Haji Abdul Mohammed

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, what is your point of order?

Order, Senator for Elgeyo- Marakwet. The Senate Minority Leader (

Order, Senators! (Power was restored) (Applause)(Loud consultations)[The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) in the Chair] (Loud consultations) Order, Senators! (Power was restored) (Applause) (Loud consultations) [The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) in the Chair]

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT Clause 34 of the Bill be amended in subclause (6) by deleting the word ‘may’ appearing immediately after the words ‘a county government’ and inserting therefor the word “shall”. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji) :...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, two quick things. The first one, I agree that it will be mandatory to consult the Council of Governors (CoG) and that is why under Article 96, we are protectors of the devolution. Secondly, I would like the Mover to guide us, but most of the...

Mr. Temporary Chairman Sir, Sen. Sifuna’s amendment, with the guidance of the Senate Majority Leader, is that the Chief Government Valuer will be a link. This is because it affects the advisor of both county and national governments. With this description, it will be now easy to advise county and...

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I support this New Clause, but I am disturbed by Sen. Sifuna’s amendment. This age of experience of 15 years is too many years. Are we not deliberately locking out qualified experienced young people? If to become a judge, you need 10 years, why is he...

Sen. Cherarkey, go ahead.

Sen. Kisang’. Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I know this is a House of record, rules and laws. However, in most of the laws we have passed in the past, we put a minimum age of 10 years’ experience. I believe 15 years is on the higher side. By the time...

Sen. Cherarkey, any comments?

Therefore, Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I support that the Chief Government Valuer must have 15 years’ experience for the good of this country and the profession.The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Abdul Haji): Proceed, Sen. Gloria Orwoba. New Clause 24B

Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move- THAT the Bill be amended by inserting the following new Clause immediately after clause 30— Supplementary valuation roll 30A. (1) The county government shall, in preparing a supplementary valuation roll, rely on data or information that was used in the preparation of...

Sen. Sifuna, you may proceed.

Sen. Kisang’.

Thank you. Sen. Methu.

Sen. Beatrice Ogola.

Proceed, Sen. Gloria Orwoba.

Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move that the Committee reports to the Senate its consideration of the National Rating Bill (National Assembly Bill No.55 of 2022) and its approval thereof with amendments. (Question proposed) (Question put and agreed to) (The House resumed) [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji)...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said Report. I ask the Senator for Laikipia, Sen. Kinyua, to second. Hon. Senators, we have two amendments on Clause 2; one by the Chairperson and another one by Sen. Sifuna. The...

Hon. Senators, we will now go for Division. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Bell for five minutes. (The Division Bell was rung)

Hon. Senators, log out and log into the system. Kindly start the voting. (Electronic voting in progress) THE NATIONAL RATING BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO.55 OF 2022) DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING NOES: Nil. Hon. Senators, the results of the Division are as follows: AYES: 26 NOES: Nil ABSTENTION: Nil Hon. Senators,...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for giving me the opportunity to speak on this Bill. I also want to thank the Senate Majority Leader because he moved this Bill in a very able manner. I am currently sitting in a Mediation Committee. About two weeks ago, the Speaker of the...

Hon. Senators, we will now go for Division. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Bell for five minutes. (The Division Bell was rung) Serjeant-At-Arms you can stop the bell. Clerk do we have quorum? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Kindly draw the bars and close the doors. . (The Bars were...

Administration, have also recently posted a registrar of persons to the Sub-County together with other members of the Sub-County security committee, including the Sub- County police commander, the Intelligence head as well as the Directorate of Criminal Investigation (DCI) head.The Sub-County is operational, but there are departments of the national...

I will allow supplementary questions related to the original Question. Sen. Osotsi proceed.

What is your point of order Sen. Kisang’? (Sen. Kisang’ spoke off the record)

Kindly proceed Sen. Osotsi.

Proceed Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. (Prof.) Kindiki Kithure) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, all the sub-counties that were gazetted on 14th February, 2024 will be operationalized in the coming Financial Year 2023/2024. We encourage Senators to liaise with members of the National Assembly...

Sen. Kisang’, you are only allowed one supplementary question.

Sen. Wambua, you may have the Floor. Sen. Wambua, you may have the Floor.

