Veronica Waheti Nduati

Clerk, could you confirm if we have the quorum? We have no quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Clerk, could you please, confirm if we now have quorum? (The Clerk-at the-Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, please ring the Quorum...

Prime Cabinet Secretary, it is your chance to answer those questions. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I do not know whether I am audible. Yes, you are. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary...

Senator, you do not know where I am going because I have not indicated. I want you to phrase your question. What you are giving now are views or debating the matter. You must phrase a clear, concise, and precise question.

importance. I would beg that you make it precise, short, and clear, so that the Prime Cabinet Secretary can respond. importance. I would beg that you make it precise, short, and clear, so that the Prime Cabinet Secretary can respond.

Prime Cabinet Secretary, please respond. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I wish to state that we can avail that information based on the records that we have within the embassies because we are talking of -...

might be seen as a lack of courtesy, they are very limited. Most of the mission staff in our embassies have been very courteous to the Kenyan citizens abroad.The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) Thank you. Senator Osotsi. might be seen as a lack of courtesy, they are very limited....

have a Sessional Paper that will be brought to Parliament. Some of these issues we would like to draw from the knowledge and experience of Parliament, so that we can improve how we engage with foreign countries on some of these issues. However, we are taking steps to change the...

The Prime Cabinet Secretary? Sen Beatrice Akinyi Ogola.

The Prime Cabinet Secretary?

Proceed, Hon. Prime Cabinet Secretary. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Madam Temporary Speaker, first of all the agencies that are registered are available on the National Employment Authority (NEA) website. This information is also shared with the National Government...

Proceed, Hon. Prime Cabinet Secretary. The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. There are 19 MoUs that are being negotiated on as we speak. We are quite advanced with Qatar, United Arab Emirates and Saudi Arabia...

Hon. Prime Cabinet Secretary, can you respond to that? The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I must state that on the issue of their level of earnings that is data that would require a little...

The Prime Cabinet Secretary, Thank you. Sen. Onyonka Richard.

Thank you, hon. Prime Cabinet Secretary. Sen. Lomenen, proceed. Thank you, hon. Prime Cabinet Secretary. Sen. Lomenen, proceed.

Sen. Lomenen, there is a cardinal principle that when asking questions, they must be an offshoot of the primary question that brought the Cabinet Secretary here. Is your Supplementary Question in line with that policy?

How?

I guide you to phrase that Question, give it to the Secretariat and give an opportunity to the Prime Cabinet Secretary to come and substantively respond to such a crucial and important Question. It does not emanate from the data he is dealing with on Kenyans working in the Gulf....

Sen. Faki, proceed.

You should only ask a maximum of two Questions.

Sen. Faki, let him respond to those two. I have five more Senators here and we need to move to the next Question.

Yes, we are aware of the case of Stephen Bertrand Munyakho, who was incarcerated on a case of manslaughter in Riyadh. A few weeks ago, I wrote officially to the Foreign Minister of Saudi Arabia, intervening that this individual should not be executed.That execution was deferred; it did not take...

The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi): Madam Temporary Speaker, the National Employment Authority (NEA) has eliminated 700 rogue agencies from the register so far, who are associated with not handling the labour issues professionally.Another thing that I would like to say...

Proceed, Prime Cabinet Secretary? The Prime Cabinet Secretary and Cabinet Secretary for Foreign and Diaspora Affairs (Hon. Musalia Mudavadi) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to state two issues. Firstly, we will not hesitate whatsoever once the bilateral agreements have been signed. As I said, we want to pursue...

Thank you, Prime Cabinet Secretary. Sen. (Prof.) Ojienda, please, ask one supplementary question if you have because we do not have time. We are running out of time. [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) in the Chair]

Thank you, Sen. Roba. Sen. Mwaruma, proceed.

Sen. Nyutu, the guidance I have given you is that we were to avoid names in the debate so that you do not personalize. That was the ground rule that was given.

Sen. Catherine Mumma is not here. Yes, Sen. Asige.

Proceed, Sen. Mumma.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I withdraw. What I have just read and I can read more, is despicable as budget items for this country. Trusting the same person who put them and brought it to Parliament to reorganize will be lying to the Gen Z. What the Gen Z are telling...

