Omboko Milemba

Very well. Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a.

Let me give one more.

Finally, the Member for Nyando. Then I will call in the Cabinet Secretary to answer.

Okay. Thank you very much. Let us go for the questions because interest can be very high. Hon. KJ, take the last one. Members, remember we are supposed to have only one joyrider. I have really opened up the leverage. Proceed, Hon. KJ.

Cabinet Secretary, you may take those supplementary questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. In my submissions, I talked about two cochlear surgeons. Is there a need to increase their number? Yes, there is. We have a shortage, not just...

Your point is made. Cabinet Secretary, you can easily react to that. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, the issue is not placing them. Are they there? We want to build capacity, in terms of training to ensure that we have adequate number of...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members, the Ministry has made significant efforts in reduction of teenage pregnancies, as evidenced in the recent Kenya Demographic Health Survey of 2022 from 18 per cent in 2014 to 15 per cent in 2022....

I will take any joyriders. Proceed, Member.

Cabinet Secretary, The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. This is a shared function in terms of implementation. As a Ministry, we have developed the necessary documents, which we will be launching. These documents will then be used by different stakeholders to manage...

Hon. Oundo, you have just brought back the same Question through a point of order. Honestly, that is not the way to go and therefore the Question is dropped. I would then advise that you can have time with the Cabinet Secretary of which I am asking her to give...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members. On the issue to indicate the company that dumped contaminated maize flour at Kang’oki dumpsite in Kamenu Ward in Thika Town, my Ministry reached out to the county for more information on...

I can take two joyriders. First will be the Member for Kibra. Proceed.

Hon. Kawanjiku.

Order, Member. You have done very well, and the last question you are belabouring is exactly what was asked by the Member for Kibra. Could we hear Hon. Gikaria as the last joy rider?

Cabinet Secretary. Chairman, let

Thank you, Chairman, you have done well. Let us get the answer from the Cabinet Secretary. There are gaps. You had done very well, but look at this particular one in terms of answering the real Question. Which company? What have you undertaken? Remember again that even if it was...

No. You are out of order, Hon. Bisau. The Cabinet Secretary has not asked you for help. Now that you are unable to ask any question, let me give the last opportunity to another Member. Yes, Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a. That is the last one.

You have made your point. I know there is the issue of identity. Looking at the first Question, it is asking about the identity of the company. Cabinet Secretary, that is the Question and what killed the people. As you 4th October 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 58 answer, we are...

Cabinet Secretary, you may take that one. Then, I will give the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health a chance to give the last remarks before I release you. The Cabinet Secretary for Health (Dr Susan Nakhumicha) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On the last question raised, rehabilitation...

Thank you, Madam Cabinet Secretary. You have done very well. It has been great having you interact with the House. You have also been very strong having stood in your place for over four hours to answer Questions from the Members. We now want to release you. Thank you. Could...

Hon. Kiarie.

To have the first bite on this one, we have Hon. Ibrahim Saney of Wajir North. Hon. Kibet Komingoi? Hon. Onyango K'Oyoo, are you interested in this one?

Let us start with Hon. Ng'ang'a.

Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe.

Hon. Geoffrey Mwangi is the next to speak on this. Next is Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

Please pronounce yourself on that because I listened to the point of order very clearly.

Order, Hon. Rindikiri. Take your seat. You want to spoil a good debate. We were listening to you very carefully with our third ear. You have been asked whether this Bill was in the House. Was it rejected? That can influence the thinking of Members. Proceed and pronounce yourself on...

Hon. Rindikiri, proceed. (Hon. David Kiplagat spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Member. I have not given you a chance.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Very well. There are outstanding contributions from every Member who is speaking on this. It is very exciting to listen to those late-date debates. Let us now have the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning to also weigh in on this.

Very well. The Bill is now a property of the House. You do not need to worry. It is the position of the Committee and that is why we are debating. We may proceed. Let us hear from Hon. Harrison Kombe of Magarini Constituency.

Hon. David Kiplagat, I had given you a chance to speak. Excuse me. I had given a chance to another Member. Hon. Kiplagat. Please, take your seat. Hon. Julius Rutto, I gave you a chance to speak but, unfortunately, two microphones went on at the same time and so, Hon....

Very well. Let me give this chance to Hon. David Kiplagat, after which we will have Hon. Kawanjiku.

Hon. John Kawanjiku.

Let us have Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose.