The President visited that sub-county on 13th July, 2023 or thereabout. Also, there is a presidential directive, which we are hoping to implement in the 2023/2024 budget. We are directed to construct the sub-county offices, a residence and provide a vehicle for the DCC and other members of the sub-county...

Sen. Mundigi, lazima swali lihusiane na lile swali ambalo liliulizwa na Sen. Mo Fire. (Sen. Munyi Mundigi spoke off record) Pengine tutakupa nafasi tukimaliza kuuliza maswali yote. Sio saa hii.

Ni sawa.

Unfortunately, today in our country and in our order of national security priorities, the effect of climate change is assuming a very crucial and an important ranking in those priorities. The people we have lost in the last one month in this country are almost 80 percent of all the...

Sen. Andrew Omtatah

I submit. I submit. Thank you, hon. Cabinet Secretary. Proceed, Sen. Karungo Thang’wa.

Thank you, Cabinet Secretary. It is good to know that you have elevated the Senate Majority Leader to the Greatest of All Time (GOAT) . Proceed, Sen. Joseph Githuku.

Senator for Lamu, you can only ask one question.

I see a lot of interest in this Question. I am not sure if we are going to have enough time to take the other two Questions remaining. I request Senators to be brief. We will take three questions, so that the Cabinet Secretary can answer them at the same...

Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Oburu Oginga.

Constitution demands that public participation must be carried out by any public official or any institution that is making a decision. So, we will conclude that process. I am hopeful possibly before the end of the year, we will have another cohort. Again, broadly for the country, not just for...

permit the unauthorized movement of vehicles beyond the curfew hours, we would be happy to get the information even on a confidential basis.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, apart from the ongoing security operation, the Government has taken additional measures to address insecurity issues within Turkana County. They include but are not...

We are waiting for the conclusion of public participation and engagement for Aror. Immediately that matter is resolved, we will operationalize it. As the distinguished Senator of Turkana said, the word of the Cabinet Secretary is his bond.Nonetheless, above the promise of the Cabinet Secretary, the Cabinet Secretary is also...

Camp, but at an alternative site. A site which has already been identified. Therefore, that new site is somewhere in Kulesa Village, Maziwa sub-location, Salama location in Tana Delta Sub-county. That area has been identified by our security committee in Tana River in liaison with the Community there.Once again, we...

The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. (Prof.) Kithure Kindiki): Asante sana, Bw. Spika wa Muda. Ni kweli tulifanya makosa katika kuanzisha kambi yetu ya kikosi cha GSU katika sehemu ile ambayo baadaye tuligundua ni sehemu inayokumbwa na mafuriko. Kama Waziri, naomba msamaha kwa niaba ya wenzangu wote.Vilevile,...

Sen. Faki proceed.

Sen. Orwoba.

The Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration (Hon. (Prof.) Kithure Kindiki): Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir and the three Senators who have raised the respective matters.With regard to the statement and concern from the distinguished Senator for West Pokot County, the Rev. (Sen.) Murgor, I agree that Sigor...

Thank you, Sen. Chute. Proceed, Sen. Agnes Muthama.

Thank you, Senator. Sen.Veronica Maina?

Sen.Veronica, one question please. You can see the time.

Thank you, Senator. Sen. John Kinyua?

attacked a disabled woman who was in a relationship with them. I thought that should go on record; it is in the interest of the country.I applaud you, Sen. Orwoba, and all the other leaders. attacked a disabled woman who was in a relationship with them. I thought that should...

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health regarding the state of healthcare services at the Garissa County Referral Hospital. In the statement, the committee should-

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations regarding the state of operations in the office of the County Chief Officers in Garissa County.In the statement, the committee should-

Sergeant at arms, you can open the Doors and draw the Bars. (The Doors were opened and Bars drawn) Temporary Chairperson, please proceed and report. REPORT AND CONSIDERATION OF REPORT THE COUNTY BOUNDARIES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.6 OF 2023)

Mover?

Mover of the County Boundaries Bill (Senate Bills No.6 of 2023) ?

Seconder?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, can I guide you as you proceed? At this point, we cannot go into the merits or demerits of the Bill. THE SUGAR BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 34 OF 2022) Chairperson?

