Omboko Milemba

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Let me thank the young parliamentarian for this Statement Request. Let me be quick to say that what happened yesterday with Worldcoin, which is closely associated with cryptocurrency, which has been banned and is also having challenges around the world in terms of its credibility, was...

Proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The clean-up is regular. However, note that the clean-up process of the entire system requires funding. When we do not have the money to do it, we may not do it as...

That means you are fully satisfied. Any other Member? 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 49

Cabinet Secretary, that is a very common question and it is cross-cutting. Proceed and answer it. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you Hon. Temporary Speaker. I hear Members and I hear the cries from the beneficiaries. Some are put in place in...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, answer the question. (Laughter) 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 50 and agree on who to bring on board and who is to be the care-giver of that beneficiary. Some of those beneficiaries are too old to go for the money. So, there is a care-giver within...

Cabinet Secretary, that question(Loud consultations) REGISTRATION OF CANCER SURVIVORS AS PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES (PWDS)

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, and Member of Parliament for Kiambu, Hon. Machua Waithaka for the Question. Registration of persons living with disabilities is provided for under the Persons with Disabilities Act, No.14 of 2003. Section...

I think that is enough. Yes, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Thank you, Member for that Question. I may not be able to answer that Question because I do not know the number of oncologists we...

Again, that borders on the issue of relevance to the Question we are dealing with. However, stay around because I noticed Hon. Gonzi Rai has a number of questions that will deal with that matter. Is there any other question? Yes.

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Asante kwa swali ambalo nimeulizwa na Mhe. Rubani. Ni kweli watu huwa wanaenda safari ndefu na wanatumia ile pesa ambayo wanaenda kuchukua. Kwa hivyo, kama Wizara, tunataka kufanya mazungumzo na shirika...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The response to the first Question is that Article 54 Sub-Article 1 of the Constitution provides that persons with disabilities should have reasonable access to public amenities. he Persons with Disabilities...

Hon. Mishi, the issue with the time frame came out clearly. Cabinet Secretary, you may proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Mishi Mboko. If you heard me well, for us to improve the disability space, my...

Yes, Cabinet Secretary. 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 57 put them in the system. We have even improved the card such that even with a phone, you are able to identify a person with disability as the legal holder of that card. Very well. Cabinet Secretary, you have talked...

Proceed, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, and the Member for Kinango Constituency, Hon. Gonzi Rai for the Question. My response is that there were some delays in the payments of the Inua Jamii Programme beneficiaries for...

Proceed. (Hon. Gonzi Rai consulted with Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a) Hon. Gonzi Rai, that is not how we conduct parliamentary business. Proceed and execute your matter. Hon. Member, you will be given permission through the Speaker.

Yes, Hon. Alice. Do you have a supplementary question? If so, proceed.

What is your point of order? You are yet to become a Cabinet Secretary. (Laughter) 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 59 done before. His Excellency the President gave us a directive that the beneficiaries be paid before the rest of the salaries are paid because the beneficiaries are vulnerable...

The question is put. Thank you. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Once we get the funds, we will start paying the 500,000 people. However, we should not have a problem of delays anymore because we have...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Forence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Thank you, Member for Keiyo South, Hon Gideon Kimaiyo. My response to the Question on unemployment is that unemployment, underemployment and the poor working conditions have been identified as one of...

Cabinet Secretary The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo for the Supplementary Question. On Arror and Kimwarer dams, any project that comes anywhere will always generate jobs. We look forward to those new projects. On when...

Order. Let us have the Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Ruweida. Nimesikia kilio cha watu wako. Nimesikia maswali mawili ambayo umeuliza. Moja tu ndilo langu. Hilo la kwanza unataka orodha ya waliofaidika kutoka Eneo...

Cabinet Secretary, I think you have answered similar Questions. Proceed. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Yes, Hon Temporary Speaker. I thank the Member of Parliament for Machakos Town, Hon. Caleb Mule for the Question. The factors which are considered for deregistering Inua Jamii...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, make a comment on this. It is a cross-cutting issue. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As soon as we get money from the National Treasury, we will pay, but before we do, we have to...

Order, Hon. Member. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : It is the system. We shall not have a tête-à-tête in the House. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, speak to this matter. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Hon. Temporary Speaker,...

