAL DEMOLITION OF HOUSES BY KENYA POWER IN CHOKAA

On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir.

Is the Senator for Nairobi City, Sen. Sifuna, in order to indicate that the default rate is as he is reading? Should he not issue substantiated reports? These are based on facts and we are allowing too many things to pass without demanding for accuracy of the information that is...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. (Loud Consultations)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in my profession as a lawyer, I have never misled anyone. I cannot mislead a Senate. I wanted to explain to the House that the kind of decisions that you need to make at this level are equivalent to the decisions that are being made, not...

Time is up, Sen. Tabitha Keroche. Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Sen. Eddie, you are using your time to make those comments. Be straight to the point.

Your time is up, Sen. Eddie. Sen. Orwoba.

Sen. (Dr) Oburu.

Your time is up. Sen. Abass.

What is your point of information, Sen. Tabitha Keroche.

(Loud consultations)

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, that objection is upheld. It should have proceeded in a different way. Sen. Tabitha Keroche, you should have request for point of information when the Senator was on his feet, not after he has finalised his submissions. Proceed, Sen. Kavindu Muthama.

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

We are done with the comments that were to be given against the Motion that was on the Floor of the House. They were the Petitions, so we now go to the next Order. Clerk. Sen. Tabitha Keroche, you may proceed on behalf of the Senate Majority Leader. PAPERS LAID...

(Laughter)

You cannot use ‘Madam Temporary Speaker’ and ‘Sir’ in the same sentence.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I apologise for that. However, Sen. Oketch Gicheru, these days seems to be a terrorist in this House.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I withdraw.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I have a problem with the gadgets in this House because it is letting us down. If you press a button, you will wait here and keep coming to this Senate, yet you will not get the opportunity to contribute to any business of the House. The...

What is your point of order, Sen. Mandago.

Clerk’s desk, can you note the technical issues that are appearing in the system on different desks and make sure that they are rectified in order to avoid cutting off Senators who want to contribute to important Motions in this House? Sen. Mandago, the technical team should owe you an...

Thank you. Senator for Bungoma, Sen. Wafula, Statements under Standing Order No. 53 (1) . ONGEZEKO LA VISA VYA MIMBA ZA MAPEMA KWA WANAFUNZI WA SHULE ZA UPILI KATIKA KAUNTI YA BUNGOMA

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale? POSITION OF ‘ADVISOR’ IN THE PUBLIC SERVICE

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I am persuaded to uphold your position that the substantive holder of the Speakers seat is a man. However, I am also obliged to advise that when Statements are being read, it is important for the Senators who are presenting anything before the House to always note...

I am reading a very serious statement. The last point was, in the Statement, the Committee should -

Hon. Members, can you consult in lower tones. The hon. Senator should be heard with a bit of regard to what he is presenting before the House.

Thank you, Senator. Senator for Marsabit County, Sen. Chute proceed. UPGRADE TO BITUMEN STANDARD OF THE ODDA-BUTE-DANABA ROAD IN WAJIR AND MARSABIT COUNTIES

Thank you, Senator. The next Statements are by the Chairperson Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing. I do not see Sen. Thang’wa. These Statements are deferred to the next Session; next week on Tuesday. RETESTING OF PUBLIC SERVICE AND COMMERCIAL VEHICLE DRIVERS CONSTRUCTION OF THE LINK ROAD BETWEEN LAKE...

Thank you, Senator. Hon. Senators, we have the Statements that have been presented before the Floor of the House. I will allow each Senator two minutes to comment on those Statements, then we move on to the next Order. Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Your time is up. Sen. Wakili Sigei, you may have the Floor.

Your time is up. Sen. Wakili Sigei, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Tabitha Keroche, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Tabitha Keroche, you may have the Floor.

What is your point of order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru?

Address the House through the Chair.

Madam Temporary Speaker, not only is the Senator for Nakuru discussing an individual without a substantive Motion in this House, but also trivialising the visit of a very serious guest in this country, the King. When you have an opportunity to discuss substantive issues, can you talk about the agenda...

Finish, Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, conclude your point of order.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, I overrule your point of order on the basis that, Sen. Tabitha Keroche has not prejudicially mentioned the Leader of Opposition. I will allow Sen. Tabitha Keroche to continue with her--- What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey?

It is now very clear---

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, I directed that Sen. Tabitha Keroche---

Sen. Tabitha Keroche, can you pause? (Sen. Oketch Gicheru consulted loudly) Sen. Oketch Gicheru, I directed Sen. Tabitha Keroche to proceed uninterrupted, so as to finish her submission. (Sen. Oketch Gicheru consulted loudly) Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you are getting out of order. Can Sen. Tabitha proceed and finish?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, did you give the gold from Malinya for free? Next Order.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, did you give the gold from Malinya for free? Next Order. THE NATIONAL RATING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 55 OF 2022) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE APPLICATION OF THE CONFERMENT OF CITY STATUS TO THE MUNICIPALITY OF ELDORET I will now call upon the...

The division is deferred under Standing Order No. 66 (3) and will be done during the next session of Senate, that is next week on Tuesday. (Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred) We are also going to re arrange the Order Paper to enable us conduct the business...

Proceed, Sen. Tobiko.

Hon. Senators, I will propose the question before we proceed to listen to the contributions from other Senators. (Question proposed) I will now invite the Senators to contribute to this debate. Sen. Wakili Sigei, you may proceed to make your contribution.

Sen. Orwoba, proceed. Sen. Orwoba, I apologise, a Senator from the opposite side should contribute. Let us have Sen. Crystal Asige

Hon. Senators, before the Bill is seconded, I would direct that I reorganise the Order Paper to allow Sen. Mungatana, the Chair of the Ad Hoc Committee on Shakahola, to lay the Report. (Interruption of debate on Bill) PAPER LAID REPORT OF THE AD HOC COMMITTEE ON PROLIFERATION OF RELIGIOUS...

Sen. Orwoba, please, proceed. (Resumption of debate on Bill)

Hon. Senators, I invite the Senators who are interested to contribute to this Bill. I call upon Sen. Nyamu.

Withdraw, Sen. Nyamu.

Sen. Mungatana, MGH.

Sen. Mungatana, there was a notice you had requested to move based on the timeframe, on the Report that you have presented on the proliferation of religious organizations and circumstances leading to more than 95 deaths in Shakahola, Kilifi. Are you ready to move it? I direct the Clerk to...

We shall now resume debate on the Care and Protection of Child Parents Bill (Senate Bills No.29 of 2023) Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you were the next before I interrupted the debate. (Resumption of debate on Bill)

Is your equipment working?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, do you wish to be informed by Sen. Miraj? Resume your seat, Sen. Miraj.

What is your point of order, Sen. Orwoba?

Sen. Orwoba, resume your seat. I gave a direction before in this House, as the Chair, that a Senator has the freedom and is open to debate whatever he wishes to debate whatever he or she wishes without interference with the flow of thought. Sen. Orwoba can you heed to...

What is your point of order, Sen. Kibwana?

Hon. Senators the House does not have quorum. I ask the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) (Several Senators walked out of the Chamber) Why are the Senators present leaving the House? Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the quorum bell for another five minutes (The...