Haji Abdul Mohammed

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. We have come to the end of the session with the hon. Cabinet Secretary.

Sen. Dullo, I have not been informed that you and Sen. Onyonka had requested to ask questions, but if you are talking about your name appearing on the schedule, there were several Senators before you. However, because of time, we had set a time to finish with this Cabinet Secretary...

Unfortunately, your name was called. You were on the schedule, but you were not present. Allow Sen. Dullo to ask her question.

Sen. Onyonka, one minute.

Cabinet Secretary? The Cabinet Secretary for Co-operatives and Micro, Small and Medium Enterprises Development (Hon. Wycliffe Oparanya) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the first supplementary question about county governments budgeting for trade, unfortunately, as the Cabinet Secretary, I have no control over the budget of county governments. However, what...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, that is the impression that we also had. We expected the CS to be appearing here, but the clerks and the Serjeant-at-Arms have checked and confirmed that he is not at the waiting area where he is supposed to be. That is why we have this delay....

Sen. Sifuna---

Hon. Senators--- (Sen. Cheruiyot stood up in his place) Sen. Cheruiyot, take your seat. Take your seat, Senator. Order, Senators. The CS is already here. We are going to proceed to question time. We will cease--- (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations) Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order?

Hon. Senators, I want to bring this matter to an end. As a matter of fact, I did not refer to Sen. Cheruiyot as a heckler. I said he was heckling in the House. However, Sen. Sifuna referred to the Senator as a heckler, which is out of order. Can...

Sen. Sifuna. (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)

Hon. Senators--- (Loud consultations)

Yes, put your question.(Loud consultations) Order, Senators. Let us listen to the question in silence. Proceed, Senator. Question No.022 TERMS OF ENGAGEMENT BETWEEN PERSONNEL FROM MINISTRY OF INTERIOR AND NATIONAL ADMINISTRATION AND MINISTRY OF HEALTH IN SHIF REGISTRATION

Welcome, hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Aden Duale) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir and hon. Senators. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, if you allow me, on a light touch, I had differences based on legislative points by the former Senator for Homa Bay, but I...

Proceed, hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Aden Duale) : Sorry, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I thought I was going to answer both Questions by the Senator, that is, Question No.022 and Question No.030. Let me now answer Question No.030. The SHA is established under the Social...

Sen. Ojienda, just one moment. Take your seat.

Before your point of order, I would like to acknowledge the presence in the Public Gallery this afternoon, of visiting teachers and students from Ithumula Secondary School in Makueni County. The delegation comprises two teachers and forty-eight students, who are in the Senate for a one-day academic exposition. (Resumption of...

Order, Senators. We are running out of time. Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale, although you are raising a valid point, we are not voting on any motion. You are raising a valid point. We are not voting on any matter today. You can ask the staff at your office to go...

Thank you. No point of orders, Senators. Sen. Cheruiyot, we will proceed as you have requested. It will save us time, because we are running out of time. I also wish we would stop all these points of order, so that we manage our time properly. Sen. (Prof.) Ojienda, we...

Sen. Eddy, it is okay. Sen. Sifuna, please, ask your questions. Question No. 032 DISCONTINUATION OF EDUAFYA MEDICAL SCHEME

Sen. Kinyua, je, ungependa kujulishwa na Sen. Mumma?

Sen. Mumma, tafadhali mjulishe kwa Kiswahili.

Sen. Kinyua, unaonaje?

Is it a point of information or point of order?

Kwa Kizungu ama Kiswahili?

Proceed, Sen. Wakili Sigei.

(Loud consultations)

You want me to proceed?

Yes, because I can multi-task.

Proceed, Sen. Wambua, because we have concluded.

Sen. Wambua, proceed because I am listening.

Sen. Thang’wa, please proceed.

Sen. Thang’wa, I am being informed that you seconded the Motion.

