Pukose Robert

Hon. Speaker, I wish to withdraw the Papers that I laid on Wednesday, 11th October 2023, during the Morning Sitting on the Facilities Improvement Financing (Senate Bill No.43 of 2023) , and the Primary Health Care Bill (Senate Bill No.44 of 2023) . They had some errors. (Papers withdrawn) Hon....

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I want to urge my colleagues as we prepare for El Nino, we also put into consideration that there will be many water-borne and vector-borne diseases. We will have an upsurge of malaria cases. So, make sure you also support using the environment money by buying...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to thank the Leader of the Majority Party and second this Bill. Let me begin by thanking the Members of the Departmental Committee on Health that I chair for their dedication in preparing and tabling the Committee Report on the Bill. The Government of Kenya...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to contribute on this very important Bill. I stand to support the Primary Health Care Bill (Senate Bill No. 44 of 2023) . Let me begin by thanking Members of the Departmental Committee on Health that I chair, for their support in...

On a point of order. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Pukose, you have already contributed. What is out of order? Hon. Temporary Speaker, with all due respect, I am not interrupting Hon. Mayaka. I just want to inform her that the community health care workers are well...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. And thank you, Hon. Mayaka. I just want to say that there will be training for all the community health care promoters. It is not just a one-off training but a continuous medical training on prevention and early detection of diseases. They can also assist...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. If I heard correctly, the Vice-Chair of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs is talking of reducing the period from six months to three months. Or is it increasing it from three months to six months? He needs to come out clear on...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairman.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, my initial point of order was on what Hon. Oundo had said concerning the Vice-Chairman, who is a new member… The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : Hon. Pukose, you will take us back to where Hon. Shabbir had taken me. Hon. Oundo has spoken, and he...

I just wanted to seek clarification from the Departmental Committee on Education Chair. It is whether the TSC deals with policy and standards for ECDE institutions in counties. That can give us relevance as to whether this Bill should be dealt with at the Senate and whether that report should...

I want to support this because we are talking of replacing ‘who’ with ‘if the person offering, promising or giving’. We have seen in most cases where policemen receive bribes, the person giving the bribe is not arrested. So, this one is now taking care of the one giving. So...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Yes, Hon. Pukose. THAT, the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the Whole House be amended by inserting the words` ‘subject to recommittal of the provisions relating to the Public Holidays Act (Cap 110) .’ I ask Hon....

Thank you for allowing me to make some comments on the miscellaneous amendments Bill. I thank the Leader of the Majority Party and the Members for having stayed up to this hour to transact this very serious business. Of note is that there was some bit of confusion in the...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I proceed to move the Kenya Drugs Authority (Amendment) Bill No.54 of 2022 on Second Reading. I had initially started to move and I will continue. This Bill provides for the regulation of medicines. It, therefore, penalises the sale of adulterated and substandard medicine, and...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I beg to lay the following papers on the Table: Report on the Departmental Committee on Health on its consideration of; QUESTIONS AND STATEMENTS

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for allowing me to contribute to this important Motion by Hon. Makali. At the outset, let me say that I support the expansion of drug and substance abuse rehabilitation centres. Hon. Temporary Speaker, from the statistics given, you can see the age bracket that is...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, thank you for allowing me to contribute to these petitions. This issue concerns the KUSNET getting subscriptions from TSC Members without their consent. Hon. Temporary Speaker, this is height of impunity by TSC. As the Committee looks into it, this is something urgent. I know the Committee...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I stand to support this amendment because we have seen county governments giving waivers and discounts. It is clear that each county government can rate. The value of land within the various counties is not the same. It varies from one area to another. Therefore, counties can...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

I know, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Kaluma is a seasoned lawmaker in this House, but I got confused when he said he supports and opposes in part. Usually, when we vote in the House, you can vote by bringing amendments so that it can go the way you want. No...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to contribute to this Petition. From the outset, I support it. This is not the first time this Petition is coming before this House. We have had similar petitions in the past and have been lamenting and nothing is happening. I want...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to make a comment on the Statement by Hon. Anthony Oluoch on Kenya taking its police officers to Haiti. I want to dissociate myself from the comments made by the Leader of the Minority Party, with all due respect. Kenya has been known to participate...

