OCHIENG DAVID OUMA

Hon. Chairperson.

Let us have the Mover, Hon. Deputy Speaker.

Order, Hon. Members! You will vote the wrong way because you are not listening. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, there is an amendment.

Should I put the Question?

Next Order. COMMITTEE OF SUPPLY [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) left the Chair)] IN THE COMMITTEE [The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) in the Chair] CONSIDERATION OF SECOND SUPPLEMENTARY ESTIMATES FOR FY 2024/2025 VOTE 1173 - STATE DEPARTMENT FOR CO-OPERATIVES Programme 0304000 – Co-operative Development and Management

Hon. Chairperson.

Mover.

If that is the feeling, I will, therefore, put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE SUPPLEMENTARY APPROPRIATION BILL Mover. Is it the Chairperson of the Liaison Committee or Leader of the Majority Party?

Hon. Oundo.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Supplementary Appropriation Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.8 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the County Governments Additional Allocations Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2025) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.2) , (National Assembly Bill No.26 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to report that a Committee of the whole House has considered the Insurance Professionals Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.13 of 2024) , and approved the same with amendments.

Hon. Members, we do not have quorum. So, the Quorum Bell shall be rung for 10 minutes. The Majority Party and Minority Party Whips are asked to do what they need to do this morning. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Hon. Members, I can confirm that we quorate. (Several Hon....

Thank you. Next Order. QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS REQUEST FOR STATEMENTS There is a request for statement by Hon. Onchoke. I have seen him in the House. Go ahead. Please, read the request for statement as it is. DRUG AND SUBSTANCE USE AMONG UNIVERSITY STUDENTS IN KENYA

Hon. Ruku, you shall not do what you are trying to do. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Ruku. Hon. Onchoke shall be heard in silence. Hon. Ruku, you shall be silent as the Member puts his request for statement across. Hon. Onchoke, proceed.

Thank you. I will allow a few comments on this. Hon. Ruku, go up there, get your card, and then I will allow you to speak.

Thank you. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) Can we allow Hon. Munyoro to say something? This is not a debate! You have had your chance.

Hon. Ruku, do you consider cigarettes a drug?

You do not say ‘sig-ret’! You say ‘si-guh-ret’.

Hon. Baya.

Thank you. Let us have ‘General’ Bashir.

Hon. Mutuse.

Order! Order! Hon. Ruku, take your seat. Hon. Mutuse, take your seat. Hon. Members, I am not going to throw anybody out of Parliament this morning. (Loud consultations)Committee on Education in the House? Go ahead, Hon. Gisairo.

Thank you. The next request for statement is by Hon. Peter Mbogho, the Member for Mwatate. UNFAIR DISMISSAL OF MR. PAUL MZENGE BY THE KENYA PORTS AUTHORITY

Hon. Baya, I cannot see the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour in the House. Would you take charge of this? I hope you got the request for statement.

Hon. Peter, you will take it up with him so that it is addressed at the right time. CONSTRUCTION OF KIREGE-FOREST-MUBUKURO ROAD IN CHUKA/IGAMBANG’OMBE The Member for Chuka/Igambang’ombe. Hon. Patrick Ntwiga (Chuka/Igambang'ombe, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I wish...

Hon. Members, before we move to the next Statement, join me in welcoming students from the following schools: (Applause)

Thank you. ORDINARY QUESTIONS DISMISSAL OF MRS JANET KADZO OF TSC NO. 468522 BY THE TEACHERS SERVICE COMMISSION Hon. Members, I have two Questions to the Independent Offices and Commissions. The first one is by Hon. Baya, the Member for Kilifi North. Do you have a Question to the Teachers...

This request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Education, which shall summon the Chief Executive Officer (CEO) of TSC to deal with the matter. Is Hon. Kasalu in the House? I know she has just walked in and so, she can use the Order Paper.Question 004/2025 DISCRIMINATION OF FEMALE...

Thank you. That is a very weighty issue that has been raised by the Member for Kitui County. There are ladies who are married in counties where they cannot be employed because they cannot produce marriage certificates. I hope the Departmental Committee on Education will get to the bottom of...

Order, Hon. Baya. Take your seat. This is a Motion, and you are debating it. You cannot say that a Member has bad manners simply because he has a view that is opposed to yours. Hon. Dawood, go ahead.

Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai.

Thank you. Let us have Hon. Sabina Chege.

Last to speak on this is Hon. Makali Mulu.

Thank you. Hon. Baya, I am sure you sit in the House Business Committee. Do you sit in the House Business Committee?

Hon. Baya, just take your seat. What Hon. Makali is raising is very important. That every time the Majority side borrows for Private Member's Bill, they should refund that time. That is the issue he is raising. I hope that the Leadership has listened to him and that, in future,...

