OCHIENG DAVID OUMA

I notice that Members are still streaming in. There is no quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members, I can now confirm that we now quorate to transact business. Hon. Members who are on their feet, please, take your seats. Clerk-at-the-Table....

Thank you. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Co-operatives, Hon. Gakuya. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security. Hon. Raso is here.

The Chairperson of the Diaspora and Migrant Workers Committee.

Thank you, Hon. Haika. That marks the end of that Order. Do we have a Member who has been left out? (Hon. Joseph Gitari spoke off the record) What is it, Hon. Gitari?

Hon. Gitari, approach the Clerk-at- the-Table. (Hon. Joseph Gitari approached the Clerks-at-the-Table) Hon. Gichimu, you had something to say.

Just inform your Chairperson that his attendance in the House is key. He will be allowed to lay the papers the next time the House sits. Hon. Gitari, you can take the next seat and lay the Paper. Hon. Gitari will lay the Paper on behalf of the Chairperson of...

Thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS In this Order, we have three Members who have notices of motions. Member for Nairobi City County, are you ready? (Hon. Mark Mwenje consulted with Hon. Esther Passaris) Hon. Mwenje, allow the Member for Nairobi City County to be ready for this business....

Thank you. Hon. Passaris, do you now have the notice of motion or we need to give you more time?

Order. Hon. Millie. You are quite okay, but can we finish because we are in the middle of Order No. 6? Nothing is out of order in Order No. 6. So, let us deal with that and then we come to you. (Laughter) COMPREHENSIVE REFORMS OF EDUCATION BURSARY SCHEMES TO...

Thank you. Before I listen to Hon. Millie, I would like to re-organise the Order Paper, so that we consider Order No. 8 and 9, and then we come back and listen to Hon. Millie. Then, we will go back to Order No. 7. APPOINTMENT OF M/S PKF KENYA LLP...

Thank you so much. I hope you will be provided with a mask. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record)

There is no debate about what you said. Hon. Mwenje, do you have something to say on this matter?

Okay. (Laughter)

Just a minute. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona stood up in her place) Whip of the Minority Party, Hon. Millie, this is not how it is done. Take your seat. You will learn that once you speak, you have to allow others to have their say. If there is need for clarification,...

Hon. Mayaka.

However, I did not see you slide. Let us have Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Hon. Jayne Kihara. All of you are on a point of order. You just have to wait. This matter is very simple.

Hon. Makali Mulu.

I will give a chance to two more, one minute each. Member for Busia.

Thank you. The Member of Endebess.

Hon. Rindikiri.

Hon. Murugara.

Hon. Wamaua.

Thank you. Member for Nambale, you have one minute.

Member for Kabuchai.

Thank you. The Member for Eldas. I have given chance to five Members from this side. You can be sure this side will also get five. Hold your horses. You have one minute each.

Thank you. Member of Bumula.

Thank you. Hon. Major Bashir.

Thank you. Hon. Members, I think Hon. Millie needed recognition as the Whip of the Minority party. We have done enough of that. Is that not so? We needed to congratulate Hon Millie and we have done that. The matter should rest there. As far as Standing Order 20 is...

Thank you. Hon Members, because of the number of requests for statements today, we will not allow Members to comment on the requests. The next Member who has a request is the Member for North Horr, Hon. Adhe Wario. Sorry. Hon. Raso, before we move to the Hon. Member for...

Thank you. Hon. Njuguna, is that okay with you.

Thank you. So, two weeks after we resume from recess. Hon. Member for North Horr. TRAGIC ATTACK ON CIVILIANS ALONG THE KENYA-ETHIOPIA BORDER IN MARSABIT COUNTY

Thank you. Hon. Raso.

Thank you. The Member for North Horr, is that okay with you?

Thank you. The next Statement is from the Member for Fafi, Hon. Yakub. INSECURITY IN FAFI CONSTITUENCY

Thank you, Hon. Member. By now, you know the drill. All the things that you wanted should have been captured in your request for a statement. There are no speeches after you have issued your request for a statement. Hon. Dido Raso, today is your day.

Thank you. Hon. Yakub, the Hon. Member has told you what they are going to do. At that time, when they give their answer, you will tell them whether it is ‘desktop or laptop’ and then you deal with it at that level.

Hon. Raso, you can carry the laptops to the ground so that the answers you give are not just laptop answers but real answers from the ground.

Thank you. I think that is okay. Member for Garsen. INDEFINITE CLOSURE OF MALKA-HALAKU CORRIDOR

Thank you. That is quite a long one. The Chairperson of the Committee on Tourism and Wildlife? Any Member from that Committee?

