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Sen. Beatrice Ogola, please, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Orwoba.

Gloria, do you want to be informed by Sen. (Dr.) Oburu?

Sen. Gloria.

Sen. Mo Fire, what is your point of order?

Very well. Sen. Gloria.

Senator Agnes Kavindu.

Sen. Hillary Sigei.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda proceed.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT, Clause 7 of the Bill be amended in subclause (2) by deleting paragraph (j) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph — Division will be at the end. Clause 7

Division will be at the end. Clause 37The Senate Majority leader (

Division will be at the end. New Clause 8CThe Senate Majority leader (

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- Division will be at the end. The Third Schedule(Question, that the Third Schedule be part of the Bill, proposed) The Temporary Chairperson ( Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- 17 of Cap 66. 4. Section 17 of the principal Act...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, pursuant to Standing Order No. 153, I beg to move that the Committee of the Whole do report to the Senate its consideration of the Election Offences (Amendment) (No.2) Bill (Senate Bills No. 28 of 2024) and seek leave to sit again tomorrow. (Question proposed) (Question...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to report that the Committee of the Whole has considered the Cancer Prevention and Control (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 45 of 2022) and seeks leave to sit again tomorrow.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the Elections (Amendment) (No.2) Bill (Senate Bills No.29 of 2024) be now read a Second Time. This is a very interesting legislation. I have been at the Bomas of Kenya in 2013, 2017, and 2022 either as a party operative or...

Thank you, Senator. It is so deferred. (Putting of the question on the Motion deferred) Hon. Senators, I will further rearrange the Order Paper, so that we go to Order No.25. Clerk, please call it out. THE ELECTIONS (AMENDMENT) (NO. 2) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.29 OF 2024) Senate Majority Leader,...

Thank you, Senator. Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale.

Hon. Senator, I have no problem with you spending less time than you are allocated. However, the procedure in the House is that after you speak, I have to give an opportunity to the other side.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, you have the Floor.

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, proceed.

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 14th November, 2024, at 2.30 p. m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m.

Sen. Wambua, what is your clarification?

Yes, Sen. Mumma, what is your clarification?

Senator of Murang’a, what is your clarification?

Sen. Abass?

community selection committee that is set up in the localised and devolved areas, who then identify those students who are going to be beneficiaries of the Elimu scholarships. That is the answer that I have at the moment.With respect to whether the Ministry of Education can train the Board of...

Senator, I would have to put an end to this line of questioning. What is your point of clarification? Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there is something that Sen. Wambua is trying to raise. I have served in this Parliament, previously in the National Assembly, as a Vice-Chairperson to the Committee...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Ministry of Education is supposed to make policies. The TSC does not make any policies. The money comes from the Ministry of Education.

Hon. Senators, at this point we have to proceed. Sen. Abass, what is your clarification?

To Part (a) of the Question, out of the 144 schools, 98 have electricity either from the national grid or through solar power. Sixty-three schools are connected to the water supply. The status of the school connection to water and electricity per sub-county in Isiolo County is as stipulated in...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. First, I am disappointed with the response given by the Cabinet Secretary. I had expected he would give me the list of the schools that are connected to electricity and the ones that are not, but the response is general. It only gives the number...

I give you two minutes.

Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Ogamba) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the first part of providing the particularised list of those schools. We will provide you with that list and send it to you so that it aligns with the information we have...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this will be a quick one. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you will agree with me that education is the greatest opportunity that can help in bridging the gap between the inequalities among regions and persons in Kenya. Looking at the answers you have given about Isiolo County...

Sen. Mumma, ask your question because we are running out of time.

Thank you, Senator. We will take the last question from Commissioner, Sen. Joyce, very quickly.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I rise to ask Question No.111. Could the Cabinet Secretary tell us: Thank you. Hon. Senators, we are going to try and move very fast. There are three Questions remaining by Sen. Mbugua, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale and Sen. Mumma. We will, therefore, take the...

Sen. Catherine Mumma? Question No.115. Question No.115 STATUS UPDATE ON THE PREPARATION FOR TRANSITION OF JSS LEARNERS TO GRADE 9

Thank you. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, Question No.36. Question No.036 RECRUITMENT OF 36,505 TEACHERS COUNTRYWIDE

Yes, Catherine Mumma?

Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, you can proceed to answer those questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Ogamba) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. On the question by Sen. George Mbugua, in the Financial Year 2024/2025 at the Primary School Level, Kshs166.9 million was allocated as free primary education...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, allow me to thank the Cabinet Secretary. In many years, I have hardly gotten such a comprehensive answer. You have given me an annexure of all the people who participated in the interview. I want you to take administrative action against the person in charge of...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Just one, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, because we do not have time.

Hon. Senators, it is now 1.10 p.m. Having concluded the business for which I extended the hours of the Sitting, pursuant to Standing Order No.34 (2) (A) , the Senate stands adjourned until today, 30th October, 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 1.10 p.m. Thank you, Cabinet Secretary....

Thank you, Sen. Okiya Omtatah. Proceed, Sen. Ali Roba?

Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

(Applause)

Sen. Khalwale, should I remind you?