Just a moment, Sen. Paul Thang’wa. Give me a minute. (The Clerk-at the Table consulted with the Speaker) Sen. Paul Thang’wa, unfortunately, it is the same Motion. So, you cannot debate it again. I will have to stop you right there and give to the next Senator. Sen. Gloria Orwoba,...

Sen. Orwoba, I will just interrupt you briefly. Kindly, take your seat. I have a Communication from the Chair. (Interruption of debate on Motion) COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR SUSPENSION OF SEN. EDDY OKETCH FROM THE SENATE DURING THE MORNING SITTING

Sen. Osotsi, you have the Floor.

Your time is up, Sen. Osotsi. Proceed, Senator Methu.

Give the Senator one minute to conclude.

Your one minute is up, Sen. (Prof.) Kamar. Sen. Joyce Korir, proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Mungatana?

was for the benefit of the House and it was to guide the House not to keep saying that the Committee took 45 days.So, could you please withdraw that and continue with your submission? was for the benefit of the House and it was to guide the House not to...

It is not a threat. I was guiding you and even my tone indicates that.

Thank you, Sen. Joyce.

Your 30 seconds are up, Senator. Sen. Sigei Hilary, proceed.

Your time is up, Senator. We are running out of time. Please indulge me. Sen. Catherine Mumma, proceed.

Hon. Senators, there being no other Senators wishing to contribute, I call upon the Mover to reply. Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot, proceed.

Thank you, Senator. The putting of the question shall be deferred. NOTING OF REPORT OF PROCEEDINGS OF PARLIAMENTARIANS DIALOGUE AT AFRICA CLIMATE SUMMIT (Motion deferred)Sen. Kajwang’ is not around, so we shall defer that Order. Next Order. NOTING REPORT OF THE SENATE DELEGATION TO THE HLPF 2024 ON SUSTAINABLE DEVELOPMENT...

Hon. Senators, I will now give you an opportunity to make contributions to the Motion.

Thank you, Sen. Kajwang’. As much as I agree with you that rain is the act of God, but even in the Bible and in the Islamic faith, we have seen several stories whereby prophets have prayed for rain. I am sure, there is the story of Elijah in the...

There being no Senators wishing to contribute, I call upon the mover to reply.

The putting of the question has been deferred. (Putting of the question on the Motion deferred) Next Order. Sen. Mwaruma is not here. That Order is deferred. ESTABLISHMENT OF NATIONAL TEACHING AND REFERRAL HOSPITALS IN KENYA CONSOLIDATION OF BURSARY FUNDS FOR EQUITABLE ACCESS TO EDUCATION ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, there being...

Asante, Bw. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa fursa hii. Ningependa kuunga mkono Taarifa iliyoletwa na Sen. Abass, ambaye ni Seneta wa Wajir, kuhusu Uwanja wa Ndege wa Wajir. Uwanja wa ndege ukisimamiwa na wanajeshi inaleta hali ya sintofahamu kwa sababu wananchi wa kawaida wanapata ugumu wa kusafiri. Kabla ya uwanja...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support two statements brought to this House today by the Senator from the great county of Kisumu. Having clean sanitation is something which should be a basic necessity for any country. For Government to wait for foreigners to come in and carry...

Thank you. Sen. Miraj.

Asante ndugu Spika wa Muda kwa sababu wale ndugu zangu wamekuwa wakizungumza kwa lugha ya kitaifa, ingekuwa vyema na mimi nijitahidi nihakikishe nimezungumza hivyo. Ningependa kumpa hongera dadangu, Sen. Essy Okenyuri. Jambo ambalo amelileta ni kuwa nchi yetu ikiulizwa kama kuna mpango wa kiserikali wa kujihusisha na mambo ya wale...

Sen. Onyonka.

La tatu ni kuhusu vyeti vya umiliki wa ardhi. Kuna changamoto nyingi katika kaunti zetu kuhusu vyeti vya kumiliki mashamba. Kuna baadhi ya watu wachache ambao wakinunua mashamba, vyeti vinapatikana haraka---

The time for Statements has passed, long passed. Next Order.

