Veronica Waheti Nduati

Sen. Beatrice Akinyi.

Madam Temporary Speaker, the spirit of equity has overtaken my faculties, but I profusely withdraw and apologise. My mind was caught up when you were doing an exchange with a substantive Speaker. My apologies. We respect you. We know Murang’a County will stand on the issue of equity. I hope...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I wanted to inform the Senator for Nandi County that he should inform the Governor of Isiolo County that through this formula, the good lady, our ranking Senator, is going to add to Isiolo County another Kshs400 million. So, the Governor should actually appreciate and acknowledge the...

Madam Temporary Speaker, it is the proudest moment, because the Senator for Isiolo County is adding Kshs400 million plus. We are proud of women's leadership in this country, including yours. I want to request and demand that the Governor of Isiolo County withdraws and instead appreciates the distinguished Senator, who...

Madam Temporary Speaker, Sen. Cherarkey has referred to me as a financier at that time. I would like him to substantiate the truthfulness of the statement he has made. It might send a bad signal out there. I was not in this Chamber in the last Senate.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I did not say he was the one financing the formula. I was saying he was the beneficiary of a win-win that we did that time because Mandera was losing.

I support this amendment with all my body organs. I am very sure, as a leader, I want to see equitable development across the country. Some of us will aspire for higher seats in this country in future. I want one day when I am in Nyamira, Sen. Omogeni will...

Before we proceed with debate on this Motion, I want to give Communication from the Chair. Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi nikaribishe shule hii iliyoko Mbeere South, Embu County. Karibuni sana muone yale tunatenda hapa. Tunaangalia mambo ya usalama na vile kaunti zetu zinaweza kupata pesa. Shule...

Thank you. I declined the same request, and I am not able to do that. Sen. Veronica, I will give you that favour next time. I know you are my good friend. Sen. Hezena Lemaletian, proceed.

vifaa vya kusaidia madaktari kutoa huduma ama hawajalipwa mishahara yao ambayo inawapa motisha ya kuendelea kutoa huduma zao. Lazima tutilie hayo maanani. Ingawa hata kama hujalipwa vizuri, hakuna mtu anayefaa kupoteza maisha.Nakubaliana na pendekezo kuwa familia ya mwendazake ilipwe fidhia. Hata hivyo, pesa zitakayolipwa haziwezi kulinganishwa na uhai wa binadamu....

Thank you, Hon. Senator. The putting of the question is deferred to a later session. (Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred) We now reorganize the Order Paper. I will ask the Clerk to call out Order No.20 THE BUSINESS LAWS AMENDMENT BILL, (SENATE BILLS NO.51 OF 2024)

This Bill intends to bring amendments to various laws that help us in business operations. Most importantly, it marks a positive step toward creating a conducive business environment for those wishing to invest in this country.The first law addressed in this Bill is the Investment Promotion Act, which is being...

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for protecting me and giving me an opportunity to address the House. There is something the Senators need to know that the Speaker could be nearing the moment when he needs support and leave the Chair. That is why he has fast-tracked my request.

compensated, not because it will bring her back, but as a way for the institution to acknowledge and show remorse for the negligence.To the Kenya Medical Practitioners and Dentists Council (KMPDC), if you truly want to support the medical profession, do not cover up cases. Instead, help those working in...

Thank you very much, Madam Temporary Speaker. I am one of those who missed the prayer breakfast. I am very happy to hear that those who attended are changing. I hope they will really change because they really require that change. I specifically think that the people who attended, were...

Thank you, Sen. Crystal Asige. For those who missed the prayer breakfast, I think you can already hear it has changed people. We hope next year, you will not miss the prayer breakfast. Proceed, Sen. John Methu.

Thank you, Sen. Methu. Let us now have Sen. Hamida. I hope you are not seated in that seat. Serjeant-at-Arms, you noticed that her seat malfunctioned and made her fall. You should have reacted faster. If that happens next time, the response time should reduce. She was down for a...