Hon. Gladys, we had gone through these recommendations. So, you can just say, ‘As per the Order Paper’ because everything you are mentioning is in the Order Paper.

Well done, Hon. Chairperson. Hon. Members, before Hon. Martha Wangari seconds, join me in welcoming pupils and students from Sheria House School from Starehe Constituency, Nairobi County; Kiriani Boys High School from Maara Constituency, Tharaka Nithi County; Kasue Girls Secondary School from Kibwezi West Constituency, Makueni County and Roysambu Primary...

Hon. Members, as you are aware, this Motion was moved in an amended form. (Question of the Motion as amended proposed) Deputy Leader of Majority Party, it is now your turn.

The Quorum Bell can now be stopped. I confirm that we have a quorum. Members can now take their seats. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka walked in the aisle) Hon. Members, I have confirmed that we have a quorum. Hon. Wamboka, it is not your job to look for the Quorum of...

If you have the Order Paper, Questions will follow the pattern they appear on the last page. I hope Hon. Joyce Kamene is in the House ready with her Question. You already have the microphone with you, Hon. Joyce Kamene. EFFECTS OF WITHDRAWAL OF FUNDING BY USAID IN KENYA

Hon. Owino, go back and do the right thing. (Hon. Walter Owino went to the Bar and bowed to the Chair) This request shall be referred to the Departmental Committee on Health. I do not see the Chairperson. Is there any Member of that Committee? Hon. Nyamai, what did you...

Member for Nairobi, you have two minutes to comment on the request.

Thank you. Members, this statement request is referred to the Departmental Committee on Health. I hope they can bring a report in the next three weeks. Before I give a chance to the Member for Nairobi again, join me in recognising and welcoming students from the following schools: STATUS OF...

This Request for a Statement is referred to the Committee on Health. Deputy Whip of the Majority Party, I want your attention because the next time these matters come up, I will not ask the Chairpersons. I will ask you about them. The first Request for a Statement was made...

I hope the Member for Nairobi City County has noted that. The next request is from the Member for West Mugirango. STATE OF PREPAREDNESS FOR THE WET SEASON

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, do you want to comment on this request for a Statement? Go ahead. You have two minutes.

Hon. Naomi Waqo, there seem to be no Chairpersons in the House today. What we expect on this one is a comprehensive Statement covering not only Kisii but the entire country, holistically. What is our preparedness for the wet season for the whole country? I hope you can relate this...

Order, Member for Mwala Constituency. Is this the Member for Mwala? What is wrong with you? From 28th March 2013 until now, you still do not know what to do? You cannot do that, Hon. Vincent Kawaya. Do the right thing.

Hon. Makilap, you should not walk without your card. Where is your card? Go ahead. (Laughter)

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Murugara, Hon. Tindi Mwale, Hon. Rindikiri and Hon. Makilap could you all take your seats. Consult in low tones so that we can hear the Member contributing.

You do not catch the eye of the Speaker by doing that. You know that very well. You do it by logging in. I will follow the table that is here. The first person is Hon. George Gitonga Murugara. Do you want to contribute to this Motion? Leader of the...

Hon. Murugara your chance was lost because you were busy. Allow the Leader of the Majority Party to contribute first and then you contribute after him.

Hon. Kangogo, I will not tire of reminding you. I came to this House on 28th March 2013. You are not the person speaking now. You cannot be between him and the Speaker when he is contributing. You cannot.

This is your chance Hon. Murugara.

Next is the Member for Kitui Central.

Next is Hon. Mutunga.

I will give you 30 seconds. You do not have the whole... (Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga Kanyuithia spoke off the record) You should not be highlighting anything. You should be winding up.

Member for Marakwet East.

Member for Seme.

Member for Yatta.

Hon. Robert, your namesake is Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose. The younger Hon. Robert, could you relate to us what you are saying with the debt strategy?

No! No! The rules say that a Member who contributes must be relevant. He is asking how harambee contributions are relevant to the Medium-Term Debt Management Strategy. That is the issue.

Thank you. Member for Baringo, proceed.

Thank you. Member for Tinderet.

Thank you. Member for Funyula.

Hon Melly, the Member of Funyula is making his point. What is out of order?

Order!

He is debating. He will debate using his own words, not yours. Go ahead.

The Member for Uasin Gishu wants to inform you. Do you want to be informed?

Next is the Member for Endebess Constituency. Hon. Baya, you just walked in. Some Members have been queuing since we started.

Next is the Member for Kitui Rural, Hon. Mboni.

Thank you. Let us have the Member for Kilifi North.

It is 2036.

Well said. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Next is the Member for Mbeere North.

What is out of order, Hon. Oundo?

Proceed, Hon. Ruku.