Yes, Hon. Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, let the Member know that it is the work of the National Treasury to open and close the IFMIS. They have reasons to do that. I invite you to the Ministry...

The Deputy Majority Leader, that is why I gave you that chance. Being a ranking Member, I knew you will speak on that. Any other supplementary question? Yes, Hon. Alice. 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 66 Order, Hon. Minister! This is a House of rules and order. Proceed, Hon....

Minister. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. When we have a situation of a deceased beneficiary, the banks retain the money because we give them money through banks. The banks refund the money to the Ministry after a period...

Very well. That gives us an opportunity to go to Question 328/2023 by the Member for Likoni, Hon. Mishi Mboko. Question 328/2023 STATUS OF BENEFICIARIES UNDER INUA JAMII PROGRAMME IN LIKONI SUB-COUNTY

Minister, you notice that there is a lot of repetition. That shows the importance of your Ministry on matters related to the Inua Jamii Programme. Proceed. 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 67 The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore): Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On...

Very well. Any other supplementary questions? Yes, Member for Migori County. Proceed. Each time you want to ask a supplementary question, just put your card in the intervention slot and we will see you. Proceed, Member for Migori County.

I think the first question may not fall under the docket of the Cabinet Secretary, but she may proceed to answer the second one. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and the Member of Parliament for Migori. I hear...

Cabinet Secretary, for the sake of the Member who had requested that particular response from you, please, proceed and answer that question. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me clarify this one more time. Beneficiaries of the Inua...

I still give you this chance, Cabinet Secretary, because I notice there is a challenge. I have been approached as the Temporary Speaker by the Members of Parliament to ask you to identify those individuals who are doing that job. So be very clear on this matter and rest it....

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms. Florence Bore) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Hon. Gonzi Rai, the Question you have asked is not related to my Ministry. It is related to the Ministry of Public Service, Gender and Affirmative Action. You may direct it...

Thank you. I will ask the Clerks- at-the-Table to defer this Question because Questions really queue. By the time they arrive here, it is a process. I want, with magnanimity, to ask the Clerks to defer this Question. When the relevant Cabinet Secretary will be appearing, please, give Hon. Gonzi...

Cabinet Secretary, you have an answer for that? 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 71 The Cabinet Secretary for Labour and Social Protection (Ms Florence Bore): Yes. On the first question about deregistration, we depend on the Department of Civil Registration. They are the ones who issue death certificates and...

Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, the Cabinet Secretary has a background of teaching like me. Standing is a part of the business. She understands that. Thank you, Waziri. Let us move to the next Order. THE PENSIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL Hon. Didmus Barasa is not in the House. Yes, Deputy...

We have to deal with them according to our House rules, business per business. That one is deferred to the next sitting. 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 72 (Bill deferred) Next Order. THE NATIONAL CONSTRUCTION AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL

(Bill deferred)Well, taken. The next Order is by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO MAIZE FLOUR SUBSIDY PROGRAMME FOR 2022/2023

Next Order, by the Chairperson of Special Funds Accounts Committee. She is absent. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON FINANCIAL STATEMENTS FOR VARIOUS FUNDS Committee on its consideration of the Report of the Auditor-General on the

The matter is deferred. 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 73 (Motion deferred) The next Order is by the Chairperson of the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education. Yes, the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON FINANCIAL STATEMENTS OF STATE CORPORATIONS (REGULATORY AND GOVERNANCE AGENCIES)...

Next Order, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.. THE FOOD AND FEED SAFETY CONTROL COORDINATION BILL THE STATUTE LAW (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) BILL THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST BILL

The matters are deferred. NOTING OF REPORT OF KENYA DELEGATION TO 146TH ASSEMBLY OF THE IPU AND RELATED MEETINGS IN BAHRAIN 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 74 THAT, this House notes the Report of the Kenya Delegation to the 146th Assembly of the Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) and related Meetings,...

Next Order, Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe or the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.. THE SUGAR BILL

Thank you, Hon. Members. ADJOURNMENT Hon Members, there being no other business and the time being 8.20 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Thursday, 3rd August 2023 at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 8.20 p.m. 2nd August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 75 Published by Clerk of the National Assembly...

