Veronica Waheti Nduati

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have two Statements and the first one is an allegation of politically instigated harassment of employees in counties. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise, pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move- THAT, pursuant to Standing Order No. 37, the Senate do adjourn to discuss the definite matter of urgent national importance, namely, demolition of houses and properties in Mavoko, Machakos County. In line with Article 43 of the Constitution, shelter is a basic need....

Sen. Sifuna, please proceed.

What is your point of order? I have not even proposed the Question. (Question proposed) What is your point of order?

Hon. Senators, the Standing Order only gives five minutes for each contributor to this debate. So, each Senator will have five minutes to contribute to the current Motion. Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Hon. Senator, your time is up. Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Hon. Senator, your time is up. Proceed, Sen. Maanzo.

Your time up, hon. Senator. Proceed, Sen. Thang’wa.

What is your point of order, Sen. Sifuna?

What is your point of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Let him finish, Sen. Sifuna

Let him finish. Sen. Mumma, allow Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to finish.

Which document are you reading? Can you give us the title of that document?

No, do not read. If it is public knowledge, we have heard your line of argument. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, kindly resume your seat. Sen. Thang’wa, would you want to add more information as to what you suggested on people you mentioned from other political parties? What is your point of...

Clarification is noted Senator.

Sen. Mumma, your point of order should come when there is someone on the Floor. Allow Sen. Osotsi to begin and then proceed to follow the provisions of the Standing Orders. Sen. Mumma, your point of order should come when there is someone on the Floor. Allow Sen. Osotsi to...

Sen. Mumma, I have given a direction on that matter. The issue that was raised by Sen. Sifuna was about the political party. There was no other issue raised unless the HANSARD would bear a different record. I request Sen. Osotsi to proceed.

What is your point of clarification, Sen. Kavindu Muthama?

Sen. Kavindu Muthama, I have given a direction on that matter. Sen. Thangw’a was responding to the issue of the political party. I gave a guidance that his response was on the political party aspect. Sen. Osotsi, please proceed.

Sen. Orwoba, proceed.

What is your point of order, Senator? Resume your seat, Sen. Orwoba. Proceed Sen. Mumma

Sen. Orwoba, who is protecting fraudsters?

Sen. Orwoba, do you wish to be informed by Sen. Kavindu Muthama?

Sen. Kavindu Muthama, she does not wish to be informed.

Sen. Mumma, proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey?

Sen. Cherarkey, let me give a direction on that matter. (Sen. Osotsi spoke off record) Hold your horses, Sen. Osotsi. I have given a direction in this House that the style and the manner in which a Senator chooses to debate their points cannot be the discretion of the other...

Sen. Osotsi, you cannot raise a point of order when there is no Senator on his feet. You know the rules. Sen. Mumma, please proceed.

Hon. Senators, pursuant to Standing Order No. 34 (2) (a) , I will add an extra ten minutes so that the few Senators who are waiting to debate may most likely have a chance to debate.

Your time is up, Senator. Hon. Senators, if you can avoid the point of orders for a few minutes, then a few more would debate.

Sen. Cherarkey, he is within his right to request. Resume your sit Sen. Osotsi.

You know you cannot finish like that Sen. Cherarkey. I am the one in charge of the House.

We proceed on with debate. I ask Sen. Miraj. We proceed on with debate. I ask Sen. Miraj.

Hon. Senators, we have 18 seconds. Sen. Kavindu Muthama.

Thank you Senator. ADJOURNMENT

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker for allowing me to add my voice to this debate. This is not my own voice, but of those I represent. I am here to amplify it. We are all aware of the data breaches and security risks in the ICT and tech world. We...

Thank you, very much Madam Temporary Speaker. Also, there is a report that shows that 98.1 per cent of the one million top digital platforms across the world are not accessible to all its users. How are we to address this 98.1 per cent deficiency in this Bill? Madam Temporary...

Sen. Kisang, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Sifuna, you have the Floor.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to thank all colleagues who have taken their time to contribute to this Bill. I have listened to their comments, many of them in support, as it is the nature of law-making. I once heard a seasoned legislator before I joined Parliament say that just...

That is in order. Next Order. THE SOCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 58 OF 2023) Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Social Health Insurance Bill (National Assembly Bills No. 58 of 2023) be now read a Second Time. This Bill was published on 11th...