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary for your responses. In your response, you referred to the Tobacco Control Act, 2007. This Act only talks of tobacco at the time we only had cigarettes. Nowadays, there are various forms of smoking. We have electrical cigarettes and pouches. As Members have said, the onus...

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Hon. Temporary Speaker, when we talk of intersex persons, this is a congenital malformation. In this case, someone is born with an abnormality within the genitalia where you cannot determine whether they are male or female. This happens sometimes. When we say hypospadias or epispadias, it depends on the position...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Listening to the Cabinet Secretary, I do not know whether the officers were able to go and look at the medical reports of those who had been admitted in the hospital, and the post mortem reports of the two who died. What were their post...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I want to thank the Cabinet Secretary for the responses she has given. On the last one, normally when we have an outbreak, the first thing to do is quarantine. I hope they will not repeat the mistake they did in Mukumu Girls High School where students...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to support this Motion by Hon. David Gikaria, Member for Nakuru East. I remember that this Bill came in the last Parliament and proceeded, only that it did not go to the Committee of the Whole House. I want to thank Hon....

THAT, the Kenya Drugs Authority Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.54 of 2022) , be now read a Second Time. The Bill has 97 clauses. It seeks to consolidate the regulation of health products and technologies in keeping with international best practices and guidance from the World Health Organisation (WHO) ....

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for allowing me to contribute to the Motion on Consideration of the Protocols Relating to Amendments of Articles 50 (a) and 56 of the Convention on International Civil Aviation 1944 (Chicago Convention) . Article 50 (a) of this Convention increases the membership from 36 to...

Hon. Speaker, I rise to support the Petition by Hon. Saney on matters asbestos. Asbestos inhalation is known to cause asbestosis I look forward to seeing the Report by the Public Petitions Committee. Those of us on the Departmental Committee on Health are ready to lend a hand in prosecuting...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for being magnanimous to allow me to table this statement. I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Departmental Committee on Health on its consideration of the Assisted Reproductive Technology Bill (National Assembly Bill No.61 of 2022) Thank you, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I represent Endebess Constituency which had no recruits. It does not appear on the list. Cabinet Secretary, what plans do you have to compensate constituencies where nobody was recruited?

THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended in paragraph (h) by inserting the words “within and” immediately after the words “health facilities”. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to) (Clause 3 as amended agreed to) Clause 4

THAT, Clause 7 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause 2 by —

THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended— Hon. Chairlady.

Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 11 of the Bill be amended by— Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 12 of the Bill be amended— Hon. Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 13 of the Bill be amended by inserting the following new subclauses immediately...

I want him to prosecute again. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Pukose, ask Hon. Melly to let you listen to Hon. Oluoch. Hon. Oluoch justify. I am trying to look for the amendment.

I think it is a good amendment. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be inserted in place thereof be inserted, put and agreed to) (Clause 14 as...

We had said in the amendment we have already done that we are aligning it with the provisions of the Data Protection Act No.24 of I beg to move: THAT, Clause 39 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (1) by deleting the word “date” appearing immediately after the words...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 48 of the Bill be amended by deleting the term “the” appearing in sub-clause (1) and substituting therefor the term “the”. Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is just to correct a minor error in drafting. (Question of the amendment proposed) (Question, that...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I reject that amendment because medical waste needs regulation which can be done by the Cabinet Secretary. Just a minute, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : As you put your thoughts together, let us have the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I reject the proposal by Hon. Anthony Oluoch to delete Clause 51 in its entirety because management of e-waste is key in terms of health information system. There is no conflict with the Sustainable Health Management Act No.31 of 2022. This is properly prosecuted as it is...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 52 of the Bill be amended— Hon. Temporary Chairman, Members of the Board of the Digital Health Agency are bound by the Constitution, the Data Protection Act No.24 of 2019, and the oath of secrecy signed under the Official Secrets Act...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that New Clause 61A be now read a Second Time. This is to make provision to the existing Health Data Management frameworks in the country. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed) (Question, that the new clause be read...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, allow me to consult Hon. Oluoch. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Oluoch, in the spirit of give and take, would you please give the Chairperson an ear. Hon. Oluoch, what is the agreement?

