Omboko Milemba

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I want to thank the Whip of the Majority Party for moving this Bill well and clearly. I also want to thank the Committee for bring the Culture Bill. We still have room for improvement, for instance, on the role of county governments and the...

Hon. John Waweru.

Hon. Christine Ombaka.

Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Very well. Sounds like the Hegelian philosophy or something of that type. Let us hear from Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Oundo, I thought night runners had registered their society? Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) ]: They registered their society, but not the culture or skill. I totally agree. There are quite a number of far-reaching issues. Culture changes over time. Therefore, which culture are we registering? I draw...

Very well. Those are strong arguments. As a teacher of history and government, I know Hon. Jematiah just quoted Lord Macaulay. He was arguing with a man called Trevor-Roper in that debate. You may need just to go beyond that. Let us listen to Hon. Beatrice Adagala.

You have had your bite. Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Hon. Cynthia Muge.

Hon. Jackson.

Lastly, let us have Hon. Beatrice Kemei. That is what appears on my screen. (An Hon. Member spoke off the record) You are not anywhere on my screen. Proceed, Hon. Kemei.

Hon. Makali Mulu.

We have heard from virtually everyone who wanted to speak on this Bill. We will call upon the Mover to reply in the next session. (Putting of the Question deferred) As earlier directed by the Speaker, let us go back to Questions and Statements. Members have been waiting for quite...

Very well. The request for statement is referred to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife. The leadership in the House should undertake to inform the Chairperson.

Very well. Do we have any other request for statement? Yes, Hon. Joseph Gitari, proceed. CONSTRUCTION AND REHABILITATION OF ROADS IN KIRINYAGA CENTRAL

The statement request is referred to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. The leadership should undertake to transmit that information for replies within two weeks’ time.

Thank you, Hon. Naomi. There are other Members who intended to request for statements, but who may not be in the House at the moment. We will give them a chance next time because they have been waiting for a long time. They can make their requests on Tuesday. Next...

Hon. Oundo.

Hon. Members, the debate on the Insurance Professionals Bill will resume during the next Sitting. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support the Petition presented by the Hon. Member. He has clearly articulated the issues concerning the Nandi Teachers SACCO. Yesterday, while you were away, I had the chance to preside over the Committee of the whole House that dealt with the Cooperatives Bill...

Hon. Speaker I am not bewildered. I am steady and very much okay. I am supposed to get replies from my Chairman.

No, I am not. My able good neighbour and Chairman, Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security, has given a very slim statement about a family and a person who was killed by unknown people. He has not even indicated if there are any hopes that the people who killed...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Even after the death of this particular one, another person was butchered around the same place at a shopping centre. Thugs waylaid, attacked and killed him brutally like an animal. After three days since this particular one, one of the most important traders in Luanda by...

One minute, Hon. Speaker. I want this to go on record, and very softly, that, unless action is taken in Luanda Town, we shall continue losing many people. We have lost 19 people in two months and the series is ongoing. I want your word on this so that special...

Very well. Ambassador Lang’at.

Add him one minute because he talked about 70 per cent payment but ended up speaking a lot of English. What have you done about these people who have paid 70 per cent of the property they took? One minute, then we go on.

Very well. Hon. (Dr) Oundo, you can pick up from there.

Hon. Irene Mayaka.

We have heard you, and the Member has heard you. Proceed.

What is your point of order, Hon. Thuku? Hon. Thuku is on a point of order.

Hon. Wakili Muriu, this is the second time a Member has cautioned you about getting into a matter not on the Table of the House. Ordinarily, this is a House of rules and order. We lay one business on the Table at a time. We are currently dealing with the...

Next to speak on this is Hon. Thuku.

Hon. David Mboni.

Is Hon. Paul Biego in the House? Do you want to speak on this Bill?

Very well. Hon. Julius Rutto.

Hon. Nolfason Barongo. Do you want to speak on this? (Hon. Nolfason Barongo spoke off the record) Okay.

Very well, Hon. Members. A Member has risen from his place to ask that the Mover be called upon to reply. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

Proceed, Chairman.

Very well. You have been heard. But I can see the Leader of the Majority Party just sitting somewhere. You may proceed, Chairman. Those were just bragging rights, and they have now been satisfied. Proceed, Chairman.

Order, Hon. Members. We have the requisite numbers. I proceed to put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and committed to Committee of the whole House) Next Order. Second Reading THE TAX LAWS (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Members, we are on the Tax...

Very well. Order, Chair! Let us hear Hon. Makali. What is it, Hon. Makali?