Thank you, Senator. Proceed, Sen. Mandago.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to raise a point of order under Standing Order No.113 to limit debate on this Bill to a maximum of five minutes per Member. Sen. Cherarkey will second me.

Each Senator will not go beyond five minutes. Sen. Cherarkey? Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Mine is to support the Social Health Insurance Fund Bill (National Assembly Bills No. 58 of 2023) . This Bill is one of the enablers of UHC which includes the discussion we have just had....

Hon. Senators, I have Communication from the Chair. (Interruption of debate on Bill) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MELELO PRIMARY SCHOOL, NAROK COUNTY

Madam Temporary Speaker, allow me to begin with some things that have been said on this Floor, first, by my colleague Sen. Cherarkey. On the First Schedule of this Bill, I shall read it word by word so that nobody accuses me of bringing in things that are not here,...

Madam Temporary Speaker, protect me from Sen. Abass. My point of order is pursuant to Standing Order No. 105. Is it in order for the Senator for Nairobi and my senior brother Sen. Edwin Sifuna to indicate that this is a shareholding country yet it is a sovereign entity. Should...

Madam Temporary Speaker, it is a matter of public record that somebody as senior as the Deputy President of this Republic has said openly that the Government that is running this country is a private company with shareholders. If you do not have shares or they are minimal, you get...

Madam Temporary Speaker, Sen. Sifuna is a practitioner of law. Kenya is not a private shareholding company. You can state those words in public rallies and funerals. This is a House of record and the President said in Siaya County that every Kenyan will be served by Government regardless of...

Madam Temporary Speaker, thank you for giving me the opportunity. The Social Health Insurance is actually an appropriate insurance for Kenyans health cover. This replaces the old National Health Insurance Fund (NHIF) . As you are aware, in the past, NHIF has been giving health covers to this country. There...

Sen. Murgor, you may have the Floor.

Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker for giving me the opportunity to join my colleagues in strongly supporting the Social Health Insurance Bill. Because of time, I will go straight to Part V: The Emergency, Chronic and Critical Illness Fund. When this Bill is passed and assented to, this is going...

Asante Bi. Spika wa Muda kwa kunipa nafasi. Nitasema matatu haraka kwa sababu ya muda. (Loud consultations) Asante Bi. Spika wa Muda kwa kunipa nafasi. Nitasema matatu haraka kwa sababu ya muda. (Loud consultations) Bi. Spika wa Muda, jambo la kwanza, ninaunga mkono kipengele hicho cha kuambia watu wa National...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise Pursuant to Standing Order No.109, that the Mover be called upon to reply.

Madam Temporary Speaker, given that I have now been told --- (Question put and agreed to)

I had initially directed that we defer the Division on Order No.13 and No.14. Before we resume for Division, I request the Clerk to call Order No.15. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.23 OF 2023) The following Senators, please proceed to the Clerk’s desk for assistance...

Clerk, do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Senators, please, take your seats. We now have a quorum. Sen. Dullo, take your seat, please. We now have the numbers and we...

Thank you, Sen. Cherarkey. Before I grant you the point of order, Sen. Cherarkey, it is good you practice before coming to the House. However, you are cautioned against practicing like a night runner lest those issues arise during the day after the night running.

Proceed, Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot.

Thank you, hon. Senators. I will only allow one more. Proceed, Sen. Cheptumo.

Thank you, Sen. Cheptumo. I welcome to the House the Cabinet Secretary for Defence, who is here today on his first appearance to the Senate. Hon. Adan Duale, Karibu Sana. You will be making your presentation in a few minutes after we have had presentations from Senators on the pending...

No, he is not on a point of order but he is contributing. Sen. Dullo, let Sen. Wafula finish his contribution.

Hon. Senators, you will allow us to close this matter after one contribution from Sen. Munyi Mundigi and then I will give directions. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, resume your seat. Sen. Dullo, I had given you a chance and then took it away. Please, take only one minute.

Hon. Senators, we have now closed that matter. I will give directions regarding this matter and we are proceeding on. Firstly, an objection was raised by Sen. Cherarkey to the letter that was addressed to this Parliament. This matter was considered by the Senate Business Committee (SBC) and the weight...

Thank you, Sen. Chute. I will now invite the Cabinet Secretary, Hon. Aden Duale, to come and prosecute this question. We have already received the response you sent to Parliament. We would ask you to just go through it, not word for word. You can give an explanation to all...