Division will be at the end. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Division Bell for two minutes. (The Division Bell was rung) [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Abdul Haji) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Veronica Maina) in the Chair] Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move that the House do agree...

Mover?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, can I guide you as you proceed? At this point, we cannot go into the merits or demerits of the Bill.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I support your Statement on appointment of Chief Officers (COs) in Garissa County since August, 2022. Under the Constitution, a county government is complete after appointment of County Executive Committee Members (CECMs) and COs. It is unfortunate because under Section 148 of the Public Finance Management...

Sen. Olekina, you have the Floor. AYES: 32 NOES: Nil ABSTENTIONS: Nil DIVISION ELECTRONIC VOTING The issue of accountability is important. Article 179 of the Constitution defines the executive authority of the county, which is vested in the county executive committee consisting of the Governor, the Deputy Governor and the...

Sen. Olekina, you have the Floor.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I beg to move: THAT, the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bill No.14 of 2024) , be now read a Second Time. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, this is an extremely important Bill. One of the cardinal responsibilities of this House of Parliament is to participate...

Proceed, Sen. Wambua.

Thank you very much, Senators. Hon. Senators, we have exceeded the time for contribution to the Statements. I will have to stop it there and call the next Order. Proceed, the Senate Majority Leader. THE DIVISION OF REVENUE BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.14 OF 2024)

Hon. Senators, at this point, we will allow contributions. Sen. Osotsi, you may have the floor.

Sen. Danson Mungatana.

Thank you, very much. Sen. Olekina.

Sen. Olekina, use parliamentary language. Please, withdraw that.

county government has committed to match a shilling for a shilling, up to Kshs250 million for the establishment of the industrial parks.What that means is that, cumulatively, Kshs11.7 billion of this Kshs391 billion proposed equitable share to county governments, will go into the industrial parks. The implication is that this...

It is not just Nairobi; what is happening in Mombasa County? Where is the money? Mombasa County sits on one of the biggest ports in Africa. Where is the money for Nakuru, Kiambu, Machakos counties, and the good old Kakamega County?Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, Kakamega is not a small county....

I also want to comment on the issue of taking too much time to consider the audited accounts. Article 259 (8) of the Constitution is very clear.

Proceed, Sen. Okiya Omtatah.

Sen. Okiya Omtatah, there being no more time, you should have a balance of 18 minutes when this matter resumes on the Order Paper on Tuesday, next week. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until Tuesday 30th April,...

Hon. Senators, there is a Communication from the Chair. In the Public Gallery, we have 30 Pathfinders from the Seventh Day Adventist Church in Syokimau East, Machakos County, who are undertaking a one-day study tour in the Senate. Hon. Senators, in our usual tradition of receiving and welcoming visitors to...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I would like to comment on Sen. Onyonka’s Statements. He had three statements that touched on the Kisii County and its operations. In one of the statements, Sen. Onyonka highlighted issues on the Human Resource (HR) of Kisii County. In his statement, he gave...

One moment, Sen. Gloria.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am well guided. However, I am also guided by the same Standing Orders that we have on this Floor; that I can contribute and add my voice to a statement that has been read. I come from Kisii County and I am sure that Sen....

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I will comment briefly on the statement sought by the Senator for Machakos County, Madam Agnes

Thank you, Senator. Hon. Senators, for the convenience of the House, we will reorganise the Order Paper. We move to the Motion by Sen. Mwinyihaji, Order No.21.Next Order. HOJA KUIDHINISHWA KWA RUZUKU YA MASHARTI KWA UJENZI WA UWANJA WA MANISPAA YA MOMBASA

No, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I just came and logged in. Sen. Madzayo, you may proceed.

Just a moment, Sen. Madzayo. Sen. Crystal Asige, do you have a point of order or an intervention?

Continue,

Nitapatia nafasi Maseneta waweze kutupa mawazo yao kuhusu Hoja hii. Sen. Maanzo, fursa ni yako.

Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Sen. Cherarkey, nataka nikupe onyo kwamba umetoka nje ya mada ambayo tunaongelelea hapa. Ningependa ubaki katika Hoja ile tunaongelea. Wacha kutoka nje ya Hoja.