Very well. That is the same as what Hon. Nyikal said. Hon. Chair, you may expound the Bill and then go to the Committee's amendments. So far, you are doing well. Proceed. Yes, the Leader of the Majority Party.

Order, Hon. Makali! We can not debate on that. You have been heard. Remember, I gave you a chance, and you spoke on that. The Chair is doing well. Chair, speak on the Bill and elaborately discuss any amendments therein so we can move forward. Proceed, Chair. Hon. Kuria Kimani...

The first bite goes to Hon. John Namoit. He left, we therefore can have the first bite go to Hon. Makilap. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose spoke off the record) No, I am okay. The list is very clear. Hon. Namoit has been here, but he just left. Hon. Makilap, you...

That is on the semantics. Proceed. 3rd December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 45

Let us hear Hon. David Kiplagat on this. Give Hon. David the microphone.

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Benjamin Lang’at.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi. 3rd December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53 Hon. Beatrice Elachi (Dagoretti North, ODM) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support this Bill. I want to thank the Chairman and Members because since morning, we have been debating laws which are touching on the citizens....

Very well, Hon. Nyikal. I order and instruct the Table Office to very quickly prepare that Report and circulate it to Members as soon as possible. Thank you, Hon. Nyikal, for raising that. Let us hear from Hon. Gitonga

Hon. Gitonga, if you want to discuss an Hon. Member who is in this House, you must bring a substantive Motion. Therefore, you need to withdraw those sentiments on the Leader of the Minority Party, Hon. Junet. Given that you indicate that you read it somewhere, and you have not...

Hon. Gitonga, proceed to withdraw your statement and apologise to Hon. Junet.

Hon. John Mutunga.

Hon. Members, a Member rose in his place on Standing Order 95. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed) Mover.

Hon. Members, we shall postpone the putting of that Question until the next Sitting. (Putting of the Question deferred) Hon. Members, before we call the next Order, I want to re-arrange the Order Paper so that the Order appearing as Order 15 comes next. Thereafter, we shall go back to...

Very well, Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a. Hon. Chairperson, the Member is referring to a Ruling by the Hon. Speaker which I believe you are privy to. So, as you proceed, could you speak to that too? 3rd December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 59

Where is Hon. Aramat?

Hon. Members, this is a fairly long Motion. (Question proposed) The Temporary Chairman (Hon. Omboko Milemba) : Who takes the first bite? Hon. Nyikal.

Very well. Hon. Moses Kirima.

Before we give an opportunity to the next speaker, the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning will table a Paper.

Very well. Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Hon. Sabina Chege.

Hon. Geoffrey Mulanya.

Majority Whip.

Thank you Hon. Members for your resilience. In that breath, let us give Hon. Gimose a chance to speak on this Motion.

Order, Hon. Chairperson, Proceed, Hon. Gimose.

Hon. Ng’ang’a, do you want to speak on this?

Hon. Wanjiku Muhia.

Order, Hon. Members. A Member has risen at his place on Standing Order 95. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and negatived) Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

Hon. Mutunga. (Hon. Gitonga Mukunji stood in his place) Hon. Mutunga, not Gitonga. I mean Hon. Mutunga, the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock.

Hon. Mark Mwenje.

Hon. John Gitonga.

Mover.

Very well. Thank you for your prowess in that area. You have been very clear in explaining some of the things. Hon. Chair, I am happy that I was at Kipevu in Mombasa two weeks ago and one of the companies which had installed the machines there was carrying them...

Hon. Suleka.

Very well. (Question proposed) Hon. Sabina Chege

Hon. James Nyikal. 3rd December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 80

Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Very well. Please propose those amendments and the House will support you. Hon. Mwenje.

Majority Whip, you may proceed. 3rd December 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 83

Hon. Wanjiku Muhia.

Very well. Hon. Jessica Mbalu.

Very well, unless Hon. Anthony Oluoch wants to speak on this, which I cannot see. Very well Hon. Anthony Oluoch.

Very well. The Chairman, Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning. Are you speaking on this?

Mover. (Hon. Suleka Harun raised her hand) Hon. Suleka, you seconded the Bill and we may not give you another chance. You should have spoken more. Mover, proceed.

The Mover has donated a minute to Hon. Rutto. Please give him the microphone.

Hon. Chairlady, do they still pay some money to be registered? I remember that I really suffered with that bit of payment of money for registration for PWDs.

Very well, Hon. Members. We shall again postpone putting of the Question until the next Sitting. (Putting of the Question deferred) I want to thank the Members who have been very resilient to stay up to now. When we were given this task of doing the four Bills, it looked...

