NYIKAL WAMBURA JAMES

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. On the same matter or a different one relating to this Cabinet Secretary? Yes.

Hon. Speaker, you have indicated that we are vacating this and moving to the next Order. That is where I seek your indulgence and guidance. After this, we are going to the Committee of the whole House on two Bills: The Digital Health Bill and the Social Health Insurance Bill....

Hon. Temporary Chairman, just to strengthen the position of the Committee on this, there is an element of e-waste that we should look at. Some of these are electronic equipment that retain information and are sometimes removed from service when they are not completely old. If you leave them, people...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is what I raised with the Speaker before we came to the Committee of the whole House. I once again raised it when we were starting the Committee of the whole House, but I was advised I raise it when we are on the particular item....

Hon. Temporary Chairman, that amendment is not on the Order Paper and that, in itself, is significant. I want to give information to the House so that it can make a decision. Enhanced medical schemes were those in which the Kenyan Government paid for health covers of civil servants such...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is one of the cases where the Committee had an amendment similar to that of Hon. Oluoch. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Will you allow Hon. Oluoch to move his amendment and then you can contribute? Yes. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) :...

I once said it here: The Hon. Speaker Muturi listened to me. You cannot say that if there are chicken thieves in a village, the village stops keeping chickens. Catch the thieves. The whole effect here is this Bill creates an entire claims management office so that what he is...

You chose the lesser of two evils. The evil in the original Clause is worse than the evil that we are currently adopting. It is a better provision. The best option would have been not to delegate those functions. If we are to delegate the functions, this is a better...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. Hon. Members, please, pay attention to these things. I want some clarification from the Chairperson. The agent given the work to do claims is also a claim-settling agent. Does it mean that this agent will be given money to pay those claims? If so, remember...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is what we do not understand: when you say that you are recruiting, where are these people that are now applying? You have not exactly said where you are. You have thrown these guys out. There is possibility that even at this time, there can be...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. This is an important Bill for the health services in this country. In health, there is a lot of information. If you start at an individual level when a patient is being looked after, you will have huge files full of...

Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. This is a very well-intentioned Bill although it has some problems. Because of the work that has been done in the Committee, I support fully this Bill. This is basically about health financing, with a history as far back as...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, it is not just enough to say that they are in line. You must indicate what they are in line with so that we can understand. It is normally assumed that Members who do not understand these amendments can let them pass. The Chairman should tell us...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, mine is simple and it will be very clear. If you look at what is in part (a) , it puts the words ‘sugar and sugar.’ I re-word that by deletion and replaced it with ‘sugar and sugar crops.’ If you look at it, when we come...

I know it is tedious but let us read these things word by word. The Chair may be right but when he was explaining, he just used the word ‘brought.’ That is why we want the word ‘import.’ The word ‘brought’ does not tell us that now you are introducing...

That amendment still falls short of our expectation. Let me tell you why. It cannot be sugar beet and sugarcane. If you say sugar crop, then you have taken everything in the definition. My friend, there are technical things that votes cannot change. The fact that there are other plants...

It is the same principle. If we had consulted we would have solved all of them but we have chosen to deal with the amendments one by one. That is okay but we would have consulted first then move one by one and agreeing to all of them. The Temporary...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, what happens normally is that you can have an amendment which has many parts. When the mover is moving the amendment, it is good to explain all parts. You can take one part. In this case the part we have taken is actually a very small bit...

THAT, Clause 34 of the Bill be amended in sub clause (5) by deleting the word “five” and substituting therefor the word “three” immediately after the words “a sum equal to”. My amendment reduces the penalty which is indicated as 5 per cent per month. Somebody who fails to pay...

I think there is also an amendment from Hon. Shabbir. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Let us deal with this one first. Okay. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Go ahead. Hon. Justice Kemei (Sigowet/Soin, UDA) : Hon. Chair, the idea of saying any dispute is to...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, that is actually just to add to Clause 53 (3) . It is in reference to what the agreement shall include. He is saying that after 53 (a) , we have (aa) “the right of a grower to grow sugar crop on their land” so that when...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I thought that the whole concept of this Bill is to protect farmers. We know that the problem has been with millers. So, my understanding on what has been going on is that we try as much as possible to 26th September 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 86...

THAT, Clause 55 of the Bill be amended in sub-clause (3) by deleting the word “two” and substituting therefor the word “three” immediately after the words “term not exceeding”. Now that the Clause has survived, I have something to amend in the spirit of strengthening farmers. Millers and farmers are...

THAT, clause 57 of the Bill be amended in subclause (2) by inserting the following new paragraphs immediately after paragraph (g) — “ (ga) long-term leasing of state-owned mills by private investors including capping of leases to fifteen years and structured review every five years and rights and obligations of...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am persuaded that those details are too descriptive and I want to drop that amendment. (Proposed amendment by Hon. Shakeel Shabbir dropped) (Question, that the words to be inserted be inserted, put and agreed to) (Question, that the words to be left out be left out,...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I support this, but I think it is not sufficient. Sub-Clause (2) states that:

Hon. Temporary Chairman, I am really convinced that the whole Bill is protecting farmers. Leaving some groups to do pricing on their own will not work. I support Clause 53A because it is broad enough and has given the objectives. Under sub-clause 4, you can introduce the suggestions that Hon....