Sen. Cherarkey, nataka nikupe onyo kwamba umetoka nje ya mada ambayo tunaongelelea hapa. Ningependa ubaki katika Hoja ile tunaongelea. Wacha kutoka nje ya Hoja.

You have queued.

Kenya hii ni vichache. Wengi husema viwanja vyote viko Nairobi na wengine husema pengine kuna kimoja Eldoret na Kisumu.Hoja iliyoletwa na mwenzetu, inatakiwa sote tuiingalie kwa manufaa ya biashara, “economic impact”, kama vile wazungu wanavyosema. Tukiwa na kiwanja kikubwa, ambacho michezo ile ya kimataifa inaweza kufanyika---(Loud consultations)

Maseneta, tafadhali tumsikilize.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale), endelea.

Sen. Wambua, hoja yako ya nidhamu ni ipi?

Maseneta wenzangu, mruhusu aseme hoja yake ya nidhamu.

Endelea, Sen. Madzayo. Maseneta, nadhani Sen. (Dr.)

Kuniradhi, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Yanakaa kama maelezo.

Sen. Cherarkey, hoja yako ya nidhamu ni gani?

Just hold on. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Chair) Proceed, Sen. Kavindu. MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT UNDER STANDING ORDER NO. 37 DELAYS IN RELEASE OF DISASTER MANAGEMENT FUNDS TO FLOODS VICTIMS

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, lately, we have experienced extremely heavy downpour in various parts of the country which has resulted to floods. The number of people impacted by the March-May long rains continue to rise, with an estimated 103,485 people (20,697 households) affected, including 40,265 people (8,053 households) displaced; 32...

Just hold on. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Chair) Proceed, Sen. Kavindu.

Sen. Kavindu, after moving your Motion, you can debate on it. You have 10 minutes and then you can call the seconder.

Hon. Senators, we are now going to allow you to put questions to the Cabinet Secretary regarding the Statement. In terms of time management, we have 45 minutes, but we have 12 or 13 Members who want to ask questions. There is a request that we first allow Members who...

(Loud consultations)

Order, Senators. I have a list of Senators who have asked questions. Sen. Cherarkey hayuko kwa hii orodha. So, please allow us to proceed.

Thank you. The third question will be asked by Sen. Shakila Abdalla.

Regarding the strike and a definite date as to when the doctors will go back to work, we are now in the process of negotiation. I am not able to confirm with certainty that by tomorrow they will be back to work. Of course, I would like that we conclude...

Let us hear the Senator. Order, Senators. He is on a point of order. Let us hear him.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I am standing under Standing Order Nos.121 and 122. If you have noticed, today since morning, the Senator for Nairobi City County has had a habit of shouting and demeaning Members. (Sen. Kavindu Muthama consulted the Temporary Speaker) Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I request your attention,...

Order, Members. Just wait.

121. (Loud consultations)

Luckily for me, I have the full range of the English language. I will withdraw the statement of “kissing someone’s behind” which is exactly what is happening and replace it--- (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations) Luckily for me, I have the full range of the English language. I will withdraw the statement...

Wait, let us hear him.

I was listening, you were not listening. I will throw you out. We are not listening to each other. Sen. Cherarkey, you were not listening to Sen. Sifuna when he said he has withdrawn that statement. He has the right to replace it. It needs to make sense. (Loud consultations)...

(Loud consultations) (Laughter) (Applause) (Loud consultations)

Sen. Sifuna, can we hear the Professor in silence? You are protected Senator, go ahead.

Senator, you have asked two questions.

That is more than enough. Proceed, Sen. Veronica Nduati.

The third question will be asked by Sen. Hamida Kibwana.

I want to clarify that on the issues raised by KMPDU, risk allowance does not arise. The people who raised the issue of risk allowance are the clinical officers. They are saying they want the risk allowance to be enhanced from Kshs3, 000 to Kshs15, 000 per month. That is...

Proceed, Sen. Ogola.

Thank you, Senator. You can only ask one Question. Sen. Ogola, you have asked two questions. Thank you, Senator. Proceed, Sen. Gataya Mo Fire.