We will begin with the Public Finance Management (Amendment) (No.3) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.44 of 2024) . CONSIDERATION OF REPORT ON THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) (NO.3) BILL

Mover

Hon. Members, we shall postpone putting of the Question to the next Session. (Putting of the Question deferred) We now proceed to the Public Finance Management (Amendment No.4) (National Assembly Bill No.45 of 2024) .

Mover.

Again, Hon. Members, we postpone putting of the Question to the next Session. (Putting of the Question deferred) Finally, let us deal with the Public Procurement and Assets Disposal Amendment Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.48 of 2024) . Hon. Chairman, proceed.

Mover.

Is she in the House? (Hon. Naisula Lesuuda spoke off the record) Be on record, please. Is there a microphone near you? There is one. Proceed.

Hon. Members, we shall postpone the putting of the Question to the next Session. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE HIGHER EDUCATION LOANS BOARD (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.58 OF 2022) Mover, had you been seconded? It is time to second now. Nominate a person to second...

Hon. Charles Nguna, go ahead.

Who gets the first bite? It is Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

As you speak on this, Hon. James Nyikal, I think your debate will need to be very deep. A particular law led to this. How are we mitigating it? Thank you, Hon. Members.

You have spoken for many of us. After the promulgation of the Constitution of Kenya, 2010, the Education Act was amended to provide the minimum age for one to join school. Later on, this House will have to also deal with that aspect since that is how we ended up...

Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Woman Representative for Nyamira County, proceed.

Hon. Makali Mulu.

Member for Emgwen.

Hon. Elizabeth, woman Member for Meru County.

Hon. Adams Kipsanai.

Hon. Paul Biego.

Hon. Dido Raso.

I call upon the Mover to reply.

We shall postpone putting of the Question until the next sitting. (Putting of the question deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being

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On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. What is your point of order, Hon. Omboko? Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. This is a House of respect and honour. The tradition of rising in the event a speaker touches people’s souls or says something exciting that is overwhelmingly magnanimous for...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for this chance. When a President whose nation has been facing a lot of challenges and bashing from the social media on issues to do with the CBC, hiring of teachers, university education funding model, Public-Private Partnerships (PPPs) manifested in Adani Enterprises Limited (AEL) and...

Very well. Hon. Paul Mwirigi of Igembe South.

Hon. Suzanne Kiamba.

Order!

Order, Hon. Member. We do not use casual language in this House. This is a House of order and rules. The Member has risen in her place and asked you to substantiate the relationship between Adani and SHA. Proceed to do so or withdraw your statement.

Order! This is a House of records. Could you name the company, and produce the company’s documents and its relationship with Adani? This is a House of rules and order. Proceed with your contribution. (Loud consultations)

We have heard you. Your point of order has been made. The speaker on the Floor, please conclude.

Very well. You have had your bite. (Hon. Suzanne Kiamba spoke off the record) You have had your bite Hon. Member. Hon. Paul Biego.

Hon. Dick Maungu.

Hon. Hilary Kosgei.

Hon. Christopher Aseka.

Hon. Kibet Komingoi of Bureti Constutuency.

Hon. Kathambi. 26th November 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 23

Hon. Esther Passaris.

Hon. Kivai Ogesi.

Very well. Hon. Daniel Karitho. Is he in the House? Proceed.

Very many Members are on the queue. You have done your bit. Is Hon. Abdikadir Mohamed in the House? If he is not present, then we listen to Hon. John Makali. Hon. Abdikadir is in. Proceed. Hon. Makali, you will follow thereafter and then Hon. Memusi.

Very well. Hon. Makali.

Many Members are waiting to contribute. You have done your bit. Hon. Memusi.

Hon. Julius Taitumu. (Hon. Julius M’anaiba spoke off the record) Is the Member on the microphone? Please, update his microphone.

Hon. Adams Kipsanai, proceed.

Hon. Jane Kagiri.

Hon. Beatrice Kemei, you have been waiting and this is your chance.

Hon. Kitilai ole Ntutu.

Hon. Cynthia Muge has been waiting. Where is Hon. Cynthia? Let us have Hon. Omanyo.

Very well. Hon. Cynthia is now here. Please, just take a bite for three minutes. We shall give one more chance then we close. We are just recovering our time because we began late today.

Hon. George Gachagua.

Order, Hon. George. You can take your seat. You will have a balance of three minutes in the afternoon Sitting. Make sure you are here early to finish your contribution on this particular matter. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, be upstanding. The time being 1.10 p.m., this House stands adjourned until today,...