Next on the request list is Hon. Gideon Kimaiyo. If he is not here, let us have Hon. Janet Sitienei. It seems like Hon. Janet is also not here. Let us have Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri.

Hon. K’oyoo, do you want to speak on this debate?

Thank you. Hon. Shakeel Shabbir.

Next is Hon. Abraham Kirwa. In his absentia, let us have Hon. Paul Biego. Is he in the House? Proceed.

Hon. Joshua Mwalyo.

Very well. Let us have Hon. Joshua Kandie, the Member for Baringo Central. Hon. Joshua Kandie (Baringo Central, UDA) ]: Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to support this Amendment Bill. It has come at the right time. The values and principles of the Public Service include high standards...

Hon. Members, there being no further interest, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Very well. The Question shall be put in the next session. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE PUBLIC SERVICE INTERNSHIP BILL

Thank you, Hon. Kandie. Hon. Members, a Member has risen in his place and raised a matter concerning quorum. Having looked around the Chamber, I confirm that, indeed, there is no quorum. Therefore, I ask the Serjeant-at-Arms to ring the Bell. (The Quorum Bell was rung) 26th July 2023 NATIONAL...

Hon. Tindi Mwale.

Very well. Hon. Members, if you have keyed in, I am able to see you here. There is no need to even raise your hand. The next in the line is Hon. Phylis Bartoo. Is she in the House? Proceed.

Very well. Hon. Robert Pukose is not in the House. Next is Hon. John Mutunga, Tigania West.

Hon. Caroline Ng’elechei.

Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, Member for Westlands.

Hon. Thuku Kwenya.

Order, Hon Members! You are doing everything wrong. Please, as you come in the Chamber, maintain the calmness of the House and do not pass between the Chair and the Member who is speaking. 6th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30 Hon. Johana Ng’eno.(Loud consultations)

Hon. Rachael Nyamai, Kitui South.

Order. The Member who has just walked in should go back and properly follow the rules of the House. You cannot criss-cross the Chamber. Go back, please. You are completely prejudicing the House. Proceed, Hon. Nyamai.

Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Is that the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

Mover proceed.

Order, Hon. Members! Having confirmed that we have the requisite numbers, I will now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order! REPORT ON APPROVAL OF THE DEFENCE CO-OPERATION AGREEMENT BETWEEN KENYA AND SEYCHELLES Did we have any Member on the Floor? There was no one on the...

Very well. Hon. John Kiragu, Member for Limuru. He is not in the House. Hon. John Mutunga, Member for Tigania West.

Order, Hon. Mutunga. May I bring the Members to speed that we are on the Motion on Adoption of Report on the Approval of the Defence Cooperation Agreement Between the Republic of Kenya and the Government of the Republic of Seychelles. You may proceed.

Hon Members, a Member has risen in his place under Standing Order 95, to move that the Mover be called upon to reply. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be called upon to reply?

Mover, proceed to reply.

Having confirmed that we have the requisite numbers, I now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON CONSOLIDATED FUND SERVICE EXPENDITURES FOR 2023/2024 BUDGET ESTIMATES

Hon. Daudi.

The first person to take a bite on this one is Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Every Member will have a maximum of five minutes to speak. Proceed Hon. Elachi.

Hon. Thuku Kwenya.

Hon. (Dr) Wilberforce Oundo.

Well spoken, except for your last remarks on universities. All universities are great in training our students. The next to speak on this matter is Hon. KJ. I saw your name here. Did you want to speak on this one? (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off record) Then let us have...

Very well said, but kindly, mind your language. Strictly stick to the rule on parliamentary language. Let us hear Hon. David Mwalika Mboni. Again, let me caution Members against speaking about people who are not in the House and, therefore, cannot defend themselves. You may proceed.

Well spoken. Next to speak to this Report is Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

Senior, you have had your bite. The list of requests to speak is slightly longer. The next Member to speak on this Motion is Hon. Abdikadir Mohamed.

Hon. Augustine Mwafrika

Hon. Amos Mwago, Member for Starehe.

Hon. John Waweru, you are back on the screen. Are you now ready? Proceed.

Hon. Jessica Mbalu, you are elegantly dressed. Please, proceed.

Hon. Fatuma Mohammed.

