NYIKAL WAMBURA JAMES

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to contribute to this Bill. This is an extremely important Bill. This is not the first time we have had a proposal of this nature in this House. This is the third time, but this one has proceeded relatively differently. It went...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise to support this Bill, but with a bit of caution. The object of this Bill is to establish an institute of environmental professionals as is in Clause 4. As that may be desirable, we have to realise that this is the creation of...

THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended— So, the justification basically is that you have interns having done their internships being registered by regulatory authorities. You also have interns who actually have the experience, so we are distinguishing the two making sure that those who will need a registration...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, if we look at Clause 13, an internship period shall be valid for any period as may be. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, we must first deal with Clause 5 before we move to Clause 13. We will get there. Okay....

THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended-

We should reconsider that. On matter of interns, if we say that each county enacts their own legislation, the entire amendment is lost. Let me give an example, though unrelated. When we did the Facilities Improvement Financing Act (FIF Act) , we put a provision that counties can amend it....

THAT, Clause 9 of the Bill be amended, by inserting the following new paragraph immediately after paragraph (f) — (fa) provide regular feedback to the appropriate regulatory authority in cases of preregistration interns. I am proceeding under the assumption that what has passed is only related to paragraph THAT, Clause...

This is important. After the deletion under

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, whereas I... The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : I hope you are speaking to the amendment by Hon. Gichimu. Yes. I actually agreed because if at the position of the Cabinet Secretary, he is paying stipends, that is something that is handled differently. Even during...

Whereas I appreciate, I would appeal to Hon. Gichimu that his “any other” there was good and covers many things. But my understanding of this is that it is a provision of personal accident insurance. My mind is thinking of interns who are working in factories. You get young people...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move: THAT, Clause 12 of the Bill be amended, by inserting the following new sub clause immediately after sub clause (2) —

I will be fast. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 13 of the Bill be amended—

I need some guidance. Would that also apply to interns on working terms or they will be handled in accordance with labour laws? Such instances might continue happening on various grounds if you are thinking of somebody who is employed and being paid. It is okay for an intern who...

My colleagues have said that unsatisfactory performance can be measured, similar to criminal offences. I support the deletion because under Clause 15, the Cabinet Secretary may make regulations for the benefit to carry out this Bill. These details should be left to the Cabinet Secretary. Deleting them does not deny...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that New Clause 14A be now read a Second Time. Its essence is that a regulatory authority will not levy a fee on an institution offering preregistration internship. I say this because it is happening which is a big problem. Institutions bear the...

The principle is good but the terminology is not correct. I am not a lawyer. However, let me say what I have in mind. (Inaudible) I will then remove the word “levy” and replace it with “charge a fee” in the proposed New Clause 14A. (Inaudible) The Temporary Chairlady (Hon....

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I withdraw the amendment. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Are you withdrawing it? Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, for withdrawing the amendment. Hon. Members, before we proceed, I would like to recognise our guests seated in the Public Gallery this afternoon — a delegation...

I did not get the opportunity to tell my intention. What I intended to say is on the word “training”. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. (Dr) Nyikal, on your proposed amendment on Clause 2 (a) , you can still go ahead. The one which fell is...

I second. (Question proposed)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This is a very important Bill because in some cases, the treatment of interns has been abusive. Many young people have joined institutions, sometimes performing meaningful work, but without clear regulations. They spend time there without certainty of what they did. This Bill, with its...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I think it is a good thing to save the Bills that we do. How do we ensure that the bills we pass and send to the Senate do not lapse? This is something of concern. As we speak, we have two Bills from my Committee...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: NOTICES OF MOTIONS ADOPTION OF REPORT ON BUDGET IMPLEMENTATION FOR FY 2024/2025 FOR VARIOUS OFFICES, STATE DEPARTMENTS AND AGENCIES

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT this House adopts the report of the Departmental Committee on Health on the utilisation of funds disbursed by the Social Health Authority since its inception and the challenges faced by health facilities laid on the table of...

Thank you. I moved one of the amendments and the Committee moved the others. In my view, we should have let the amendments be carried. As much as the details indicate certain provisions, I do not see why we should take risks to pass something that has the possibility, however,...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is a response to Hon. Kaguchia’s Request for Statement regarding acute shortage of blood testing kits in the country. On behalf of the Kenya Blood Transfusion and Transplant Services, I would like to respond as hereunder. The Kenya Blood Transfusion and Transplant Services is mandated to...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, the issues raised are reliance on donors and stakeholders in the private sector, and a framework that is in place without funding. All these revolve around insufficient financing. That is the basic issue here. I cannot speak for the Ministry, even though what I am reading came...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. There are two aspects to this. One is the budget, and I checked even this morning. I must say that even this year's funding is inadequate. It is only Ksh300 million. There has, indeed, been a request for more. We will do that as a...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you once again. This is a response to Hon. Joyce Kamene regarding blood donation and transfusion services at the Kenyatta National Hospital (KNH) . They are very close issues, although separate. The first one was about the nationwide shortage of blood transfusion kits. This one is...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Yes, I agree. The truth is that when we ask these questions and the cabinet secretaries or the principal secretaries give us answers, they depend on the technical report they get from the officers. They will try to make themselves look as good as possible...