Sen. Joe Nyutu, there is no such Standing Order, so we will just ignore it. Proceed, Senator Wafula.

The time for Statements has passed, long passed. Next Order. THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.10 OF 2025) THE PROVISION OF SANITARY TOWELS BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.7 OF 2024) On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

On a point of clarity.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, I have 27 minutes, which is why I sought for your permission. I can use the 27 minutes to continue speaking, but I have heard Sen. Sifuna saying that I spoke for an hour. I do not know whether we are arguing on the time or what...

A certified version of this ReportSo, I would believe that the right to reply and the right to donate your time applies to both a Motion and a Bill. As per now, there is no proper clarity on that matter. We also take note that Sen. Orwoba had already started...

Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order?

A certified version of this Report provision and access to menstrual hygiene products by requiring the Government to ring-fenced budgets for their purchase and distribution.Additionally, the Bill tackles the root cause, poverty, which is the most sustainable solution. To combat poverty, we aim to promote local manufacturers. We have a...

Sen. Orwoba, would you like to be informed by Sen. Paul Thangwa?

A certified version of this Report

Thank you, Senator. In future, hon. Senator, when you stand on a point of order to inform a Senator, it is not an opportunity for you to contribute. However, we have understood you. Sen. Orwoba, you may proceed.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I will start by thanking Sen. Sifuna, the Senator for Nairobi City County, for coming up with this very progressive piece of legislation; the Sports (Amendment) Bill. Hon. Sifuna is seeking to amend the Sports Act so that we can have a County Sports Association Fund...

At this point, we will allow Senators to make contributions starting with Sen. Karen Nyamu.

Sen. Eddy Oketch, proceed. A certified version of this Report

You are in order, Sen. Chimera. Clerk, please confirm if we have quorum. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, please ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, having failed to attain quorum at the expiry of 10 minutes, the Senate...

Mover, Majority Leader.

Proceed Mover.

Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follow- AYES: 28 NOES: Nil. ABSENTIONS: Nil. Serjeant-at-Arms, you may withdraw the bars and open the doors. (The Bars were undrawn and doors opened) AYES: 28 NOES: Nil. ABSENTIONS: Nil. Senator for Taita Taveta County, Sen. Mwaruma, please approach the Chair....

Sen. Orwoba, allow me to interrupt you. You need to introduce your Bill properly by stating that the Provision of Sanitary Towels Bill (Senate Bills No.7 of 2024) be now read a Second Time and then proceed to make your submissions.

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I take this opportunity to welcome the students from Pwani University in Kilifi County. You have a unique opportunity to learn what the Senate is all about and what we do here. Some of us have VISITING DELEGATION FROM PWANI UNIVERSITY, KILIFI COUNTY

[The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen, Mumma) in the Chair]

Sen. Gloria, what is your point of order?

Sen. Cherarkey, you can proceed.

Sen. Cherarkey, would you like to be informed by Sen. Methu?

No, I do not think so, but let us hear what she has to say. What is your point of order, Sen. Gloria?

Sen. Orwoba, you already stood on a point of order; you cannot speak on the same matter twice. (Sen. Orwoba spoke off record) Yes, you have already spoken to it on a point of order and listened to you. So, let Sen. Cherarkey conclude.

Hon. Senators, we will now open this Motion for contribution. Sen. Gloria Orwoba, you may proceed.

Sen. Gloria, would you like to be informed by Sen. Omtatah?

What is your point of order, Sen. Omtatah?

Sen. Gloria, are you able to substantiate your claim that Sen. Omtatah misled you?

Sen. Gloria, I hope you are referring to what I heard Sen. Omtatah say.

Are we on the same page?

Sen. Gloria, are we referring to Sen. Omtatah's statement about you 'frying in your own fat'? Was that your statement? I believe that phrase is an idiom, a figure of speech.