Thank you, Senator, for your contribution and for bringing the petition. Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, you may proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, when we resume, you will have a balance of 13 minutes, and this debate will continue tomorrow. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now

We are just agreeing on the need to have more consultation.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I wish to add my voice on this matter. I agree with colleagues that we need time to ventilate on this matter. Since we did not discuss the matters to conclusion in our kamkunji, these being important and urgent matters as we go towards the end of...

Thank you. Next is Sen. Mandago.

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda. Hata mimi, naunga mkono. Sio mambo ya kupigania kelele, wala kukosana. Walakini, ni jambo ya kuja pamoja na dialogue. Embu County ni mojawapo ya kaunti nyingi zilizotajwa hapa. Ni maombi yangu kuwa wakati tutakapokaa pamoja tuelewane na kaunti zote zipewe shilingi bilioni sita halafu mambo...

Thank you. Let us have Sen. Mundigi on the Floor and thereafter, Sen. Roba respond. After which, we shall close the matter.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I just thought that I must remind the House that during the last revenue formula debate, we benefited a lot by engaging our budget office here as well as the Commission on Revenue Allocation (CRA) .

Sen. Ali Roba, since you have donated one minute, I will give Sen. Olekina the one minute, so that I can give direction and we proceed.

Hon. Senators, in view of the prevailing mood in the House and the fact that the Mover of this Motion Sen. Ali Roba has conceded that it would be advantageous to have consensus; this Motion is deferred to the next sitting of the House as after negations are done.It could...

Can you second the report.

Thank you, Sen. Munyi Mundigi. It is duly seconded. (Several Senators stood up in their places) Resume your seats, Hon. Senators. (Question proposed) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, welcome to the House and congratulations. I am confident that you will carry out your mandate and make all the women proud. I have a supplementary to the Question asked by Sen. Catherine Mumma. In your response, you have indicated that 1,180 groups have benefited about 12,538...

Perhaps, the Hon. Cabinet Secretary can take time and bring the answer later. What is the Ministry doing to make sure the Fund is reaching many more women, especially seeing that those who have benefited here are very few? On the issue of security, it was in respect of what...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Madam CS, you know we have had high escalation of GBV cases and femicide. His Excellency the President has reiterated the Government's commitment in tackling GBV. To this end, an allocation of Kshs100 million was done under Article 223 of the Constitution. The Ministry...

Sen. Olekina, you may proceed.

Hon. Senators, I would like to acknowledge the presence, in the Public Gallery this afternoon, of visiting teachers and students from Tenwek High School in Bomet County. The delegation comprises two teachers and 49 students who are in the Senate for a one-day academic exposition. In our usual tradition of...

What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina?

Sen. Kisang’, can you clarify whether that is what you are asking for?

Sen. Ledama, are you clear now on the issue? I will give you one more minute to clarify. Sen. Kisang’, you minutes will be paused.

Thank you, Sen. Kisang’. Let us hear from Sen. M. Kajwang’ or should I take Sen. Korir first? Okay, we will hear from Sen. Korir.

Thank you, Sen. Korir. We will now hear from Sen. M. Kajwang’.

Thank you, Sen. M. Kajwang’. Proceed, Sen. Paul Thang’wa Karungo.

Proceed, Sen. Karungo.

Sen. Karungo, when the Senate resumes, you will continue to substantiate and offer the evidence needed on that issue raised by Sen. Joyce Korir. You will equally have a balance of 12 minutes to continue debating on the Division of Revenue Bill. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 1.00

Madam Temporary Speaker, I rise under Standing Order No.105. You know I also come from the great county of Nandi. Is Sen. Cherarkey, in order to allege that the Governor of Nandi has been issuing bouncing cheques to students from that county, without any reasons to substantiate in this House?...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I appreciate that is a very serious point. In our culture, it is unheard of where somebody you have given your daughter to marry questions you. That is beside the point.

I am willing to be given time to substantiate next week. I advise him that if he continues questioning people who gave him their daughter, we might under customary law, which the Constitution of Kenya recognizes, fine him a number of cows. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) : I...