Hon. Members, there being no further interest in the Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply. Proceed, Hon. Gladys Boss.

Thank you. Hon. Members, for obvious reason, the decision on this Motion will be made when it next appears on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order!

Under Standing Order 35, it does not matter what is to be discussed next. It is on its own. I order the Quorum Bell to be rung for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time now is 7.02

Thank you and well said. The Member for Siaya County, Hon. Ombaka.

The Member coming in, go back to the Bar, bow and then walk in.

Okay.

Well said. Members, join me in welcoming and recognising the presence of students from St. Thomas Aquinas Kyaani Secondary School, Kibwezi West, Makueni County. They are seated in the Public Gallery. Members, you should show your appreciation by stumping your feet. (Members stumped their feet) Hon. Eckomas, is this your...

Thank you. Member for Baringo.

Next on the list is the Member for Busia.

Let us have the Member for Kitui West. Is she in the House? It seems she is not. Let us have the Member for Kisii. Go ahead.

No! The Member has a choice of words to use. She has already said she did not like the situation. It would be worse if you ask her to describe the activities she mentioned. Hon. Donya, you have a choice. Proceed to argue your case the way you like it...

To the Member walking towards the Chair, that is not your place to walk on. You are not supposed to block the Speaker from seeing the Member who is speaking. Please go back and walk behind her.

There is nothing out of order, Hon. Otiende. You are a senior here and you know the rules. She has just completed her contribution. There is nothing out of order. Go ahead.

Hon. Adipo has his mouth and legs. I am sure he can speak for himself, and walk. Hon. Adipo, do you confirm that you are seeking exemption?

Hon. Member from Kisii, Hon. Mayaka.

Hon. Mayaka knows better than Hon. Otiende in this kind of matter. (Laughter)

Hon. Member for Narok North, you want to speak on this matter? Hon. Pareyio, you requested to speak on this matter?

Thank you. Hon. Members, the time allotted for debate on this Bill has lapsed. It is now my chance to call the Mover of the Bill, Hon. Masara, to reply.

Hon. Masara, you can proceed.

Thank you and well said, Dr Masara.(Putting of the question deferred)Hon. Members, his request for deferment of the Question on this Bill at Second Reading is granted. The putting of the Question is deferred to the next time the Bill will be slotted in the Order Paper. Next Order. Hon....

Has it been debated?

My direction on this matter is that we shall proceed, and the next time this Report is scheduled for debate, we will give communication on the issue Hon. Otiende has raised.

I wanted to give some direction. Hon. Otiende, has your issue been addressed? (Hon. Wanjiku Muhia spoke off the record) Hon. Wanjiku, I have heard you and noticed that you are here. Hon. Otiende, you addressed an issue which I think we need to dispense with so as to avoid...

For purposes of this debate, I will allow Members who are inclined to refer to the earlier Report to do so. As the Chairperson has said, the Report that you are debating today is a product of the latter Report. The Committee harmonised the two reports with the Senate, and...

Hon. Muhia, insert your card in the intervention slot so that I can give you an opportunity to prosecute your point of order. Just get your card. There are staff members over there. You can send them to get your card so that you can insert in the intervention slot....

Allow him to finish his sentence. My advice to the Clerk-at-the-Table is that it is good to allow a Member to finish the sentence before cutting them off on the time.

Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Order. It is good to debate so that Kenyans are informed. Hon. Murugara, you can give us the page in the Report where the Committee accepted that proposal. The only thing they call overly ambitious is the proposal to implement it in this term of Parliament. The Committee accepted the...

Hon. Caroli, I am holding you to this because you are reading the Report of the Committee selectively. If you read paragraphs 88 and 89, it states that they agree with the Report and the two-thirds gender rule should be implemented through party lists. What they are saying is overly...

Well said. Thank you. Hon. Otiende Amollo.

Hon. Wanjiku Muhia, what is your point of order?

Of course, we shall have Quorum. Therefore, I order that the Quorum Bell be rung for the next five minutes. (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the-Table) Okay. The Quorum Bell shall be rung for ten minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Order, Hon. Members! I order that the Quorum Bell...

On a point of information, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Ochieng’. What is it? Hon. Speaker, we allow governors and the county governments to get away with too much. If there was a single time a governor should be impeached for gross misconduct, it is now. If the Senate was serious...

Well said. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, you need to plant more trees especially in Odiado Hills. You need to get the best species for Odiado Hills. Let us hear the Member for Moiben.

How many years do you have to wait before you make that quick money? Hon. Phylis Bartoo (Moiben, UDA) : Within two years. It is very lucrative because within two years, you get money, firewood and shade. In places where trees take a long time to grow and people do...

Hon. Umulkher Harun.

Member for Wajir North.