Sen. Gloria, let us be clear. 'mpango wa kando' is not a recognized term in the dictionary and cannot be considered parliamentary language. These are two entirely different matters.

Sen. Cherarkey, what is your point of order?

Sen. Gloria, what is your response?

Can we go back to the point of order raised by Sen. Omtatah on substantiating your claims?

Sen. Wafula, what is your point of order?

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. We have a committee report here where my attention has been drawn to pages 13 and 14. If you are on the tablet, perhaps you can go to pages 21 and 22. This is on the issue of the Deputy Governor...

Thank you. Next is Sen. Eddy Oketch.

On a point of Order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Sen. Eddy, would you like to be informed by Sen. Gloria?

Sen. Gloria, take your seat. Sen. Mandago, what is your point of order?

Sen. Wafula, you cannot stand on a point of order twice on the same issue. Sen. Eddy Oketch, I hope you feel informed by Sen. Gloria. There was a point of order raised by Sen. Wafula. if you could please respond to that.

It is not your wish whether you will respond to Sen. Wafula or not. He stood on a point of order. You happened to mention that certain leaders from the County Government of Meru are chauvinists. Can you substantiate?

We have stopped your time.

because you have guided me. I hope you will still allow me to prosecute this matter regarding what is happening in Trans Nzoia County. It is a very serious matter.The former Governor of Meru County appeared in this House three times. The first time, the House chose to take her...

As Chair, I do think that the distinguished Senator of Bungoma County has a point of order. You are indeed out of order to imply that the Governor of Meru County was impeached because she was brought here by chauvinistic leaders from Meru. That is not the reason why the...

Sen. Eddy, if you stick to Standing Order No.120 in terms of relevance in your submission to the Motion at hand, you will not attract this number of point of orders. Please, just withdraw your statement and proceed with your submissions.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I did not call the people of Meru chauvinist. We are now debating. I would rather sit down and stop debating with you because I respect your Chair.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I cannot withdraw the statement because I have said that the Governor in question did not appear in this House once. She appeared in this House three times. I was a Member of those committees the entire time. Her claims of why she appeared in this...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I cannot withdraw the statement because in an impeachment process and there is voting--- That is how this House runs. I can assure you that if you go back to the HANSARD, you will notice that there are people who voted against that impeachment, including myself.

The leaders.

Sen. Eddy, that point of order has been found to be valid by the Chair. Therefore, do not use that Standing Order. Sen. Mandago, what is your point of order? (Sen. Orwoba spoke off record) Order, Senator Gloria!

Sen. Eddy, that point of order has been found to be valid by the Chair. Therefore, do not use that Standing Order. Sen. Mandago, what is your point of order? (Sen. Orwoba spoke off record) Order, Senator Gloria!

I stood on this point of order because I know Sen. Eddy is a very serious young man who I believe has a very bright future in this country. In fact, in my retirement and my old age, I will be seeing Sen. Eddy as a President in this country....

Sen. Wafula, what is your point of order? Hon. Senators, I have to put an end to this matter now.

Sen. Gloria, what is your point of order?

Sen. Wafula, what is your point of order? Hon. Senators, I have to put an end to this matter now.

The committee has also recommended that the county commissioner ensures the safety and security of the deputy governor as she returns to the office for her to comfortably work. I know it looks light when a woman in leadership perhaps raises an issue of security. While this recommendation addresses women...

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Eddy Oketch, you may proceed. (Resumption of debate on Motion)

We added time for you, but I will give you one minute to conclude. Give him the microphone.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Jackson Mandago, proceed.

Sen. Gloria, I am finding it hard to grasp your point of order. Sen. Mandago has not mentioned any name. He just referred to the play. He said politicians, but never mentioned any name. You are assuming that he is referring to former Senator, Hon. Malalah. Your point of order...

Then what is it? That is why I said that I find it difficult to follow your point of order.

Did he say exactly that?

Sen. Gloria, I think Sen. Mandago is responsible for what he said. Sen. Mandago, did you imply what Sen. Gloria is insinuating?