Hon. Fatuma, the big cars are really scaring you. Well spoken. Let us have Hon. Catherine Omanyo on the same.

Hon. Members, there being no other Member interested in speaking to the Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Thank you. We shall defer putting of the Question to the next session. (Putting of the Question deferred) Hon. Members, given that we are proceeding on a short recess, on behalf of the Speaker, I wish all of you well as you depart to your respective constituencies. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members,...

Very well. Before we have the next speaker, let me acknowledge the students of Murindu Highway Primary School from Gilgil Constituency, Nakuru County who are seated in the Pubic Gallery. Hon. Members, remember that anyone speaking to this Motion will have five minutes each. Let us have Hon. Gitonga Murugara.

Very well. Hon. Wilberforce Oundo, Funyula Constituency.

Hon. John Kawanjiku.

Hon. Francis Sigei from Sotik. Is he in the House? Him not desiring to be in the House, could we have Hon. Bashir Abdullahi from Mandera? Very well, therefore, we move to Hon. Kibet Komingoi. Proceed.

Hon. Kamene.

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi. I notice that you are not appearing on the screen. If you want to speak on this Motion, check your cards. You may proceed.

Hon. Beatrice Adagala.

Hon. Charles Onchoke.

Very well. Next to speak on this is Hon. Paul Nabuin.

Very well. Hon. Farah, Member for Fafi Constituency.

Hon. Memusi Kanchory, Kajiado Central.

Hon Kuria Kimani.

Hon. Agnes Pareyio.

Hon. Paul Biego. Is he in the House? He is absent. Hon. Kimei. You have the microphone, proceed.

We have a Special Motion coming up. So, the last Member to speak on this Motion will be Hon. Abraham Kirwa, Member for Mosop.

Order, Member. Hon. Mwafrika,

Very well. A Member has risen in his place under Standing Order 95 that the Mover be called upon to reply. Hon. Kirwa, you can finish your contribution then I shall call upon the Mover to reply.

Is the Mover in the House? Yes, Hon. Baya, proceed.

Thank you. We shall defer putting of the Question on this matter until the next session. (Putting of the Question deferred) Hon. Members, the time now is 5.31 p.m. You remember that the Speaker approved a Motion of adjournment on a definite matter of urgent national importance regarding insecurity in...

Very well. Hon. Peter Salasya will have the first bite on this discussion.

Hon. Geoffrey Ruku.

Very well. Hon. Gabriel Tongoyo.

Hon. Bishop Jackson Kosgei.

Hon. Naomi Waqo

Order, Hon. Member. You are crisscrossing the Floor. In fact, you have done so twice. Just go back and do the correct thing. (Hon. Yussuf Farah walked to the Bar and bowed) 29th June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42 Please, come back to the House in an orderly way. Do...

Hon. Benard Kibor, what is your point of order?

You may proceed, Hon. Tindi.

Very well. Next is the Member for Wajir South, Hon. Mohamed Adow.

Member for Emgwen, Hon. Josses Lelmengit.

Next is Hon. Yusuf Mohamed.

Let us have Hon. Augustine Mwafrika from Roysambu.

Hon. Pamela Njoki Njeru.

Hon. Joseph Oyula, Member for Butula.

Hon. Abdi Ali, the Member for Ijara, is next.

Did you say you also have a militia? (Laughter)

Very well. Hon. Farah.

You have had your bite of the apple, senior. Other Members have also been waiting to contribute. Let us have Hon. Jackson Lekumontare from Samburu. He is also from those areas. Proceed.

Let us give a chance to Hon. Paul Biego. You have two minutes.

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Hon. Members, let us be upstanding. The time now being 7.01 p.m., the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 4th July 2023 at 2.30 pm. The House rose at 7.01 p.m. 29th June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52 Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi 29th June 2023...

Very well. Hon. Members, let us limit the movement to the Speaker’s desk. Next let us have Hon. Martin Owino, Member for Ndhiwa. Is he in the House? Please, proceed.

Very well. Hon. John Kawanjiku. Is he in the House? Kawanjiku, I am told that you have already spoken on this Bill. (Loud consultations)

Thank you. You have had your bite. Hon. Odege, proceed.

Very well. Hon. Wanjiku Muhia.