Member for Garsen, I think that is reasonable.

Hon. Khamis.

Because of the urgency of the matter, Hon. Khamis, please communicate to your Chairman that the Hon. Member for Garsen be invited to your Committee and this matter be placed before it next week when it is sitting. I think that should be able to sort out the urgency of...

Thank you so much. The Member for Garsen, this is the last bite on this.

Thank you. The Member carrying a hand up, do you have a card? Go ahead.

Thank you. The Member for Kitui South is guided to bring a statement on that matter, if she wants it handled the way she proposes. This matter for now will go to the relevant committee, which is the Committee on Tourism and Wildlife. Then the matter will be handled with...

Before I allow the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock to respond, the Member for Kakamega has a related question. I will allow her to proceed. You do not have to go through your question the way he has done. You can just go through the areas...

Thank you, Chair of the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture. Any Member of that Committee? Hon. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, this chance goes to you.

Next Order. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BILL Hon. Members, the debate on this Bill is ongoing and I need to know from the Members who have put their cards here whether they want to contribute to this. Hon. Raso, do you want to contribute to this? You have four...

Thank you. Hon. (Dr) Pukose.

Hon. Members, I think it is reasonable for the House to consider the request. I will, therefore, put the Question. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover, this is your chance to reply.

Thank you. Next Order. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) in the Chair] THE COTTON INDUSTRY DEVELOPMENT BILL

I oppose this amendment. I imagine that the Chairman would say that the CEO should have experience in the cotton industry, and not necessarily a master's degree. This industry has been facing many challenges. Most people in this area have been learning and amassing experience. In my opinion, too much...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have just been looking at the latest amendments, that is, Clauses 26, 27 and 28 vis-à-vis the… (Hon. David Ochieng’ spoke while seated) The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. Ochieng’, please be up standing. Sorry. On Clause 28, I am wondering whether we...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard Hon. Nabii and Hon. (Dr) Oundo. You have already given a license, there is a farmer or a person running a ginnery and going on with what he is supposed to do. We must give discretion for the person who goes to supervise and...

Now that they are going to be working on an amendment they are agreeing on, I am just trying to agree with Hon. Oundo. As you do that, please, put a mandatory requirement for ADR Before they go to any tribunal, there is a level that they settle the issues...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, the primary reason for this Bill is to revive the failed cotton industry. Our history as a country has shown that every time we introduce a levy, the body that we are creating here today will be looking forward to raising money, and not developing the cotton...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I want to build on what Hon. Oundo has said. This amendment will be good, if the Chairperson moves a further amendment and removes the word “tax”. I plead with him to do it. It opens the whole thing up to the Cabinet Secretaries concerned to do...

Hon. Members, as you are aware, we have considered three Bills. We will start with the reporting of the first one we did. I therefore call upon the Chairperson to move reporting. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE PENSIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL

Mover.

Hon. Members, for obvious reasons, I defer putting the Question on this matter until the next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE SUGAR BILL We, therefore, move to the Sugar Bill. Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

Mover.

Hon. Nabii.

The next Bill that was considered this morning is the Cotton Industry Development Bill. CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE COTTON INDUSTRY BILL Temporary Chairlady.

Mover, Hon. Emaase.

Hon. Members, the time being 1.09

I direct that the Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I know the 10 minutes are over, but we shall ring the Bell for a further five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members, I can confirm that we now have quorum. The Bell...

Is Hon. Mishi Mboko in?

Duly noted. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS We have the Member for Tiaty, Hon. William Kamket. ORDINARY QUESTION STATUS OF RECRUITMENT OF PRINCIPALS AND DEPUTY PRINCIPALS IN ARID AND SEMI-ARID AREAS

Thank you. Hon. Gonzi Rai go ahead. Sorry. Just take your seat for a moment. The Question by the Member for Tiaty, will go to the Departmental Committee on Education and Research. I do not know whether Hon. Melly is here? Okay, Hon. Malulu.

Okay. Hon. Makali.

Thank you. Hon. Gonzi Rai. REQUEST FOR STATEMENT STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF MWACHE DAM PROJECT

Thank you. The request for Statement will go to the Departmental Committee on Blue Economy, Water and Irrigation. I saw Hon. Kangogo sometime earlier. Hon. Dorothy are you a Member of that Committee?

Thank you. (Hon. Gonzi Rai spoke off the record) Hon. Gonzi Rai, you just…

Hon. Dorothy inform Hon. Kangogo on the urgency of this matter. I am sure Hon. Gonzi Rai can engage him as he waits for formal engagement at the Committee level.

Hon. Chepkonga.

