Veronica Waheti Nduati

Hon. Members, we are back to Session. I will request the Chairperson of the Committee dealing with the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bills No. 16 of 2023) to report. PROGRESS REPORTED THE COUNTY ALLOCATION OF REVENUE BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 16 OF 2023)

We need to tell the owners of multinational companies even if they are in London and are powerful, whoever they are, that they cannot muzzle and intimidate leaders from speaking against tea plucking machines taking the jobs of our young people and men.We shall speak the truth. We want to...

Hon. Senators, I now invite the Chairperson to report on the Preservation of Human Dignity and Enforcement of Economic and Social Rights Bill (Senate Bills No. 7 of 2022) , Sen. Mumma.

I now invite the Mover of this Motion, Sen. Mungatana, to move.

Thank you, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. (Question proposed) Hon. Senators, the House now resumes the usual business and I request the Clerk to call the next Order. THE AGRICULTURAL AND LIVESTOCK EXTENSION SERVICES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.12 OF 2022) Sen. Mutinda.

Sorry to interrupt you Sen. Mungatana, MGH. Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, it is good you pay very keen attention to the remarks being made by Sen. Mungatana MGH.

Sen. Wambua, you know that is the sponsor of the Bill. She could be telling me something serious about it.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, concentrate. (Sen. Tabitha Mutinda resumed her seat)

We have a point of order from Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Sen. Mumma, do you want to inform Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale on any issue?

Sen. Olekina, your point is heard, but unfortunately or fortunately, that issue had been addressed. In fact, ideally, if Senators were a little active, they would have raised an issue, but they did not. Maybe I will have to repeat the direction I gave earlier. There was an objection raised....

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I want to direct that we refrain from making conclusion that it is plagiarism because that is a serious offence. We will pend it until we have a proper understanding of what happened. It is difficult for me to make any determination without having the other Bill...

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30

Sorry to interrupt you Sen. Mungatana, MGH. Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, it is good you pay very keen attention to the remarks being made by Sen. Mungatana MGH.

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana. We will now have Sen. Osotsi.

What is your point of order, Sen. Olekina?

Sen. Olekina, your point is heard, but unfortunately or fortunately, that issue had been addressed. In fact, ideally, if Senators were a little active, they would have raised an issue, but they did not. Maybe I will have to repeat the direction I gave earlier. There was an objection raised....

Thank you Sen. Osotsi. We will now have Sen. Munyi Mundigi of Embu County.

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30

Hon. Senators, I now invite the Chairperson to give the report. Sen. Wakili Sigei, you may proceed.

I now call upon the Mover Sen. Mungatana.

Hon. Senators, I now call upon the Chairperson, Sen. Wakili Sigei to report on The Natural Resources (Benefit Sharing) Bill (Senate Bills No.6 of 2022) .

I call upon the Mover of the Motion, Sen. Mungatana.

Sen. Mungatana, can you invite a Seconder?

Next Order. THE EMPLOYMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 11 OF 2022) (Bill deferred)We will defer the resumption of debate on that Bill as the Mover is not here.

What is your point of order Sen. Madzayo? What is your comment, Sen. Methu?

Sen. Methu, you are out of order because I was going to rule on the issue of quorum. (Sen. Madzayo stood up in his place) Sen. Madzayo, please, resume your seat. I am dealing with it. Resume your seat. I am dealing with the proceedings. (Sen. Madzayo resumed his seat)...

Yes, my Chairman of the caucus can dully inform me. I know he was attending very serious Government business. I did not know he was meticulous enough to finish and come back in good time. However, the point I was making was that, especially from our region; every time a...

What is your point of order?

Thank you Senator. We have a Statement by Senator for Taita-Taveta County, Sen. Mwaruma.

I thank you Sen. Methu. We can have Sen. Sifuna to give his Statement.

Debate is now open on this Bill. There being no one wishing to contribute on this Bill, I will defer the putting of the question to give the Mover time to respond. (Putting of the question on the Bill deferred) Next Order. Second Reading SUPPLY OF CLEAN PIPED WATER TO...

Thank you Senator. We have a Statement by Senator for Taita-Taveta County, Sen. Mwaruma. STATE OF PUBLIC SERVICE WORKFORCE OF THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT OF TAITA-TAVETA

Thank you, Senator. Next Order. THE EMPLOYMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 11 OF 2022) Debate is now open on this Bill. There being no one wishing to contribute on this Bill, I will defer the putting of the question to give the Mover time to respond. (Putting of the...

I confirm that there is no quorum. Serjeant-at-Arms, could you ring the bell for 10 minutes. ADJOURNMENT

Senator, the question.

Sen. Murang’o, please proceed.