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Hon. T.J. Kajwang' has raised some issues about amendments, that there are amendments which might not have undergone public participation. You know that amendments are brought to this House by Members who have not participated in public participation and yet, those amendments are prosecuted. When...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 4 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) (c) by deleting the word “investing” appearing immediately after the word “receiving”; The Social Health Authority is not expected to have a surplus of funds. All funds will be expended towards the...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I reject the amendment by Hon. Oluoch. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : You cannot just reject. Give us the reasons. It is good to do so. (Laughter) I oppose it. In paragraph (i) , which he wants to delete, the provisions of the First Schedule...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, Hon. Oundo has said that the Authority will have complaints coming within itself. In the fair administration of justice, you must exhaust the internal mechanisms that you have in place. We have also established a Dispute Tribunal appointed by the Judicial Service Commission (JSC) to look into...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 6 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by—

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Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 8 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (2) by—

THAT, Clause 9 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “permission from the appointing authority” appearing in paragraph (b) and substituting therefor the words “lawful cause”. This is to prevent misuse of this provision as it is impractical to get permission to be absent from a Board meeting...

Hon. T.J., I have deleted that requirement in Clause 14 of the CEO being an advocate of the High Court of Kenya. I have done that. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. Leader of the Majority Party, go ahead.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 16 of the Bill be amended—

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 17 of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “upon the advice of the Salaries and Remuneration Commission” immediately after the word “determine”. This is to provide for the involvement of SRC which is responsible for advising the national and...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, this Social Health Insurance Fund will get its money from the Exchequer. Parliament will appropriate its budget. If the Board needs to make any adjustments, then it must be done through a supplementary budget like for any other State organ, or it can spend money and come...

My fellow Chairman, normally, entities make their budgets based on the proposals they have and then take the same to the mother Ministry. Through the mother Ministry, the proposals come to Parliament for appropriation. From there, the entities can spend their money. I do not know why people are opposing...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 24 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “may” appearing immediately after the words “Cabinet Secretary” and substituting therefor the words “shall in consultation with the Board”. This proposal makes it mandatory for the Cabinet Secretary to make regulations...

My colleagues have prosecuted it. What we do not want is abuse of the scheme where you put little and spend more. This will deplete the Social Insurance Fund, and other people will not be able to access it.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 26 of the Bill be amended by—

Hon. Dawood is a third-term Member of Parliament, and he knows the process when he wants to travel to Schengen. For Meru, he does not need a visa. So, in all other countries where we travel, you must attach your medical insurance when applying for a visa. That has been...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (6) by deleting the word “ten” appearing immediately after the words “equal to” and substituting therefor the word “two”. The proposed penalty of 10 per cent for failure to pay contribution is too...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 30 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “may” and substituting therefor the words “shall in consultation with the Board”. The amendment seeks to make it mandatory for the Cabinet Secretary to make regulations on implementation of the Emergency,...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, this amendment adds value to the Bill. I do not think there is a problem with that. (Hon. Anthony Oluoch raised his hand) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Oluoch, you are being supported. What have you forgotten?

Hon. Temporary Chairman. I beg to move: THAT, Clause 34 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (7) by inserting the words “and is liable upon conviction to a fine not exceeding one million, or to imprisonment for a term not exceeding two years or to both” immediately after the...

I oppose the proposed amendment by Hon. Oluoch in that I also have an amendment that I will move once we dispense with what Hon. Oluoch has. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Thank you. There was a question by Hon. Kangogo. I think you have decided not to...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 35 of the Bill be amended— Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 35 of the Bill be amended—

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. The claims settlement agent investigates and settles claims and is registered under the Insurance Act. The only thing the Leader of the Majority Party can do is to further amend it to read “as per the Insurance Act”. I think that would help. The Temporary...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 38. The Social Health Authority is not expected to have a surplus of funds as all funds will be expended towards provision of health services. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 40 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (4) by deleting the words “or in pursuance of an authorisation of the Board”. This is to enhance financial accountability as contemplated under the Public Finance Management Act (No.18 of 2012) . (Question...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 45 of the Bill be amended by— Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 46 of the Bill be amended by deleting the word “Committee” wherever it appears and substituting therefor the word “Tribunal”. This is just to align...