Mover.

We shall defer putting the Question until the next sitting. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. Second Reading THE KENYA DRUGS AUTHORITY BILL Mover.

Hon. Pukose, you will still have 26 minutes to continue moving this Bill. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being

Thank you. Hon. Members, the Sugar Bill has attracted a lot of interest. My requests screen is full. I want to ask you to be magnanimous enough to limit your speeches if you can, so that more Members can speak. Remember, at exactly 5.30 p.m. we should adjourn because we...

Hon. Malulu Injendi.

Hon. Martin Owino, you are next on the list.

Hon. David Ochieng’. Please be as brief as you can so that many Members can speak on the Bill.

Hon. K’Oyoo.

Let us now hear a voice from outside the sugar belt - Hon John Waweru.

Departmental Committee Chairman, what is out of order?

Order, Hon. Kiarie. Let us hear what the Departmental Committee Chair has to say. You are on a point of order, Hon. Mutunga.

You may proceed, Hon. Kiarie.

Order, Hon. Member. The Member for Bumula is also on a point of order. Proceed, Hon. Wamboka.

Hon. Members, a Member has risen in his place… (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Ruku. This is a House of rules. Do not presume a seat that can also turn very fiery. (Laughter)

Hon. Wangwe, you have five minutes. Proceed, Chair of Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Member for Lurambi, you have one minute.

It is now time for the Mover to wind up this debate.

Thank you. It was in our interest the Speaker directed that this Bill moves and you realise it is very important. That is why it is also attracting a lot of good attention in the House. To the Members who have not spoken on it, please, we shall fix this...

Thank you. To have the first bite on this one is Hon. Oundo.

I do not think Hon. Mary Emaase is a security officer. Next to speak on this is Hon. Marwa Kitamaya. Is he in the House? That means that this list may not be correctly in place, and therefore, let me ask the Member to proceed.

Hon. David Kiplagat, Member for Soy. He is not in the House. Hon. Peter Kihungi, Member for Kangema. Let us have Hon. Makali.

Hon. Geoffrey Ruku or are you not ready to speak to this?

Hon. Bisau Kakai

Hon. Adan Haji, Mandera West.

Very well. Hon. Andrew Okuome.

Very well. Hon. John Waluke, you may proceed. [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Omboko Milemba) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) took the Chair]

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I decided to sit here and queue so that Members can understand that even we in the Speaker’s Panel do queue. Thank you for this chance you have given me. I thank Hon. Mary for moving this Motion of Adjournment. It deals with...

Now that is proper. Hon. Nabii Nabwere.

Thank you very much. Very well. (Question proposed) I will give the first bite to Hon. Julius Melly.

Very well, Hon. Bady Bady, Jomvu Constituency.

Thank you for contributing and for having your bite. Let us have Hon. Makali but be magnanimous enough to allow everyone in the House to speak on this. Proceed, Hon. Makali.

Order. Allow Hon. Makali to proceed.

Hon. James Nyikal.

Hon. Members, let us be upstanding. This Bill has attracted a lot of attention. Members who have not spoken to it will do so next time, beginning with Hon. Salasya, who I am told had a similar Bill. Hon. Nyikal, you still have a balance of four minutes if you...

Hon. Faith Gitau.

Very well. Hon. Deputy Speaker. 15th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 25

Very well. Hon. Caleb Luyai, Member for Saboti. Is he in the House? Proceed.

Let us have Hon. Didmus Barasa, but before then, Hon. Members, let me acknowledge the presence, in the Speakers’ Gallery, even if they have left, pupils from the following schools: Eronge Adventist Primary School in Bonchari Constituency, Kisii County; Tassia School in Embakasi West Constituency, Nairobi City County; and, Garissa...

Sorry, Hon. Barasa. There were students seated in the Speakers’ Gallery from Mt. Kenya Baptist School, Nanyuki, Laikipia East Constituency, Laikipia County. Thank you. You may proceed.

Hon. James Nyikal.

Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

On a point of order. Yes, Hon. Milemba. Really, it is not to intentionally interrupt my friend on the Floor. Somewhat, it is about the three previous Members whom you have given a chance to speak. They continuously refer to you as Chair. I wonder what is really happening. This...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker and cabinet secretaries. Let me thank the Cabinet Secretary for Interior and National Administration for stopping this process. However, it looked like a pearl harbour to you. You did not seem to know that we would wake up and have all those queues not only at...