Sen. Omtatah, just as a matter of guidance, if you could please follow Standing Order No.120 on relevance and repetition. You have deviated from the Motion at hand, and I have given you a leeway to discuss the matter that you have entered into, but you are dwelling on it...

Hon. Senators, before I call the next speaker, who is Sen. Omtatah, I would like to suspend the sitting for five minutes and resume thereafter to attend to a personal matter. Let us resume. Proceed, Senator Omtatah.

Sen. Omtatah, just as a matter of guidance, if you could please follow Standing Order No.120 on relevance and repetition. You have deviated from the Motion at hand, and I have given you a leeway to discuss the matter that you have entered into, but you are dwelling on it...

to address rogue governors and public officers. They should ensure that county governments unite communities and foster development, not division.Finally, I wish to address the matter of Butere Girls. I have participated in drama festivals before. As a former student of the powerful and famous Musingu High School, I recall...

Sen. David Wafula, proceed.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Karen Nyamu proceed.

Thank you, Senator. There being no other Senator wishing to contribute, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Sen. Abass, kindly approach the Clerks-at-the-Table. (Sen. Abass consulted with the Clerks-at-the-Table)

Thank you, Senator. We will defer putting of the question on the Motion to next week on Tuesday when the House resumes its business. (Putting of the question on the Motion deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned...

Sen. Dullo, you can ask your supplementary question.

Hon. Senators, we will take two more supplementary questions to allow the Cabinet Secretary to address three questions at a time. Sen. Kathuri Murungi, proceed.

Order, Senators. I was going to address that. Deputy Speaker, Sen. Mandago was on a point of order. You should have taken your seat while he was talking. However, that has been overtaken by events. Sen. Mandago, I did not clearly hear your point of order. What was your point...

Order, Sen. Cherarkey! Can we hear the Senator in silence? The Senator for Meru should provide evidence that Isiolo International Airport that is not operational is better than Eldoret International Airport. An hon. Senator: Did he say that?

Proceed, hon. Deputy Speaker.

Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Sen. Mandago, what is your point of order?

This is the last point of order. Sen. Veronica, what is your point of order?

Thank you, Senator. Sen. Paul Thang’wa, what is your point of order:

Order, hon. Senators!

Order, hon. Senators! We need to make progress. Could we allow Sen. Kathuri to complete his submissions?

I am not taking any more points of order. Sen. Wambua, please ask your supplementary question.

Hon. Senators, we only have one hour left with several questions to go through. These kinds of interruption will only lead us to drop some of the questions or even drop the supplementary questions that you want to ask the Cabinets Secretary. So, let us please maintain decorum.

Please no long stories. Just ask your question. Sen. Wambua: I will take exception to that, but I will comply because I have listened to other Senators giving a lot of stories. I have no stories to give. I would want to know the fate of those airstrips because Kitui...

Regarding the Member’s concern for this or that airport, I indicated in my substantive answer that the Isiolo airport sits on a development corridor LAPSSET, which is the second development corridor for this country to move out of the congested northern corridor. That which puts Kenya in an anchor state...

(Loud consultations)

Sen. Madzayo, ushauliza swali lako.

Asante, Bw. Spika wa Muda. Swali langu kwa Bw. Waziri ni Serikali ina mipango gani ili kupanua runaway ya Eldoret International Airport na pia kukarabati airstrip ya Baringo County ambayo inatumika sana kwa mambo ya masuala ya usalama kule Kerio Valley? Ningependa kujua kwa sababu hii imekuwa kwa mipango ya...

Asante Seneta. Tushafahamu swali lako. Sen. Mandago, uwanja ni wako. Sijui kama utafuata mtindo na uulize swali kwa Kiswahili?

Hon. Senators, due to time constraints, I will take only two more supplementary questions from the dashboard, so that we can move on to the other questions, which are on the Order Paper. Sen. Maanzo, please proceed.