Hon. CS, please, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development (Hon. Njeru) : Madam Temporary Speaker, it is true and I agree with the Senator. We have 14 colonial villages that we are working on. Actually, we are slightly constrained with finances but within the...

Sen. Chute, there cannot be a point of order.

Hon. CS, I know these questions are not exactly supplementary but I will give you a chance so that you can try and tackle them. Hon. Senators, let us keep the supplementary question connected to the original Question that was asked by the Hon. Senator.The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public...

Hon. Njeru, please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development (Hon. Njeru) : Madam Temporary Speaker, as I had indicated earlier, as a Ministry, we are ready to do all those things, that is, demarcation and adjudication to all those areas that have been declared....

Sen. Seki, that is a very important question, but we are once again going in the opposite direction of how the questions should be taken. We have agreed that supplementary questions should offshoot from the substantive question. For a specific question, the CS might require specific answers from the specific...

Sen. Cherarkey, yes, it is good to keep the question so that he understands the question he is answering. I believe CSs are serious people but they can defend themselves. Hon. CS, please, respond to that. The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development (Hon. Njeru) :...

Hon. Senators, to assist in this process and make it more qualitative, once again, put in your primary Questions with the Clerk. I will now invite Sen. Methu. Follow the rules of supplementary Question that is relevant to the original Question.

Hon. Senators, we will keep it to the Questions. Sen. Mandago, proceed.

Sen. Cherarkey has the Floor.(Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record)(Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly)Sen. Cherarkey, you will allow Sen. Mandago to address the House. You are out of order, Sen. Cherarkey(Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly)Sen. Cherarkey, I require you to cede the Floor to Sen. Mandago. Sen. Mandago, proceed.

Hon. CS--- (Sen. Cherarkey stood in his place) Sen. Cherarkey, you will follow the directions of the Chair. (Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly) No. Hon. CS, can you respond. (Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly) Proceed, Hon. CS. (Sen. Cherarkey consulted loudly) No! Wait for CS. Sen. Cherarkey, please follow the directions of...

Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

I now call upon Senators to make contributions to the Motion, beginning with Sen. Gataya Mo Fire

Hon. Senators, we now call upon the Mover to respond seeing there are no other requests for debates.

Pursuant to Standing Order No. 84 (1) , I hereby make a determination that the matter does not affect counties and the putting of the question is deferred to 2.30 p.m. (Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred) Next Order. PROVISION OF FREE SANITARY TOWELS TO END PERIOD POVERTY...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I rise to support the Statement by Sen. Cherarkey. The story of KQ is a sad one. For the longest time, KQ was the Pride of Africa. It was the leading airline even ahead of South African Airways. It was also ahead...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, on behalf of the Senate Majority Leader, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, pursuant to Standing Order 139, the Senate resolves to reduce the publication period of the County Allocation of Revenue Bill (Senate Bills No.16 of 2023) from seven (7) days to five (5)...

Thank you, Senator. I direct that the Division be put in tomorrow’s Order Paper, at 2.30 p.m. ADOPTION OF THE REPORT ON THE STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS (EXEMPTION FROM EXPIRY) REGULATIONS, 2022

Thank you, Sen. Cherakey. (Question proposed) Hon. Senators, this matter is now open for debate and contribution from the Members. I call upon Sen. Ali Roba to contribute.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Okenyuri, you have the Floor.

Sen. Korir, you have the Floor.

We are sending a message to the Executive that they must take their work seriously for the benefit of this country.I, therefore, beg to reply and request that you defer the putting of the question to a later date pursuant to Standing Order No.66 (3).I thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker....

Sen. Kavindu Muthama, have you moved the Motion?

Thank you, Sen. Beth Syengo. Kindly, proceed, Sen. Korir.

You recently saw what is happening in churches. The churches need to be secured every Sunday or Saturday for the Adventists. You saw what happened in our neighbouring country of Congo, where a church was attacked and 58 worshippers died. The terrorist was a Kenyan who had been indoctrinated. He...

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Methu, you have the Floor. We have three more Senators interested in this debate. I hope you will be considerate of the time.

Thank you, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire. I now invite Sen. Cherarkey.

The bombs in Dar es Salam and Nairobi City erupted simultaneously. They named them the Ken Bomb and Tan Bomb and they collected a lot of evidence and information. These people are thorough in their jobs and have their records.I agree with those who spoke before me that there is...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity to continue. You gave me an opportunity to thank our brothers and sisters who performed very well in the London and Boston Marathons a few weeks ago. The biggest challenge is doping that is not only affecting athletics, but also football and...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for this opportunity to contribute to this Motion. I will be very brief. I thank the Chair for giving this direction. It shall be remembered and it is on record, that yesterday the Speaker actually asked that we bring a Motion and we form an...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I wish to just say a few words. This Committee will investigate some extremely sensitive security matters. It has been alluded in this House, that there could have been collusion. It is because there is no way this kind of thing could have been going...