Very well. Minister. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, this case of the late Ms. Elmia Abbas – who, unfortunately, during this incident was expectant – and Ms. Naima Abbas, who was 13 years old, is a sad matter that happened in 2019 near...

Well, that matter was already over; and wound up. I only gave you a chance because you rose on a point of order. However, that matter is already spent. Let us allow the Hon. Member who had asked the Question to proceed with the first bite of a supplementary question.

Very well, Hon. Member. Yes, Hon. Umi. Proceed with your question.

This question has been fairly dealt with. Remember, the Cabinet Secretary has accepted that there will be compensation. So, we should not spend too much time on it. However, Hon. Cabinet Secretary, as you will be answering the just-asked question by Hon. Umi, remember that you have not fully answered...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, as a former ranking Member, you need to help me guide the House. Ideally, supplementary questions must relate to the Question that I am answering. I want to tell my good sisters that the matter asked...

Thank you. That was a point of order. I deliberately gave it to Hon. Kaluma, who has properly covered it. Honourable CS, I also want to protect you from supplementary questions irrelevant to the Question you had been asked to answer before this House. They may be required to ask...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, KDF established Odha Camp in the early 1980s for the purpose of supporting civil authority in the maintenance of peace in Moyale and its environment, particularly to deter incursions due to prolonged regional conflict leading to...

Hon. Members, are there any supplementary questions? There being none, I will allow the Cabinet Secretary to make final remarks on the matter. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, Hon. Jaldesa is a very respected professional but I want to go on record that...

Hon. Members, we can have a tête-à-tête. We are in the House. Let us move to Question 313 of 2023 by Hon. Phylis Bartoo. Question 313/2023 COMPENSATION FOR RETIRED KDF CPL J.K. CHERUIYOT FOR INJURIES SUSTAINED IN IED EXPLOSION

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Speaker, in tandem with the Service Regulation of the KDF, a medical board was conducted in 2014. It recommended a compensation to the service member at a rate of 50 per cent. Subsequently, his file was submitted to...

Professor, you seem to indicate that not all the monies have been paid and the Cabinet Secretary has heard you. Is there any other supplementary question? Yes, Hon. Dorothy. Proceed.

Proceed Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Question by Hon. Phyllis Bartoo is very clear. Maybe the ex-Corporal Jackson Kimeli of the Third Kenya Rifles Battalion did not give you full details of his case. I have said that according to...

Thank you. We shall see when you have brought up the Question. Meanwhile, I want to put the record straight that the Member referred to by the Cabinet Secretary is Nominated Member, Hon. Dorothy Muthoni of UDA Party. That is for record purposes. 9th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 44...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, Ex-Senior Sergeant Odhiambo vacated the barracks as his Run out Date (ROD) of 30th August 2019 approached, abandoning his family in the camp. So, his date of discharge was on 30th of August 2019. Before then,...

Very well. Is there any other supplementary question on this matter? In the absence of the same, I guide that, because the last two Questions are substantive, the Cabinet Secretary comes back another day to deal with them. However, let me call the Cabinet Secretary to answer the first two...

Very well. Again, I think the Cabinet Secretary was magnanimous enough to indicate that you put all these things in writing. In fact, he insinuated that he would like to have a meeting with you because he also wants to look at the documents you have. I guide that you...

Thank you. We have wound up here. You had an interest, Hon. Maungu. What is your interest? Then we will close this matter.

What is your point of order, Hon. Didmus Barasa? You have the microphone. Proceed. (Hon Didmus Barasa spoke off-record) Give Hon. Barasa the microphone. Use the one on your left.

Thank you. Hon. Maungu, this matter had been dealt with, but let me give you 30 seconds to conclude what you were saying.

That issue was thoroughly dealt with. Yes, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

The House has other business to conduct. Cabinet Secretary, answer Hon. Kamket’s question and make any other brief remarks. The Cabinet Secretary for Defence (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, Hon. Kamket’s statement is very controversial. He shared it with me when we were in the North Rift region,...

Order, Hon. Didmus Barasa. You must move this Bill to be read a Second Time. Go back and begin properly and say that: “I beg to move that this Bill be read a Second Time.”

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Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me congratulate Hon. Barasa for walking the journey by bringing this Bill to this House. Let me indicate that this is one of the main suffering all the workers of this country, especially the teachers of Kenya undergo except the armed forces – I...