Thank you, Senator. Those are two questions. You are only allowed one supplementary question. Joe Nyutu, please proceed.

Thank you, Senator. We understand you. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Davis Chirchir) : Asante sana, Bw. Spika wa Muda. Siwezi kusema kwamba nitaweza kuzungumza Kiswahili kama cha Sen. Miraj. Hata hivyo, nilielewa swali lake sambamba kwamba, tuko na mipango...

The next question is by Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC. Question No.023 ANNUAL BUDGETARY ALLOCATION FOR CONSTRUCTION AND UPGRADE OF ROADS IN KISUMU COUNTY

The next Question is by the Senator for Makueni, Sen Daniel Maanzo. Question No.040 PROGRESS REPORT ON CONSTRUCTION OF NAMANGA-KAJIADO- LOITOKTOK-EMALI-UKIA-ITANGINI-TAWA- MASII-MWALA-KITHIMANI ROAD

Thank you, Senator. The last Question is by the Senator for Isiolo, Sen. Fatuma Dullo. Question No.045 INCOMPLETE KURA AND KERRA CONSTRUCTION AND UPGRADE PROJECTS IN ISIOLO COUNTY

Cabinet Secretary, you may respond. Since you have provided the responses in a written form, please be brief in your responses to the questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Roads and Transport (Hon. Davis Chirchir) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, and hon. Members. Let me start with the questions...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. My question is regarding the roads under network A. The road network should be complete and effectively interlink all counties as well as connect to international roads. The Emali-Ukia-Itangini Tower section remains the only part that is not tarmacked, although it is currently undergoing...

Thank you, Waziri, for your response. I have an issue with Kipsing- Oldonyiro Bridge because I have been on that road and the contractor has abandoned the

Thank you, Senator. Proceed, Sen Dullo.

of what they have signed for in the settlement agreement, go back to work together on all those roads which are stranded. We want to ensure that going forward, we do proper budgetary allocation to support work certificates for the completed work for the particular year.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, and...

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Hon. Senators, we have only two minutes remaining. I am not sure if we will make any substantive supplementary questions and get replies from the Cabinet Secretary. So, please allow me to give leave to the Cabinet Secretary, so that we proceed to the next order....

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Mungatana. NOTING OF REPORTS OF THE 63RD AND 64TH OACPS PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY AND THE 43RD AND 1ST ACP-EU JOINT PARLIAMENTARY ASSEMBLY

Thank you. Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

Thank you, Senator. (Question proposed) Sen. Kinyua, proceed.

Asante, Seneta. I call upon the Mover to reply.

Are you deferring?

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. If you indulge me for one minute, I would also want to inform the House that a fortnight ago, I was elected as the Mount Kenya District League Golf Convener. We had our first match, Nyahururu versus Nyeri and we beat Nyeri 13-3. Mr....

Sen. John Kinyua, what is your point of order?

Sen. Veronica, please, proceed.

Thank you, hon. Senator. (Question proposed) Sen. Danson Mungatana.

Sen. Mungatana, you will have two minutes left when this debate resumes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 1.00 p.m. It is time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate stands adjourned until later today, Wednesday, 19th March 2025, at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 1.00 p.m.

Sen. Veronica Nduati.

Sen. Andrew Omtatah, you have the Floor.

Sen. Hezena, please, proceed.

Sen. Daniel Maanzo.

Next Order. THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS (REVENUE RAISING PROCESS) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.11 OF 2023) THE BUSINESS LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.51 OF 2024) Next order. We are going to rearrange the Order Paper and defer Order Nos. 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, and 15. Next order. THE PUBLIC...

Sen. Mungatana, proceed.

Thank you, Senator. There being no other Senator wanting to contribute, I will ask the Mover to reply. Is it Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale? Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, Vice-Chairperson, proceed.

Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Senator, do you have a supplementary question?

Proceed, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mutahi Kagwe) : Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir--- (Loud consultations) Order, Senators! Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, order! The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mutahi Kagwe) : Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary...