Depending on our programme, I think that is something we can do before we go for recess. I cannot be particular until I review our programme, but we would like to do it before we go for recess.

Hon. Dawood, let us hear the substance. He is right. If we reject the Senate amendment, there would be mediation. Let us hear more about the substance. What are we discussing? What is being rejected or accepted? The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. Biego.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me start by thanking Hon. Members for passing the amendment that we introduced on Article 2:13 of the Agreement. I do not know much about trade but I have faith, through the Report tabled by the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives. They have...

Thank you for giving me this opportunity. This is an extremely important Bill. In my mind, is the rationale. Much more important are the good details. It arises from the role of judges in a society. Justice is the basis for stability in any society. All conflicts in the world...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I rise to move an amendment to this Motion, but you will oblige me to make a statement regarding the discussion that has gone on. As indicated, Hon. Kitany said the purpose was to have a joint meeting. However, we made it clear that Members of our...

On behalf of our Committee, I want to set the record straight. We discussed with the Chair of the other Committee that if our Members would not attend the meeting because we were going away, we would pass the technical information through our technical people and then they would proceed....

Hon. Speaker, thank you. I rise to oppose the recommittal. (Applause)

Hon. Speaker, I leave it to you because you know the rules of the House and the Standing Orders more than anyone. What happens when someone is not there is a decision for you to make. Even the issues being raised that sound odd, like intended parent, arise because we...

THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended by— THAT, Clause 14 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “a medical doctor” and substituting therefor the words “an assisted reproductive technology expert”. The justification for this is that the original Bill was restrictive. The amendment seeks to give...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, what I have is exactly the same with what Hon. Millie has. The difference is that in the original Bill, there was only mention of ‘a medical doctor’ but the amendment talks of ‘a doctor with specialised knowledge in assisted reproductive technology’. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr)...

THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended—

I beg to move: THAT, Clause 30 of the Bill be amended— 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13

What brings this issue is that genetic connection with children is protective on its own. There are incidences where people knowing that a child is not connected to them, for instance a surrogate mother, he or she becomes totally alien to them. There is even fear that people can raise...

THAT, Clause 52 of the Bill be amended — THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended — That therefore is our rationale for the amendment. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you, Chairman. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be left out...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me start by appreciating the persistence and the hard work of Hon. Millie. When I joined the 11th 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26 Parliament, I remember many meetings we had with her and the technical people, including doctors and specialists in all...

Thank you for giving me the opportunity. This is an extremely important Bill. Agriculture is actually the mainstay of human survival. It is much more important even than medication and health issues. Food is the key issue. We all know that agriculture is the mainstay of our economy in this...

THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended by— THAT, Clause 14 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “a medical doctor” and substituting therefor the words “an assisted reproductive technology expert”. The justification for this is that the original Bill was restrictive. The amendment seeks to give...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, what I have is exactly the same with what Hon. Millie has. The difference is that in the original Bill, there was only mention of ‘a medical doctor’ but the amendment talks of ‘a doctor with specialised knowledge in assisted reproductive technology’. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr)...

THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended—

I beg to move: THAT, Clause 30 of the Bill be amended— 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 13

What brings this issue is that genetic connection with children is protective on its own. There are incidences where people knowing that a child is not connected to them, for instance a surrogate mother, he or she becomes totally alien to them. There is even fear that people can raise...

THAT, Clause 52 of the Bill be amended — THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended — That therefore is our rationale for the amendment. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you, Chairman. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be left out...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me start by appreciating the persistence and the hard work of Hon. Millie. When I joined the 11th 5th November 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 26 Parliament, I remember many meetings we had with her and the technical people, including doctors and specialists in all...

Thank you for giving me the opportunity. This is an extremely important Bill. Agriculture is actually the mainstay of human survival. It is much more important even than medication and health issues. Food is the key issue. We all know that agriculture is the mainstay of our economy in this...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I wish to appreciate all the Members who have contributed to this Bill and all the issues they have raised. I also appreciate Senators who sponsored this Bill and the support from my Committee. This is an extremely important Bill. According to our health data,...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity. Although I do not come from a tea-growing area, I do appreciate the economic importance and significance of tea in this country. As the Mover said earlier, a big proportion of our foreign exchange every year actually comes from tea....

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I sadly rise, on behalf of myself, my family and most importantly the people of Seme, to pass my condolences to the family of Rt. Hon. Raila Odinga. I pass my condolences to the people of Kenya for the loss...