Thank you, Senator. Cabinet Secretary, kindly respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Hon. Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir and Members. On the question raised by Sen. Mbugua on the creation of a Health Service Commission (HSC) , I take note that this House is the defender of...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I just want to ask one question concerning my County, Siaya. We have a rice plant between Busia and Siaya, but the plant is within Siaya County. This is a new plant. It has been constructed and completed and the farmers have just harvested a lot...

tightened Monetary Policy FedEx running the United States of America (USA), interest investment in the USA at almost 5.5 per cent, we did not have Dollars. It is unfortunate that we have to use our Dollars to import food, things we can easily grow.I have just consulted with Kenya Power...

Cabinet Secretary, you can answer. Please, keep the answers short, so that we can take a few more questions before 1 O'clock. The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Hon. Davis Chirchir) : Thank You, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Sen. (Dr.) Oburu, the answer is ‘yes.’ We are going to...

County has been in a blackout for almost a month because they cannot ferry fuel from here to Mandera. Why are we still we using generators? Secondly, why are we not benefiting from the national grid?I thank you.

Central, Kajiado Western and Kajiado East. It is good that you tell us the plans that you have for that county. We are the lowest in the connectivity in the entire country, yet we have a number of national gridlines that are going through Kajiado County.I thank you. around the...

Cabinet Secretary, you can proceed to answer. The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Hon. Davis Chirchir) : Sen. (Dr.) Murango, there is the Gichugu power solar pumping for agriculture to support food security. I think we have some very interesting programmes because of a lot of support on the...

Your question is if the Cabinet Secretary is aware of the public participation being done in Turkana?

Thank you. Waziri, I do not know if you want to mention anything on that. The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Hon. Davis Chirchir) : Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I will be happy to have a cup of tea with Sen. Chute in my office to look at that...

Clerk, can we confirm quorum, please? (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Temporary Speaker) Serjeant-at-Arms, please ring the Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Serjeant-at-Arms, you can stop the Bell. We have quorum. First order, Clerk? HEARING AND DETERMINATION ON THE PROPOSED REMOVAL FROM OFFICE, BY IMPEACHMENT, OF...

Okay, Senator. Senior Counsel, Mr. Kigen, what was your point of order? The Counsel for the Deputy Governor (Mr. Katwa Kigen) : My point of order is that the witness should be allowed to answer the question, as opposed to being badgered and being asked to answer in the words...

You have not pressed the intervention, so I will not allow you. Okay, Sen. Onyonka, you may have the Floor.

Sen. Roba, do you have a point of order? I am not going to take so many points of order. This is the last point of order then we will proceed.

The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru): You heard Mr. Misati claiming that in terms of your financial status, you are doing badly, correct? It was his evidence.The Deputy Governor (Hon. (Dr.) Robert Monda): That is incorrect The Counsel for the County Assembly (Mr. Ndegwa Njiru): Did you...

It is Sen. Crystal Asige.

Apology accepted. Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I wanted to say exactly what Sen. Cherarkey has said. There was a ruling in the morning, and we all agreed, amongst us, that we would allow the Counsel to reserve his time. He would remove it from two witnesses that he...

My apologies, Senator Crystal.

Thank you, Senator. On this side, let us have Sen. Orwoba.

Thank you, Senator. Counsel, having been reminded that you had waived your time to cross-examine two other witnesses previously, I am being informed you have a balance of 15 minutes. You had already utilized your other 15 minutes. So, I will give you a further 15 minutes to see if...

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I wish to withdraw Clause 41 that we were amending by deleting “where applicable” for the sake of our Muslim brothers and sisters.

Division at the end. Clause 33 The Temporary Chairperson ( Proceed, Chairperson Standing Committee on Roads, Transportation and Housing.

Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move- THAT, the Bill be amended by inserting the following new clauses immediately after clause 31-

(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)

Hon. Members, please have your seats. Sen. Madzayo and Sen. Tabitha Keroche, let us transact business. What is your point of order, Senate Majority Leader? Let us hear him in silence.

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. Ninaunga mkono tuweze kupiga kura kwa sababu walio wachache wote wako hapa Bungeni leo. Ninamwona Katibu Mkuu, the Senate Minority Leader na hata Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Mazingira ambaye huwa haonekani hapa lakini, leo wote wamekuja ili waongee mambo ya makazi ya bei nafuu ili wasikike...