Sen. Wakili, thank you very much for reminding Sen. Murango that before he even explains his matters to the Cabinet Secretary, he needs to address the Chair. You cannot be addressing the Cabinet Secretary directly. Can you please respond to what Sen. Hillary has raised?

Sawa. Sen. Omtatah.

Very well. What is your point of order, Sen. Paul Thangw’a?

Sen. Thangw’a, proceed.

(Loud consultations)

Asante, Sen. Murango. Bado

Hon. Senators, let us take another supplementary question from Sen. Chute.

On Sen. Chute’s question, I would like to assure him beyond any doubt whatsoever, that we consider the livestock industry not just as important, but crucial for Kenya’s development. Unless we deal with it and give it the appropriate attention that livestock farming demands across the country, then we will...

Sen. Faki, proceed.

Sen. Faki, I only allowed one supplementary question.

So, counties that do not host tea auctions should not ask questions?

Very well. You can ask your question.

Sen. Mundigi, please proceed.

Third question from Sen. Ojienda.

together and eliminating them. However, the end here justifies the means and we have to do what it takes.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the issue raised by the hon. Senator regarding the Sugar Act and regulations thereof, the policy of the Government is to consolidate as much as we can...

Bw. Spika wa Muda, mkulima amekubali kuelimishwa kuhusu vile makadamia itauzwa. Kuna ugumu gani wa kuwakubalia wakulima miezi sita ili sisi kama Kamati ya Kilimo, Mifugo na Uvuvi tuwaelimishe? Tunataka makadamia ifanyiwe value addition kama majani chai na kahawa. Kwa nini barua ya maelekezo isitolewe na Wizara hii ili wakulima...

Okay. Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mutahi Kagwe) : Bw. Spika wa Muda, tumekubaliana kuwa tutakutana ili tusuluhishe jambo hili. Hivi sasa nikiwa hapa, siwezi toa amri. Ni lazima nishauriane na Wabunge na wakulima ili tusuluhishe suala hili. Asante. Sen. Okenyuri, proceed.

I was going to bring it with macadamia also. I am just---

The relationship is that these two products are of high value. They also have got a huge international market and their prices are extremely well taken care of. Cabinet Secretary, if you remember, at one time, pyrethrum after tea was the largest product that Kenya was exporting because pyrethrin is...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I have been looking for the attention to ask for this Question. First of all, let me congratulate our Hon. Cabinet Secretary and assure him that we are expecting a lot from him, especially because

Sen. Veronica Maina, proceed.

Thank you for this opportunity once more to appreciate and congratulate the Cabinet Secretary of Agriculture and Livestock Development for the appointment and the good job being done currently. My question is in tandem with what my friend, Sen. Onyonka, had just put down. On the tea industry, I can...

One more question from Sen. Wafula.

What is your point of order, Sen. Faki?

and the House in that area, so that we stick to that and we do not cave in to political pressure that comes in by those who practise whatever practices that mess up with our tea.Mr. Thangw’a, I thank you. On the issue of the ban, first and foremost, let...

Sen. Veronica, the Cabinet Secretary will respond to your clarification after taking two last questions from the House. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you will clarify once you have taken the two questions. Sen. Olekina, what is your supplementary question?

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. Let me kick off by taking this opportunity to congratulate the Cabinet Secretary (CS) . Indeed, he has brought in many years of experience into the sector and we are looking forward to bringing the agricultural sector in which...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am happy to hear from the CS with whom we have served in this House, and his voice rings in very familiar tones.

Sen. Kajwang’, please proceed.

Cabinet Secretary, please proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mutahi Kagwe) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Let me start with the last one, and then build up to the other ones. I would like to confirm two things. First, AFA is not dead. My...

Cabinet Secretary? The Cabinet Secretary for Agriculture and Livestock Development (Hon. Mutahi Kagwe) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. On the issue of AFA, I can confirm that it has a Board which was announced last year and the Director General (DG) is here with me. I therefore can...