[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Mumma) in the Chair] Sen. Catherine, your time is up. Just one minute only to finish the sentence.

can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and Audio Services,When the former Member of Parliament (MP), Eng. Karue from a constituency in Nyandarua, came with CDF, it was the beginning of devolution. He was trying to devolve services to the people. So, when devolution came, CDF should have died a...

Thank you Senator. Sen. Faki, you had given your opportunity to Sen. Kavindu. You may now take the opportunity to debate.

Order. (Loud consultations)

Thank you, Sen. Faki. Sen. Mariam Omar, you have the Floor.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, proceed.

Thank you, Sen. (Dr.) Oburu. Sen. Aaron Cheruiyot, you sound like a new convert before Sen. (Dr.) Oburu. Sen. Tabitha Mutinda?

Sen. Richard Onyonka.

Sen. Beth Syengo, I inform you that it would be in order for you to follow the right procedure when you need our attention, instead of shouting from the bench. Sen. Beth, I have a whole list of the way the sequence was printed. (Sen. Beth Syengo spoke off record)...

Thank you, Senator, for being sensitive on matters of time. Sen. Hamida, you have the Floor.

Hon. Senator, resume your seat for a moment. (Sen. Kibwana resumed her seat) Hon. Senators, under Standing Order No.34 (4) (a) , I want to exercise my discretion to add another 10 minutes for the hon. Senator to finish her contribution towards this Motion. (Applause)

Thank you, Hon. Senator. We have had a heavy discussion today on this Motion. We continue to pray for our nation, speak positively, greatness and leadership. Hon. Senators, before we adjourn, I direct that tomorrow we continue using the list that we were using today because of the nature of...

Clerk, confirm quorum. ADJOURNMENT

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First is to commend the mediation team that has done this mediation. One of the things that we can now clearly state to the National Assembly and the Senate is that Bills that require mediation can be mediated in very few days and solutions can...

Hon. Senators, let us settle down. Serjeant-at-Arms, let the Doors be closed and the Bar drawn. (The Doors were closed and the Bar drawn) (Loud consultations) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING Hon. Senators, resume your seats. The results of the Division are out--- (Loud consultations) Hon. Senators, resume your seats. The results...

Sen. Boni Khalwale, it is in the interest of the Senate proceedings that you resume your seat. Go back to your official seat. Sen. Boni Khalwale, it is in the interest of the Senate proceedings that you resume your seat. Go back to your official seat.

Sen. Cherarkey, would you wish to be informed by Sen. Methu, Nyandarua County?

Whatever it is that he wants you to inform you on.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the benefit of my Vice- Chairperson and a respected legislator in this House, he has spoken about what governors have been saying. The CoG said that they negotiated. We even saw some of them thank the National Assembly for being magnanimous in ensuring that...

Thank you, Sen. Methu. Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Sen. Cherarkey, Sen. Osotsi would want to give you some information.

It has been declined, Sen. Osotsi. Continue Sen. Cherarkey.

What is your point of order, Sen. Osotsi?

Sen. Cherarkey, the point of order is in respect to how that Bill has been presented and who originated the Bill. It originates from the work of the NADCO. Do you want to respond to your assertion of the Azimio amendments?

Sen. Cherarkey, we are not in a funeral or that place that you are imagining. Respond on the Floor of this House.

AYES: 31 not 32. NOES: Nil. ABSTENTION: Nil. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR REVIEW OF RESULTS OF DIVISION ON REPORT OF THE MEDIATION COMMITTEE ON DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.14 OF 2024 AYES: 31 not 32. NOES: Nil. ABSTENTION: Nil. division lists, that fact shall be reported to...

Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, would you like to be informed by Sen. Mungatana?

Sen. Mungatana?

(Applause)

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Munyi Mundigi, proceed.

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, thank you. Your titles are dully noted by the House. Proceed, Sen. Wakili Sigei.

Thank you, Sen. Wakili Sigei. Sen. Beatrice Akinyi Ogola, you have the Floor.

Sen. Cherarkey, you are out of order.