Cabinet Secretary, you can respond to that question. (The Cabinet Secretary’s microphone was not working) Technical team and clerk, please assist. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to correct this notion that Mogadishu is safer than Garissa, Lamu and Tana River...

Proceed, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. To respond to the question by the Senator for Nandi County, Kenya has participated in peace keeping missions since time immemorial. It is very sad that at one time, we were country number...

Proceed, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Madam Temporary Speaker, with a lot of respect to my colleague, I refer him to the Ministry of Interior and Coordination of National Government. I am calling him colleague because I found him in this same Chamber when...

Proceed, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Madam Temporary Speaker, we are devolving KDF bases from our historical positions. We now have two sites in West Pokot County and four in Turkana County. We are also in Marsabit and Mandera counties. We are building...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also confirm that I have one of the best Senators. The people of Garissa and I, have full confidence in this Senator who replaced our father and elder who also sat in...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Madam Temporary Speaker, this is not something to hide and so, I will just indicate the figure we give on or before 30 days. An officer serving within our country gets Kshs4 million above his pension which has...

Proceed, the Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Thank you, Senator for West Pokot County. I totally agree with you. I want to inform the House that we have completely destroyed the capability and the infrastructure of Al-Shabaab. Their only weapon of choice is...

Thank you, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. Proceed, Sen. Mandago.

This has been aggregated into six different issues. Cabinet Secretary, kindly proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Duale) : Madam Temporary Speaker, allow me to start with the last one. Sen. Mandago, you need to file a question to ask about the boundary wall. The supposed wall was not...

Cabinet Secretary, proceed The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Duale) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I thought the good Senator for Samburu County would thank the KDF for bringing stability to the six counties of the North Rift, including Samburu. We are in Samburu and the North Rift courtesy of a...

Thank you, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Senators will applaud you for that indulgence on the use of stadium. Sen. Wafula, proceed.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Duale) : Madam Temporary Speaker, that is a good question, but Inspector General, Mr. Koome, and Cabinet Secretary, Hon. Kindiki should be here to answer that question. The Security Council has approved. Parliament has a role in this,...

We have finished Statements under Standing Order No.52 (1) . We are now going to Statements under Standing Order No.53 (1) . Sen. Mbugua, you may proceed. LEASING OF IDLE PUBLIC LAND TO FARMERS

Proceed, Sen. Thangw’a. MITIGATION EFFORTS TO CONTROL OVERFLOW OF KARIMENU II DAM

Proceed, Sen. Cheptumo. OUTSTANDING COMPENSATION CLAIMS FOR DEATHS AND INJURIES FROM SNAKE BITES

Proceed, Sen. Kibwana. ALLEGED ABUSE OF THE ELDERLY IN CARE HOMES

Sen. Cherarkey proceed. BILLS OWED TO KEMSA BY COUNTIES

Next Order. THE E - HEALTH BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 32 OF 2023) THE DIGITAL HEALTH BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 57 OF 2023) THE SOCIAL HEALTH INSURANCE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 58 OF 2023) EXTENSION OF MANDATE OF AD HOC COMMITTEE ON PROLIFERATION OF RELIGIOUS ORGANISATIONS

Senator, it is Standing Order No.62. You may wish to be guided.

Hon. Senators, at this juncture, I would have wished to call Senators to contribute to this Motion. However, I seek your indulgence to skip the contributions. (An hon. Senator spoke off record) I will allow contributions from one Senator from each side of the divide. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Madzayo. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo): Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda. Kwanza, Kamati hii inayochunguza maafa yaliyotokea na miili kupatikana inayopita 95 na Zaidi; hivi sasa idadi ni zaidi ya 500. Tukizingatia kwamba watu walipoteza maisha yao, ingekuwa vyema tupate ripoti nzuri. Ripoti hii inaweza patikana kulingana...

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Wakili Sigei, you will be the last one to contribute to this.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Wakili Sigei, you will be the last one to contribute to this.

Thank you, Senator. That marks the end of the debate on that Motion. I call upon the Chairperson of the ad hoc Committee, Sen. Mungatana, to reply.