Hon. Oundo. Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula ODM) . Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity to comment. In essence, I do not oppose the Motion, but obviously, like every Kenyan will ask: What is the hurry? The Bill is already running, signed, enacted and is operational....

Thank you. The Member for Kitui West, do you want to speak on this Bill? Edith Nyenze (Kitui West, WDM) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. From the outset, I support this Bill which is important, especially for the unemployed graduates. We have very many people who are unemployed in...

Member for Likoni.

Thank you. Member for Sotik, do you want to contribute to the debate on this Bill? You are next in line. (Technical hitch) Use the microphone next to your seat.

Thank you. Hon. Members, the time allotted for this Bill has lapsed. I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Hon. Wanyonyi.

Hon. Oluoch.

Hon. Lesuuda.

Hon. Members, let us proceed to the next order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE FIRST SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR THE FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025

Well said, Chairperson. Hon. Mary Emaase.

Thank you, Hon. Members. Order. The first person to bite the cherry on this would be the Member for Aldai. What is your point of order? This is your chance to contribute.

Well done. The Member for Khwisero.

Thank you. Member for Alego Usonga.

Thank you. Member for Maragwa.

I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for a further five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members, we quorate. Please take your seats so that we may start today’s proceedings. (Several...

Thank you. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS Hon. Members, we have request for statements from two Members in the Order Paper. I will start with the Member for Bobasi, if he is in the House. (Hon. Innocent Momanyi spoke off the record) Okay. Just sit and you will get a...

Proceed. PREPAREDNESS OF SCHOOLS IN ISIOLO COUNTY AFTER THE RECENT HEAVY RAINS

Hon. Malulu, this falls under your docket.

When you invite the Cabinet Secretary (CS) , ensure that the Member is duly informed so that she is present during the CS’s attendance, and this should not take more than two weeks.

Hon. Member for Bobasi, I hope you are now ready. RECONSTRUCTION OF A COLLAPSED BRIDGE IN NYAMACHE TOWN IN BOBASI CONSTITUENCY

Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, Hon. Komingoi.

Have you heard that? He has said within two weeks, the Committee would have gotten back to you. Hon. Gisairo.

Hon. Nguna.

Thank you. Hon. Kipyegon.

Hon. Komingoi, today is 12th June

Hon. Komingoi, the Members’ concern, apart from the Member for Bobasi, is the 22 per cent of money already available and allocated to KeRRA. That is the Members' concern. When is it going to the ground? Two weeks is too long.

Thank you. We will not engage in debate on that. The answer he has given is satisfactory to me. Hon. Komingoi, you can see what is happening. You need to take charge of this matter and have it dealt with as soon as possible. Before I go to the next...

Thank you. Next Order. THE SALARIES AND REMUNERATION COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL THE PUBLIC SERVICE INTERNSHIP BILL Hon. Members, the debate on this Bill started on the 24th April. Hon. Naisula Lesuuda was on her feet. She is also the sponsor of the Bill. Hon. Lesuuda, this is your chance to...

Hon. Members, I request the Whip of the Majority Party to help us lower the tone of consultations so that we can listen to Hon. Lesuuda. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Well done.

Hon. Karemba, just sit down. Before you second, Hon. Lesuuda has said: “Make a mark at the place you get a chance for internship.” I want to use that statement to welcome students from the United States International University-Africa (USIU-Africa) from Roysambu, who are seated in the Speaker’s Gallery to...

Thank you. (Question proposed) The first Member to have a bite at that cherry is the Hon. Member for Westlands.

Member for Kitui South.

Hon. Baya, I hate to hold you a bit because this cannot be another Kenyatta University (KU) affair. Just commit that you will not talk about KU. Please do not talk about KU. Go ahead. (Laughter)

Very well said. But let us give them maternity leave if they become pregnant. Let us not deny them that. (Laughter)

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation Bill (National Assembly Bill No.32 of 2024) and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Members, this marks the end of a very eventful period, in my opinion. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Next Order. THE STATUTE LAW (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) BILL Hon. Owen Baya, you were still moving this particular Bill. So, go ahead.

Thank you very much, Members. I hope you have noted what is happening this morning. Chairpersons of Committees can actually allow their deputies to move Motion and second them. Leader of the Majority Party, go ahead and second this Bill.

Thank you, Hon. Ichung’wah. Did I hear you say one man, one woman or one man, one shilling? What did you say? One man, one woman? Not one shilling? Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I said one man, one woman. You know, I am of a...

Member for Dadaab.

Thank you. Member for Ol Jorok.

Thank you. Member for Dagoretti North.

Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Moi Girls Isinya High School in Kajiado East Constituency, Kajiado County; St. Monica Munyaka Girls Secondary School in Kieni Constituency, Nyeri County, and Gaitu Secondary School in Central Imenti Constituency, Meru County. They are all welcome to follow our proceedings this morning....

What is your point of order, Hon. Mbadi? Hon. Murugara, take your seat.

That is all in order, but you know the drill. Hon. Gikaria, you and I have been here since 28th March 2013. You, therefore, know what you are supposed to do. Take your seat.

You know that you should have done it earlier. This should have been done at the beginning of this debate. However, Hon. Members, I request that when we give you a chance, be fair to others. Try to use as little time as possible so that as many Hon. Members...

Thank you. Next is the Member for Mwingi West.

Thank you. Next is the Member for Teso South.

Thank you, Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Mbadi, you have heard what Hon. Makali has said. I know you are the Chair, Public Accounts Committee.

Member for Gilgil.

Member for Kiambaa.

Member for Alego Usonga

Hon. Didmus Barasa.

The Member for Kimilili has requested that we ask the Mover to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply? (Loud consultations) Order! Order, Hon. Osoro. Take your seat. You are the ones to decide. Order! Hon. Member, take your seat. Today...

Before we go to the next order, I will allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to table the document he has.

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro, approach the Clerks-at-the-Table and table the document as it were. Table it. You are supposed to table it. Chairman of Budget and Appropriations Committee, you know what to do. What you did before you tabled was not the right thing to do. We give notice formally. I...

It is giving notice of the Motion. NOTICE OF MOTION CONSIDERATION OF THE BUDGET POLICY STATEMENT FOR FINANCIAL YEAR 2024/2025 AND THE MEDIUM TERM

Thank you very much. You gave the notice and proceeded to read the notice itself. You will do all that again in the afternoon. However, the notice is dully given. The Motion will be debated in the afternoon. Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON THE MEDIATED VERSION OF THE DIVISION...

Hon. Members, allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to move the Motion in silence.

Hon. Japheth Nyakundi.

Thank you. Members, before I propose the question, join me in welcoming students from Machakos Girls’ High School, who are seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceedings today. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this cherry would be Hon. Atandi, for...

Thank you. Hon. Nyikal.

Thank you. I hope the Chairperson for Budget and Appropriations Committee got that. Let us have the Hon. Member for Kimilili. As I said earlier Hon. Members, there are Members who started queuing at 9:30 a.m. and are still on this queue. I am going to follow the queue the...

Member for Sigowet/Soin.

Thank you. Member for Baringo.

Member for Lafey, I said I would follow the list. You are fourth or fifth in the list that I have. So, stop raising your hand now and when I give someone an opportunity.

Member for Samburu West.

Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Happyland Girls Senior School, from Kajiado East in the Speakers Gallery. They are welcome to follow our proceeding this afternoon. I allow Hon. Caleb Mule to welcome students from Machakos Girls High School and Happyland Girls Senior School.

Hon. Mule, that was not your chance to contribute. This chance now goes to the Member for Suna West. (Laughter)

Member for Khwisero.

Thank you. The last part is most important actually. The Member for Kisii.

Member for Lafey. Is it Lafey or Lafi?

Thank you. Member for South Mugirango.

Hon. Kawanjiku, never repeat what you have just done today. You can never pass in front of a Member contributing looking at his eyes directly. You are not supposed to pass between him and the Speaker. By doing that, you will be distracting the House.

Give Hon. Osoro a minute more. Hon. Osoro, kindly take your seat. I want to listen to Hon. Ruku.

You have made your point, Hon. Ruku. Keep your seat. Hon. Osoro, did you do that?

Hon. Bartoo.

Thank you. Hon. Ikiara.

Hon. Kawanjiku, you and that team are so jumpy and active today. What is out of order?

Hon. Ikiara, take 30 seconds so that we finalise this.

Thank you. Is it the mood of the House that we allow the Mover to reply?

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Thank you very much. The Question on this matter will be put the next time this Bill is put up for consideration. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The time being 1.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until today, Wednesday, 5th June 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Order, Leader of the Majority Party. Yes, Hon. Ochieng’. What is the point of order? Hon. Speaker, I have been listening to Leader of the Majority Party. Is it in order for him to keep on referring to Hon. Wamboka as if he...

I wish to call upon the Chairperson to report to the House the proceedings of the Committee of the whole House.

Mover.

Leader of the Majority Party, do you have anything to say on this Bill?

Thank you. Hon. Members, the decision on agreeing with the Report of the Committee of the whole House will be voted the next time this matter is slotted for the Third Reading. (Putting of the question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The time being 7.06 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 4th...