It was just on a lighter touch. The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) : You will substantiate by Tuesday, next week. Sen. Cherarkey: Yes, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Madam Temporary Speaker, in the words of Jean-Marie Seroney and Martin Shikuku how, can I substantiate the obvious? It is a statement of fact. He spoke in Kisii. You and I are in the same WhatsApp group. I send you the video, Madam Temporary Speaker in order for you to...

Are you listening to the chair? You are barred from discussing his marital status because it was not part of the point of order. We are not quite sure whether Sen. Chimera is married from the Nandi County. So, refrain from referring to that marital status.

zinafungwa mapema ama watoto hawapewi chakula ilhali mwalimu mkuu hawezi rudisha watoto nyumbani kwa sababu ya karo. Audit nchini Kenya haifanywi vile inafaa. Hiyo inafaa iangaliwe. Kaunti zingine zina shida kwa sababu ya jua kali na ukosefu wa maji. Mfano mzuri ni Mbeere North na Mbeere South katika Kaunti ya...

What is your point of order,

There has been a misconception in our counties, where you will often find that Members of Parliament (MPs) sometimes award bursaries based on academic performance, assuming that a high-performing student automatically qualifies. No, a bursary is granted based on the principle that education is a right, and some individuals are...

Proceed, Sen. Boni Khalwale.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I so guided. This is a very serious matter. I am forever indebted to this distinguished Senator for Kiambu. You have drawn the attention of the country. Bursaries and their administration are expensive, wasteful and a conduit for mega corruption. By the time the money leaves the...

Sen. Okiya Omtatah, your time is up. Sen. Karen Nyamu, when you want to inform, you know the button to press for intervention. You can proceed and inform.

Both Articles 43 and 53.

Sen. Karen Nyamu, when you want to inform, you know the button to press for intervention. You can proceed and inform.

Sen. Eddy, you know the procedures in this House. When your time is up, the light turns red immediately and the microphone goes off.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity to debate this very important Motion that has been brought to the Senate by our colleague, Sen. Karungo Thang’wa. You may have noticed that all the Senators who have debated this Motion are very passionate about the decision that may be arrived...

Thank you, hon. Cabinet Secretary. We will now move to the next questions.

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, I have two supplementary questions. The first one is this; why have you reclassified Makueni County as a non-hardship area for teachers? Secondly, in Nairobi City County, the most vulnerable are situated in the informal settlements. How many public schools has the...

Madam Temporary Speaker, my question to the Cabinet Secretary is related to Question (b) by Sen. Maanzo. In senior secondary schools, that is where students choose subjects based on their competencies. We have Science, Technology, Engineering, and Mathematics (STEM) , Arts and Sports Science, and Social Sciences. For students to...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am grateful for what Sen. Mumma did. I was here but when I was told that a Member’s son had been arrested, I went there and I have managed to get him out on bond. The most important part of my question is that Makueni has...

Cabinet Secretary, you can proceed to respond to those questions. Sorry, before you do that, let us listen to Sen. Maanzo.

Cabinet Secretary, you need to confirm. Within which period will you bring back that response? The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Julius Migos Ogamba) : Two weeks, Madam Temporary Speaker.

Thank you, Senate Majority Leader. Cabinet Secretary, you can now tackle those questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Julius Migos Ogamba) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. On the question of reclassification of Makueni County as a non-hardship area, I think this is a general problem in the whole...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary (CS) , in view of the fact that the Question has been asked again, we will allow you between seven days to 14 days. However, if you can endeavor to provide that information within seven days, that will be good. That said, you will have up to...

Allow him two minutes, please. Sen. Thang’wa: Thank you Madam Temporary Speaker. Even the Public Finance Management Act supports fund consolidation and accountability and, of course, Vision 2030. What does success look like? One transparent bursary system that is supplementary capitation given directly to the schools. It is even better...

Hon. Senators, it is now 1.00

That is the end of that business. Sen. Veronica Maina, kindly approach the Chair. (Sen. Veronica Maina consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Clerk, let us go to the next Order.

Thank you, Senator for Nandi County, Sen. Cherarkey. Sen. Gloria Magoma Orwoba, proceed.