Pursuant to Standing Order No. 84 (1) , I hereby make a determination that the matter does not affect counties. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. Sen. Kavindu Muthama, you may have the Floor. EXTENSION OF MANDATE OF AD HOC COMMITTEE ON COMPENSATION OF VICTIMS OF USA EMBASSY 1998...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to second the Motion moved by Sen. Kavindu Muthama. The Committee has been doing a lot of work. We have seen them talking to witnesses and attending the memorial services. There is no doubt in my mind that this Committee has put its best foot...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Chairperson. I propose that --- Sen. Cheptumo not Mungatana. That is okay. The comments and the part that you have dropped is noted.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Chairperson. I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clause immediately after clause 9 – Public participation in the selection of community health promoters. 9A. (1) In conducting the public participation forum under section 9, the county executive committee member...

On a point of Order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Thank you. (Question of the New Clause 22A proposed) (New Clause 22A read the First Time) (Question, that the New Clause 22A be read a Second Time, proposed) (Question, that the New Clause 22A be part of the Bill, proposed) Division at the end. Clause 2 I request Sen. Osotsi...

Proceed, Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Thank you, Sen. Oketch Gicheru. Sen. Osotsi, your concerns about these amendments are addressed by the amendment that was moved by the Chairperson of the Health Committee. In Clause 21, would you consider dropping that amendment in that circumstance?

Madam Temporary Chairperson, for the purposes of regulation and management, it would be important that we separate policy formulation from management of these facilities. The amendment is to split Clause 9, so that it forms Part III of the Bill that is purely dealing with policy issues at the national...

centre in each respective county because that is where the resources information is needed to be utilised.I am passionate about the next proposal which is that since the national Government is holding so much nationally it must be able to provide such resources that are needed to be able to...

Proposal to amend part of that Clause is dropped. Sen. Sifuna and Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I just want to provide some information on that Clause of the Bill. The Committee we are talking about in that Bill is the technical health team of the county. These are just to deal with the technical matters of health like policy and all those things...

I confirm the amendment is the same. Therefore, I drop mine. (Proposed amendment by Sen. Osotsi withdrawn) (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Veronica Maina) : Division will be at the end. Clause 20 (Question, that Clause 20 be part of the Bill, proposed) Division at the...

The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Veronica Maina): Division will be at the end.We are moving to division. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the division bell for five minutes. Please, note that the amendments being carried through are the ones from the Chairperson. (Question of the amendment proposed) Division will be at the end. Clause...

55 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate therefore stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 28th September, 2023 at 2:30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6:55 p.m. Sen. Mungatana?

Next? Clause 19 This amendment will be moved by Sen. Sifuna. We also have an amendment proposed by Sen. Osotsi. You need to look at the similarities of the amendments and align them.

Division will be at the end. Clause 20 (Question, that Clause 20 be part of the Bill, proposed) Division at the end. Clause 21

Thank you. (Question, that the New Clause 23A be now read a second time, proposed) (Question, that the New Clause 23A be part of the Bill, proposed) The Temporary Chairperson ( Division at the end. Clause 2, the Title and Clause 1 (Question that Clause 2, the Title and Clause...

Order! Hon. Senators, consult in low tones. (Loud consultations)

Senate Majority Leader, I hope you are coming up with a consensus on how to manage the remaining time.

The Senate Majority Leader, would you wish to be informed by Sen. Sifuna?

We all say Amen to that prayer.

Sen. Mandago.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am rising under Standing Order No.1 to seek your interpretation and guidance. When this House extended its sitting, it did so clearly until the debate and conversations around the Bill that we have just discussed ended. So, is it in order to still continue extending this...

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, in view of the circumstances that surrounded the extension of time for the debate, I will order that the House be adjourned. (Laughter) ADJOURNMENT

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Climate Change (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bills No.42 of 2023) and its approval thereof, without amendments. REPORT THE CLIMATE CHANGE (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.42 OF 2023)

Madam Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I call upon the Minority Leader to second. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : I second. Thank you. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to)

I call upon the Mover.

(Applause) THIRD READING THE CLIMATE CHANGE (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.42 OF 2023) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING Gataya Mo Fire, Tharaka Nithi County; Sen. Githuku, Lamu County; Sen. Joe Nyutu, Murang’a County; Sen. Kathuri, Meru County; Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Kakamega County; Sen. Kinyua, Laikipia County; Sen. Kisang’, Elgeyo Marakwet; Sen....