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. If we change the whole thing and use the word ‘catchment’ instead of the word ‘region’, we will have to change the definition of the word ‘catchment’ and state clearly that regions are specifically representations from specific areas, then define the word ‘regions’ as we...

I had an amendment. What I was asking before that is: If you pass that amendment, how do these other amendments come in? I had an amendment for “sugar crop” which means a crop that is cultivated primarily for the manufacture of sugar or secondarily for the production of alcohol....

We have agreed with the Chairman. My amendment is acceptable to the Chairman. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : The Chairman’s amendment has already been carried. I suggest that you move your amendment regarding the sugar crop and then we process it in the usual manner. THAT, Clause 2...

I just want a clarification. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Maybe this is what he is going to do.

Hon. Chair, I will consider and accept, but ethanol and methanol are not by-products. You will not have sugar if you reach methanol. Methanol and ethanol are a process farther. By by-products, it means you get your sugar and these others. Really, it does not carry the same meaning.The Temporary...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, as we do that, it is important that we get the clear import of those recommittals.

Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker. We want to know the import of every clause for recommittal.

I want to strongly oppose this. The whole concept of this Bill has been the farmer and everything we have done is to give the farmer an opportunity. We were in meetings in Kakamega with some people. There have been meetings and what the farmers wanted is to have the...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. Let me start by thanking Hon. Emaase for bringing this. The situation of bodaboda riders is the same across the country. The bodaboda industry is very important particularly in rural economy. It is not just that they create employment for...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. As we move to Order No.14 on the Committee of the whole House, I rise to seek your guidance. The first Bill for consideration is the Climate Change (Amendment) Bill. The Second Reading of that Bill happened yesterday afternoon. It...

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I like that. Thank you for approving them out of time, which is good. Let us not run the House in such a way that sometimes, even from the important seat of the Speaker, we have to do things that are out of...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I agree with you. Let me make one last point. Thank you again. Super majority is good because it can make the Executive do a lot of good things for the country in good time. However, it is a double-edged sword. It can also make the Executive...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairman. I had a similar amendment, which means that if this amendment is concluded, the same will apply to my amendment.The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’): Departmental Committee Chairperson, remember you are prosecuting this amendment.

THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 6. Hon. Temporary Speaker, this amendment seeks to delete the whole of Clause 6, which seeks to amend Section 7 of the Bill on members of the council. As it is, the council is constituted as follows:

THAT, the Bill be amended by deleting Clause 7. That means, in the Bill, Clause 7 will partly read as follows: “Section 8 of the principal Act is amended in subsection (2) by−

Hon. Temporary Chairman, can the Chairperson of the Committee explain to the House the import of the amendment he has moved? (A Member spoke off the record) Why is it necessary? So that we can participate. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Gikaria.

Hon. Temporary Chairman, whereas I support

On a point of order. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Nyikal, you can now proceed with your point of order. Hon. Temporary Chairman, my point of order is based on Clause 16. I think you are well aware that the practice has been that where there is...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, this is one way we could call in too, but I think it may not be necessary. The principal issue that comes here is that we are fighting public participation in any way we can. We removed it in Clause 4, so deleting it in Clause16 makes...

Hon. Temporary Chairman, Members look tensed. I support because we have to put sanctions. Carbon trading will be a very important issue and can be abused. So, this is addressing such abuses. I support. The Temporary Chairman (Hon. David Ochieng’) : Hon. Nyamai.

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me an opportunity to contribute to the debate on this Bill.

Thank you Hon. Deputy Speaker for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this Bill. This amending Bill is basically doing three things. First, it is trying to align the existing law with the Paris Agreement, which is a good thing. However, it is seeking to do two other things...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I support this extremely important Motion. The funding system may be good and implementable but the implementation plan is poor and bad. Students lack information. The admission letter informs students of the total amount of money that they need. However, that figure is scaring parents because they...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support this very important Motion. Humans are terrestrial beings. We live on land and nowhere else. You find that a few people own very large tracts of land. Many times, that land is unutilised. Those large unutilised...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I support the two petitions. I want to talk about the issue of delay in payment of pension. This is very common and chronic that it is actually the norm. It will be unusual if officers retire and get their pensions immediately. We are, therefore, subjecting...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. My Question to the Cabinet Secretary is whether all constituencies with parks are entitled to funds for road maintenance. Seme has Ndere Island, which has a designated park with a road that leads there. It is managed by the KWS. I have never seen any work...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity. I rise to support this, Bill. Sugarcane is an important commodity for the development of our country. Our policy is self-sufficiency, and we have the capacity to export. Look at where we are now; we are importing at a very...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support this Bill. This is an extremely important Bill for health. I support it because its object is to coordinate all public institutions involved in control of food and feed safety. It is important that we control...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. I rise to support this Report and start by appreciating the wisdom of splitting the PIC into three committees; one looking at the SAGAs under the Ministry of Education. I also take this opportunity to appreciate the work done by...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for allowing me to eulogize the late Hon. (Dr) Misoi. Dr Misoi was a hardcore physical science professional who ventured into politics. It is not easy for people of hardcore science-based professions to stick in politics and do well because the realities of politics often conflict...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to discuss this Report with a very heavy heart. I cannot support this Report because the small- scale millers are suffering because of their empathy. This Report does not give the whole context. We get the impression that much more serious things which...