I beg to move: THAT, Clause 50 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause 2 (e) by deleting the words “which shall be within a period of one month from the date of submission of the claim”; The time-frame of settling claims ought to be set out in proposed regulations....

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 52 of the Bill be amended by deleting the words “risk spreading and”. The Social Health Insurance Fund, being a social Fund with one pool, is not supposed to provide enhanced schemes. As such, there is no need to spread risk....

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the New Clause 49A be now read a Second Time. In 49A (1) , it says, “The court before which any person is convicted of an offence under this Act may, without prejudice to any civil remedy, order such person to pay...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move that the New Clause 49A be now read a Second Time. (Question, that the new clause be read a Second Time, proposed) Recovery of sums due under this Act Act.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I wish to drop the amendment on (a) and b (i) (ii) , (iii) and retain amendment on (c) Paragraph 6. (Proposed amendment to (a) and b (i) , (ii) , and (iii) dropped)Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule of the Bill...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I oppose the amendment by Hon. Oluoch. The NHIF staff will not be affected by this new structure of the Authority. They will remain staff of NHIF for one year. During this period, the Authority will set up its structures. When they do so, they...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the First Schedule of the Bill be amended—

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, the Second Schedule to the Bill be amended by deleting sub-paragraph Hon. Temporary Chairman, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 2 of the Bill be amended— The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): I call upon the Mover to move reporting on the...

I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the House: Reports of the Departmental Committee on Health on its consideration of:

Hon. Speaker, I beg to second. Allow me to thank your Office and that of the Clerk for the immense support they have given the Departmental Committee on Health on the two Bills. I particularly want to mention the Director of Legal, Mr. Mwendwa, for providing us with eight legal...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Allow me to thank the Members of my Committee, beginning with my Vice-Chair, Hon. Patrick Ntwiga Munene, Member for Chuka/Igambang'ombe, Hon. Martin Pepela, Hon. Cynthia Muge, Hon. Mary Maingi, Hon. Pauline Lenguris, Hon. Anthony Kibagendi, Hon. Bishop Titus Kamala, Hon. (Dr) Joshua Odongo Oron, Hon....

Thank you, Hon. Junet. I have consulted with the Leader of the Majority Party. It is about ‘sponsoring of amendments.’ I am not talking of this or that side of the House. This House is alive to and is aware of the fact of cartels out there which are sponsoring...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I also want to thank Hon. Junet for being alert. I hope he will also be alert to the amendments sponsored by cartels. We want to streamline NHIF to be a transparent fund that offers services to our people. A sick Kenyan in Migori and...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I was not there in the morning to welcome them on behalf of the Departmental Committee on Health, but my Vice-Chair was there to do so. According to him, they had a very fruitful discussion. You are welcome to Kenya. I know you have been...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. The KMTC Board is, indeed, mandated by law, under Section 106 of the KMTC Act, to make admissions. This issue came before the Departmental Committee on Health, and we deliberated on it. KUCCPS, through a Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) with KMTC, agreed that it does...

Hon. Speaker, for any decision made by a committee, normally a report is prepared and tabled in the House for debate. Once debated, the House either rejects, accepts, or makes amendments. So, I think what the Leader of the Minority Party is asking to be done is unprocedural. I have...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, Endebess Constituency Neighbours Uganda and it is a good neighbour. The Turkana and the Karamoja are the same community. We should not sugar-coat that people carrying firearms to a foreign country had good intentions. We know that cattle rustlers and bandits who steal cows on the Kenyan...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to second the Food and Feed Safety Control Coordination Bill, 2023. At the outset, I thank my colleague, the Chairperson, Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, Hon. Mutunga, for graciously co-chairing deliberations on the Bill together with me. I also want to thank the Office...