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. Hon. Senators, due to time, I will not be taking any supplementary questions except from Sen. (Dr.) Boni Khalwale. You can ask one supplementary question if you are still not satisfied with the response. (Technical hitch) Sorry, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Perhaps I can now continue. Under...

Thank you, Senator. Cabinet Secretary, please respond. Thank you. (Sen. Cherarkey spoke off record) Sen. Cherarkey, I have told you that we have run out of time. Another Cabinet Secretary is waiting. The Questions have been answered. These are supplementary questions. Sen. Cherarkey, we are not going to engage each...

Thank you, Sen. Cherarkey. What you have raised is valid. We will take it up with SBC. We should not lump up Ministries which have many questions to respond to. Today we have three Cabinet Secretaries and it is quite evident that we are not able to manage our time...

Thank you. Let us go to Question No.021 by Sen. Beatrice Ogola. Sorry, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. I did not welcome you to the House. Welcome. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : Thank you. Sen. Ogola, please ask your question as it appears on the...

Thank you, Senator. Let us now get the response by the Cabinet Secretary. We request that you summarise the responses as much as possible because the answers have already been circulated to the Members. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : Good afternoon, Mr. Temporary...

Thank you, Senator. Next is Sen. Chute, Senator for Marsabit. Question No.003 RESETTLEMENT AND COMPENSATION OF IDPS IN MARSABIT TOWN

Thank you, Senator. Next is Sen. Hamida Kibwana.

Thank you, Senator. We were proceeding well before you interrupted. We will continue the way we were doing. The Chair has a leeway to increase the time once it gets to one o’clock. We will see how well the Cabinet Secretary will have done in terms of his responses. Proceed,...

The next question is by Sen. Joe Nyutu on behalf of the Sen. (Dr.) Murango of Kirinyaga county. Question No.012 INCREASED INSECURITY IN KIRINYAGA COUNTY

No, Senator, you have taken long enough. We have understood the question. STATUS OF INVESTIGATIONS INTO THE MURDER OF MR. ISAAC JARSO, A RESIDENT OF KONE VILLAGE, TANA RIVER COUNTY

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. To the Cabinet Secretary, do we have disaster preparedness measures put in place that are gender sensitive because disasters affect gender differently?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the Cabinet Secretary told us that on the incident of Tana River in Kone, 23 guns were taken for ballistic examination and the report has not come out. I wanted him to tell us the capacity at the ballistic examinations place. What is the problem? Since...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to ask the Cabinet Secretary when he will lift the curfew between West Pokot and Turkana Counties? The former Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration did the

We have understood the question. You have made the question very clear. It will be answered by the Cabinet Secretary. Give other Senators an opportunity. Sen. Beatrice Ogola, proceed under one minute.

Sen. Mungatana, proceed.

Then my question is, we were taught in lower primary school that prevention is better than cure, so what is the Ministry doing to ensure that we have preventive measures other than responsive measures because one life lost is one too many? Thank you. Thank you, Senator Catherine Luma.

Thank you. Let us allow the Cabinet Secretary to reply to those four questions. Then, we will take some more supplementaries. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. On Sen. Chute's response, I was clear that we do not...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I would like to ask the Cabinet Secretary a question about insecurity. The insecurity that Sen. (Dr.) Murango is talking about is not only in Murang’a but also in Machakos. There is a lot of insecurity especially in a place called Matungulu in Machakos County and...

Sen. Wakili Sigei, proceed to ask your question in under one minute.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, we are dealing with it. I promise that we will dismantle these gangs, including those in Matungu in Kakamega County.I thank you.

Thank you, Senator, you are only supposed to ask one question. The Cabinet Secretary will only answer one question. Sen. Kavindu Muthama, proceed to ask your question.

Thank you, Senator. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you have five minutes only to respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. Kipchumba Murkomen): Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I will be as brief as possible.On the question of preventive measures in Kirinyaga, we have listed them in the responses. Some...