Sen. Chute, you know you are supposed to ask one question only.

I will indulge you. Please make it short.

Sen. Cherarkey, you are out of order.

Thank you, hon. Cabinet Secretary. It is accountability all the way across all the departments and Ministries. Sen. Gloria Orwoba. Madam Temporary Speaker, the AFC as the agricultural bank for this country is faced with challenges of finance. The reason why there are delays in accessing money is because the...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. My question to the Cabinet Secretary is on the lucrative meat market in the Middle East. Can he tell this House the measures the Government has put in place so that the small-scale livestock farmers benefit from that market? (Applause) Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker....

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, hold a bit so that we take two more questions. Sen. Mbugua and then Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, proceed with your question so that we give the Cabinet Secretary time to respond to those three questions.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, I know the female Senators have much more words than the male Senators, for some reason, but your question sounds like a whole essay. Can you shorten it and make it specific and precise?

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, it is question time. You are allowed to pose it as a substantive question so that the Cabinet Secretary responds to it.

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, I can see you need to take a break. I do not know if you are able to take one more question from Sen. Thangw’a to close the session. Serjeant-At-Arms if you can organise, kindly assist the Hon. Cabinet Secretary so that he can finalise on the...

Proceed, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mithika Linturi) : Madam Temporary Speaker, I have said we have just received a team back from Uruguay. The whole idea was to learn how best to access the EU markets. Markets were blocked or sanctioned probably because...

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, if I can guide you. That is a substantive Question and does not sound strong enough to come in as a supplementary to original Question that the Cabinet Secretary was asked. I guide that you pose it as a substantive question through the secretariat. The hon. Cabinet...

Sen. Eddy Oketch, what is your point of order?

What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey?

There are two points of order that have been raised. One by Sen. Eddy and a response point of order by Sen. Cherarkey. The first one is regarding the rationale of the judgement. Whether the National Assembly was fair to the Cabinet Secretary or not. That is a question that...

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Thank you, Sen. Cherarkey for those kind words to Sen. Lemaletian and I. (Question proposed) I do not see any request for contribution to the debate, but I will call Sen. Lemaletian to reply.

Thank you, Sen. Hezena. (Question put and agreed to) Next order. NOTING OF REPORT OF THE EXTRAORDINARY SESSION OF THE SIXTH PARLIAMENT OF PAP ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, there being no other business on the Order Paper, the Senate stands adjourned until later today Wednesday, 22nd May, 2024 at 2.30 p.m....

Thank you, Sen. Mundigi. I can hear your very passionate plea for additional budget for the committees. Sen. Kavindu Muthama, you can reply.

Thank you, hon. Senator. Your plea has been very passionate ever since you started moving this Motion. I hope it sees the light of day someday, so that the bomb blast victims are compensated. I know our colleagues on the other side of the ocean, the Senate in the US...

Sen. Sigei?

Thank you, Sen. Wakili Sigei. (Question proposed) I now open the Floor for contributions from the Senators. Sen. Mungatana, you have the Floor.

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana. Those were the Senators who wished to contribute to this Bill. I invite the Senate Majority Leader to reply.

Thank you, hon. Senator. Putting of the question is deferred to another date as will be scheduled by the Senate Business Committee (SBC) . (Putting of the question on the Bill deferred) (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) I will further direct that the Order Paper be rearranged so...

Thank you, Majority Leader. Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

Sen. Mungatana, you will have a balance of 18 minutes to conclude seconding the Motion when we resume the next sitting, which is tomorrow. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 16th May, 2024 at 2.30 p.m....

Hon. Senators, I will reorganize the Order Paper. We are done with Order No. 11. We will therefore go to Order No. 20. Clerk, you can call it out? THE HOUSES OF PARLIAMENT (BICAMERAL RELATIONS) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.44 OF 2023) The Senate Majority Leader?

Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

I can see the Chairperson of the JLAC is here. Proceed, Sen. Methu.

Senator, if I can give a guide on that clock, in my view, I do notice that is a valid concern. The three clocks are reading differently. It is already 6.30 p.m. on the right-hand side, which is not the case for the clock in the middle aisle and on...