There is a point of order from Sen.

Sen. M. Kajwang’, proceed.

Sen. M. Kajwang’, do you want to be informed by Sen. Crystal Asige?

Proceed, Sen. Crystal Asige.

Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Asige, do you have a point of order?

Yes, Sen. M. Kajwang’ what is your point of order?

(Laughter)

Sen. Eddy, may I caution you again. You are talking about a page and Sen. Asige is asking that information be substantiated. We have to move on. Sen. Cherarkey, you have to substantiate this matter on the status of Asige.

Very well.

Sen. Cherarkey, would you like to be informed?

Sen. Sifuna, please proceed.

Okay, Sen. Osotsi, please proceed.

(Applause)

Sen. Karungo Thang’wa, you have the Floor.

Senator, it is okay, but you were audible enough.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I did not mean to say that he does not understand English. Maybe I was speaking too fast for him to comprehend. That is why I decided to slow down and explain to him or the House that the President is aware that counties are struggling....

Sen. Madzayo, hoja yako ya nidhamu ni gani?

yalikuwa ni majadiliano kulingana na vile ambavyo hatukuwa tumeelewana katika ugavi wa pesa zinazoenda kwenye serikali zetu za mashinani.Majabali wetu waliokuwa katika hii Kamati wakiongozwa na Sen. Ali Roba, walikuwa Sen. Sifuna, Sen. Murgor, Sen. Faki, Sen. Veronica Maina, Sen. Onyonka, Sen. Wamatinga, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda Odhiambo, SC, Sen....

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yalikuwa ni majadiliano kulingana na vile ambavyo hatukuwa tumeelewana katika ugavi wa pesa zinazoenda kwenye serikali zetu za mashinani.Majabali wetu waliokuwa katika hii Kamati wakiongozwa na Sen. Ali Roba, walikuwa Sen. Sifuna, Sen. Murgor, Sen. Faki, Sen. Veronica Maina, Sen. Onyonka, Sen. Wamatinga, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda Odhiambo, SC, Sen....

Sen. Samson Cherarkey.

Sen. Esther Okenyuri, you may proceed.

zingine bilioni kumi na sita ama kumi na mbili ndizo hubaki za kuwafanyia wananchi kazi.Hamna madawa hospitalini, miradi iliyokuwa inaendelea ya maji haifanyiki, pesa zote zinazotoka kwa donors zimesimamishwa katika Kaunti ya Kisii, kwa sababu vigezo vyote ambavyo vimekwa na wafadhili vimekiukwa. Gavana alipoingia huko alitoa wale waliokuwa wakitia signature...

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Onyonka, proceed.

Sen. Onyonka, this debate shall resume in the afternoon. You will have a remainder of eight minutes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 1.00 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until today, Wednesday, 27th November, 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 1.00 p.m.

Sen. Sifuna, you may proceed.

Thank you, Sen. Sifuna. I was hoping that when you were talking about the honeysuckers, you would have informed the House that they discharged their sewer in rivers. We have that problem. Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Thank you, Sen. Faki proceed.

Sen. Wahome Wamatinga.

Sen. Daniel Maanzo, please, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Abbas.

Proceed, Sen. Beatrice Ogola.

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Kisang.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Hamida Kibwana, you have the Floor.

Sen. Wakili Sigei, proceed.

Sen. Wakili Sigei, when we resume this debate, you will have a remaining time of 14 minutes. ADJOURNMENT

Sen. Okiya Omtatah proceed.

Thank you. Sen. Olekina, please proceed.

Proceed, Sen. Mo Fire.

Sen. Thang’wa, you have the Floor.

What is your point of order, Sen. Mungatana?

One moment, Sen. Thang’wa, there is a point of order from Sen. Mungatana.

Sen. Thang’wa, proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Mungatana?

Sen. Mungatana, I will have to overrule your point of order on the fact that the only comparison the Senator for Kiambu County made was in terms of expediency. He could have taken any other case and used it as an example, but he has the right to choose. I...

Honorable Senators, I shall defer calling the Mover to reply, since the Mover is not around. I shall also reorganize the Order Paper and go to Order No.18. (Reply to the Motion deferred) Next Order. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT ELECTION LAWS AMENDMENT BILL (SENATE BILL NO.2 OF 2024) Sen. Crystal Asige...

Asante, Bw. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii. Kwanza kabisa ninamshukuru Seneta wa Isiolo, Sen. Fatuma Dullo, kwa swali aliuliza ili tupate mwelekeo, na tumeupata. Ninamshukuru Sen. Dullo sababu amekuwa mzoefu na amekuwa kwa Seneti hii kwa muda mrefu. Swali alilouliza ni swali nzuri kwa sababu, gavana Guyo anahitajika...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to congratulate you for that Communication that you have made. I also congratulate Sen. Dullo for escalating this matter to the Plenary. As a chair of a Committee, I have been seized of this matter and I am one of those chairs or...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Inspector- General of Police was vetted by this House. Someone who is an appointee of the Senate cannot then have the guts to defy legitimate instructions and directions of the Senate. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, the Senator for Kakamega, has gone down in history as having...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I stand here as a governor who has served 10 years and who has appeared before various committees, including that of Sen. M. Kajwang’, severally. As a governor from my region of northern Kenya, it is a bit embarrassing when various committees invite you...