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii ilinichangie Hoja ambayo imeletwa na Seneta wa Kaunti ya Kakamega, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. Ninaunga mkono hii Hoja na majina yote ambayo yamepekezwe tukianzia na Sen. Faki, Sen. Mungatana, MGH, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda na Sen. Abdul Haji. Ninafurahia vile

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I rise to support the Motion that has been moved by the Majority Whip. It is timely and very important at a time like this, where churches have been turned into death chambers. As I rise to support, I do agree with Sen. Mumma that...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I thank you for giving me this opportunity to contribute to this Motion by the Senate Majority Whip. The people who have been appointed to lead this investigation are worthy people. I have a lot of trust in them. I thank Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale for recognizing this...

Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii. Nachukua fursa hii kuunga mkono Hoja hii na Kamati iliyoteuliwa. Hawa ni watu ambao wana uwezo na ujuzi wa kutekeleza haya majukumu. Kwanza, ijulikane wazi ya kwamba jukumu hili tunalowapa kama Seneti sio jukumu ndogo. Ni nzito. Nimemsikiza Sen. Mungatana, MGH,...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I want to confess that at one time I was a member of a select Committee, like this one, which was investigating the death or the assassination of a former Minister of Foreign Affairs in Kenya, Dr. Robert Ouko. Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to warn...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. The silence of those who could have spoken then, the indifference of those who could have known better and the inaction of those who could have acted, have brought us to these insane levels of impunity orchestrated by this cult leader in the name of...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am rising on Standing Order No.105. Is the Senator in order to talk about the handshake regime when the Speaker has ruled in this House that there is nothing called ‘the handshake Government’? Secondly, is she in order to mislead this House that this problem was...

Madam Temporary Speaker, I withdraw the use of the word ‘handshake.’ It is in the public domain. From what we have seen and has been revealed, the timing of the activities of this cult under the leadership of Pastor Ezekiel was when our former President got a collaborative Government with...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for allowing me two minutes to contribute on this weighty and important matter to our country. I thank my leader and brother, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. The history of this country will view you well. If you look at the issues that we are dealing with...

Asante Spika wa Muda kwa kunipa hii fursa ya kuchangia swala hili ambalo ni muhimu katika Jamhuri hii ya Kenya. Nampongeza Seneta wa Kaunti ya Kakamega, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, kwa kuleta Hoja hii ili jambo hili lishughulikiwe kwa

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support the Motion. Let me start by passing my condolences message to the families who lost their relatives through this macabre commission by one psychopath called Mackenzie. However, as I commend the team that has been put together to look at...

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Oketch Gicheru.

Your time is up. Sen. Cherarkey, please, proceed.

It is ‘Madam Temporary Speaker.’

It is ‘Madam Temporary Speaker.’

Thank you, Senators, for this debate. Pursuant to Standing Order No. 84 (1) , I hereby make a determination that the matter does not affect counties. (Question put and agreed to) Clerk, next Order. THE EQUALIZATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL (SENATE BILL NO.3 OF 2023) Njia ya pili ambayo ilinuiwa kuhakikisha...

Today in the morning, the President of the Republic of Kenya, Dr. William Ruto, assented to the DORB into law. Sen. Mwaruma and I have the benefit of having served in this House together. This is very cheap politics that our brothers from the Minority side are trying to sell...

Sen. Mwaruma, can you clarify whether you indicated that the money going to counties has been reduced?

Are you satisfied, Sen.

You can continue.

Your time will be paused.

Proceed, Sen. Mwaruma.

Do you wish to be informed by Sen. Oketch Gicheru?

money because it is inflation. There is inflation in the calculation, but the real money is actually Kshs350 billion in terms of the real money.

What is your point of order?

Pose at that Sen. Oketch Gicheru. What is your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey?

Bi. Spika wa Muda, nimeona taa lakini ukweli ni kwamba nimeongea tu kwa dakika tano. Huo ndio ukweli wa mambo kwa sababu kumekuwa na points of order na point of information. Kwanza, nilifikiri kwamba nitaenda mpaka mwisho wa huu wakati. Hiyo taa inanishangaza. Nizimieni taa basi! Nizimie taa, Bi. Spika...

Time is up, Senator. We even added you a few more minutes. It is now Sen. Tabitha Keroche’s time. (Sen. Mwaruma spoke off record) Resume your seat, Sen. Mwaruma. I have already called out Sen. Tabitha Keroche. (Loud consultations) Asante, Bi. Spika wa Muda. Kama hizi pesa zilikuwa za kujenga...

Hon. Senators, it is now