Sen. Sigei, what is your point of order?

Let us hear the second point of order by Sen. Kinyua, and then I will give guidance on the issues being raised on the points of order. Sen. Kinyua, please proceed.

Sen. Gloria, the point of order raised by Sen. Sigei is that, factually speaking, that Petition was committed to a joint sitting of the Senate Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations and the Committee on the JLAHR. So, stand guided.

I have not finished. On the second point of order, the committing of that Petition was by the Chairperson of this House, that is the Hon. Speaker, who has powers under the Standing Orders to commit the Petitions. Please stand guided on those two points of orders that have been...

Sen. Gloria, let me guide you finally on this matter. All Senators are within their rights when they raise a point of order, and they can have a right to raise at every second, especially if the Senator who is giving their contribution is raising issues that are objectionable or...

Sen. Gloria, the point of order raised by Sen. Sigei is that, factually speaking, that Petition was committed to a joint sitting of the Senate Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations and the Committee on the JLAHR. So, stand guided.

I have not finished. On the second point of order, the committing of that Petition was by the Chairperson of this House, that is the Hon. Speaker, who has powers under the Standing Orders to commit the Petitions. Please stand guided on those two points of orders that have been...

Sen. Gloria, let me guide you finally on this matter. All Senators are within their rights when they raise a point of order, and they can have a right to raise at every second, especially if the Senator who is giving their contribution is raising issues that are objectionable or...

Sen. Gloria, you know that when points of order are raised, it is based on what you are submitting on the Floor of the House. It is based on those submissions that objections will be made. So, ideally, what you should do when you take up the Floor is utilise...

Sen. Gloria, I want to assure you that the point of orders took about three minutes, and your time was frozen on those points of orders. Proceed.

Madam Temporary Speaker, she is making a lot of sense and so, with a lot of humility, I wanted to know---

Madam Temporary Speaker, I was apologising to the petitioner, Mr. Laban, that he has brought a very strong Petition. Unfortunately, it has landed on the wrong table in terms of who should look into it in my opinion. I want to apologise to him because I am a Member of...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I wanted to say this when she was on the Floor. It is not true that the Committee only has lawyers. We have two very serious members who are well grounded in civil society. That is Sen. Crystal Asige and Sen. Okiya Omatatah. These are members who...

Yes, you can refer to the work of the committee, but not to debate specific Members. I guess her contribution should be taken within the context of reference to the specific committees that generated the Report. She withdrew the aspect of the ill motive, so that it was the work...

Sen. Kinyua, I have guided you. Please resume your seat and allow Sen. Gloria to speak. You are using her very few minutes wrongly.

Thank you. What is your point of order, Sen. Osotsi?

Thank you for raising that point of order. In an actual sense and very strictly speaking, that is the position, that you do not debate Members unless you have a substantive Motion. We had guided Sen. Gloria and she withdrew the aspect that dealt with the ill motive, the insinuation...

Thank you, Sen. Karen. We have concluded contributions to this Motion.

Thank you, Sen. Osotsi. I have listened to your plea and empathize deeply with your situation, particularly the emergency you faced. I hope it has been resolved. This House, however, is guided by Standing Orders. I wish to refer you to Standing Order No.36, which I will also highlight for...

Sen. Gloria, what is your point of order before I give a ruling to Sen. Osotsi?

Thank you, Sen. Sigei. Putting of the question is hereby deferred to the next sitting of this House. (Putting of the question on the Motion deferred) Hon. Senators, I would like to defer Order Nos.16 to 21 because Movers of all those Bills and Motions are not present in the...

Thank you, Sen. Osotsi. I have listened to your plea and empathize deeply with your situation, particularly the emergency you faced. I hope it has been resolved. This House, however, is guided by Standing Orders. I wish to refer you to Standing Order No.36, which I will also highlight for...

Hon. Senators, we have come to the end of the sitting. There being no other business on the Order Paper, the Senate stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 10th April, 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 5.47 p.m. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS (STATE OFFICERS REMOVAL FROM OFFICE) PROCEDURE BILL (SENATE...