Thank you. Sen. Oketch Gicheru, proceed. (Sen. Chimera consulted loudly)

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Allow me first to raise a point of concern on our systems. We need to figure out how to deal with this issue in our systems because we are facing an important issue tomorrow. If it happens that every time we are queuing to...

Asante sana, Mstahiki Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa hii nafasi. Kwanza kabisa, ni jambo la aibu kwa sababu aliye gavana wa Kaunti ya Isiolo, mhe. Abdi Guyo alikuwa Mwakilishi Wadi ya Matopeni. Wakati huo nilikuwa Mwakilishi Wadi wa Kerugoya. Mhe. Guyo, pia alikuwa Kiongozi wa Wengi kama mimi. Nilipokuja Seneti,...

Asante sana, Bw. Spika wa Muda. Naunga mkono vile Maseneta 47 wa kaunti zote wanavyoongea. Nikiwa mwanachama wa Kamati ya Leba na Ustawi wa Jamii, tumekuwa na vikao vitatu ambavyo pia vimehudhuriwa na Seneta wa Isiolo, Sen. Dullo. Kumekuwa na shida sana kwa sababu tumekuwa tukimtaka gavana wa Isiolo afike...

Asante sana, Bw. Spika wa Muda, kwa fursa hii. Naomba nikupongeze kwa Hoja hii muhimu sana kwa uendeshaji wa shughuli za Seneti. Mienendo ya gavana wa Isiolo sasa imekuwa donda ndugu. Mimi ni mwanachama wa Kamati ya Kudumu ya Uwiano wa Kitaifa, Usawa na Ushirikiano wa Kanda. Bunge hili katika...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I support the Motion by the Senator of Isiolo. I have been around for the last close to two years now. I serve in various committees, including being the Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation in the Senate I have observed with a...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Let me start by appreciating Senator for Isiolo County, Sen. Dullo, for bringing this important Motion before this House. In the Committee on Finance and Budget that I sit and serve as Vice-Chairperson, we have dealt with the issue of the pending bills for...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this one for Isiolo County.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I wish to congratulate the Senator of Isiolo County for bringing this very important matter before this House. I also join my colleagues, hon. Senators, in condemning the act done by the governor of Isiolo County who has decided not to appear before the...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. We are facing a very bad crisis. This afternoon a Senate of the Republic of Kenya is discussing a conduct of a governor who has refused to respond to summons issued by the Senate. Even in the most advanced democracies, you can never refuse...

Sen. Cherarkey, please proceed. Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I would like to support the Senate Standing Committee on Finance and Budget for this report. I agree with them that they should reject the amendments from the National Assembly. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I always get...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, Sir, my point of order is on Standing Order No.41, on the Quorum during the proceedings of the Senate. Do we have a quorum to proceed?

Hon. Senators, it seems we do not have a quorum. Serjeant-At-Arms, please ring the Bell for 10 minutes. (Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, having failed to attain quorum at the expiry of 10 minutes, the Senate stands adjourned pursuant to Standing Order No.41 (2) (a) until tomorrow, 16th...

Hon. Senators, there being no other Senator wishing to contribute, I call upon the Mover to reply. Sen. Mumma?

Thank you, Senator. This Motion will be deferred to a later date. (Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred) Next Order. NOTING OF REPORT ON THE EXTRAORDINARY SESSION OF THE SIXTH PARLIAMENT OF PAP

Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, proceed.

Thank you, Se. (Prof.) Kamar. Sen. Esther, Okenyuri, you have the Floor.

Thank you, Senator. Proceed, Sen. Ogola.

Sen. Ogola, you will have a remainder of seven minutes when this Motion resumes. ADJOURNMENT

Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, please, go ahead. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : The first question was if I could explain the inordinate delay in processing and disbursing pension benefits to retired civil servants and their specific pensioners whom the Ministry has...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, could you, please, respond to that. The Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. My commitment to Sen. Wakili Sigei is that the two cases have been addressed. The second case had a little bit of...

Sen. Osotsi, you also have a question.

Proceed, hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I want to thank the hon. Senators for the questions raised. I will start with Sen. Tabitha Mutinda’s question. Sen.Tabitha Mutinda, I agree with you. Let us...

Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I thank Sen. Lemaletian for asking the questions on behalf of the Senator for Kisumu County. I will respond to the questions raised. This is...

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you have a supplementary question.

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for the National Treasury and Economic Planning (Hon. John Mbadi) : Thank you, for the very generous comments from Sen. Lemaletian and the other Senators. Let me address the issues raised by Sen. Oketch Gicheru on the procurement of the e-to-e system and the impact...

Thank you, Senator. We shall defer putting the question to tomorrow. (Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred) Next Order. NOTING OF REPORT ON THE 9TH IPU CONFERENCE OF YOUNG PARLIAMENTARIANS HELD IN HANOI NOTING OF REPORT ON THE 147TH ASSEMBLY OF IPU HELD IN LUANDA, ANGOLA NOTING OF...