Omboko Milemba

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Hon. Omboko Milemba. Keep it brief because it is a point of order. Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock has to rise to the occasion. The matter raised by the Member is serious....

Order. On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Owen Baya spoke off the record) Take your seat, please. On which point of order are you rising? I want to raise a point of order. Which point of order have you risen on? It is not right, Hon. Temporary...

Leader, you should take your place. Every Member is having a comment on your earlier statement. Next is the veteran Member of Parliament, Hon. Adan Keynan.

Hon. Joseph Makilap.

Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

Order!

Hon. Jackson Kosgei.

Hon. Suzanne.

Hon. Ochanda.

No! The interest is overwhelming. It is okay. With those few remarks, I support the Bill with amendments. Hon. Julius Melly.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to support the Petition presented by Hon. (Dr) Pukose. The issues raised by the medical doctors who demonstrated need to be addressed. Their internship ended and they need to be absorbed by the Government. I would also like to tell Hon. Pukose that this...

Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Thank you. I will consider that question after Hon. Naomi Waqo has contributed. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for allowing me to give my input on this very important debate on the Natural Resources (Benefits Sharing) Bill (Senate Bill No.6 of 2022) . We know that many counties in our...

Very well. We do not have a lacuna. You can refer to the law and the Constitution for the definition of a money Bill. Hon. Chairperson, do you have a rejoinder?

Thank you very much. The Mover has concluded his business. I oblige to his request to defer the putting of the Question until the next Sitting. (Putting of the Question deferred) THE REGIONAL DEVELOPMENT AUTHORITIES BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILL NO.7 OF 2023) Hon. Chairperson.

Yes Major. 7th March 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 52 Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to second the Regional Development Authorities Bill (National Assembly Bill No.7 of 2023).As mentioned by the Chair of our Committee, whom I want to congratulate on behalf of other Members for taking us through...

Hon. Adan Haji.

Hon. Robert Basil, Member of Parliament for Yatta Constituency.

Hon. Geoffrey Mwangi.

Hon. James Nyikal.

Hon. Liza Chelule, do you want to speak on this Bill?

Hon. Francis Sigei.

Hon. Andrew Okuome.

Hon. Gitonga Murugara.

Hon. Jackson Lekumontare.

Hon. John Mutunga, Member for Tigania West.

Hon. Maina Mathenge, Member for Nyeri Town. He might be the last one to speak on this because, as directed by the substantive Speaker, we shall be moving to the Statements on constitutional amendments, but I will be speaking on that. For now, Hon. Mathenge, you may proceed.

Order, Hon. Mathenge. You have a balance of eight minutes to speak on this Bill, which we shall give you during the next session. COMMENTS ON LEGISLATIVE PROPOSALS TO AMEND ARTICLES 88 AND 89 OF THE CONSTITUTION The time now being 6.00 p.m., pursuant to the earlier directive issued by...

The Hon. Adan Haji, Mandera West.

The Hon. Moses Kirima. Is he in the House? Ordinarily, he would be here. Okay, proceed.

The Hon. Joshua Kimilu.

Very well. Let us get some insights from the Chairman of the Justice and Legal Affairs Committee.

Hon. Abdul Haro.

Hon. Lilian Gogo.

Very well. Is Hon Bashir Abdullahi in the House? Oh no. He is the Mover. You do not need to speak on this Hon. Alice Ng’ang’a. Let us get Hon. Maina Mathenge.

Very well. Hon. Julius ole Sunkuli, you are a beneficiary of balancing. Proceed.

Hon. John Kaguchia.

Very well. Hon. Geoffrey Mwangi.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Members, we may rise. These two constitutional matters will be looked at again when the House Business Committee schedules them again. The time being 7:00 p.m., the House stands adjourned until Tuesday, 12th March 2024, at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 7.00 p.m. 7th March 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 44 (2) (c) , I rise to request for a Statement from the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning regarding delays in establishing the Board of Trustees of the Public Service Superannuation Scheme. The Scheme is...

Thank you for that intervention. Leader of Minority Party, it was expected that you would make a very short comment on this matter. Ordinarily, as he has put it, we do not debate requests for Statements. Please, conclude.

Hon. Leader of the Majority Party, you will have to conclude in a short while, but I will still give you the microphone so that we do not exacerbate debate on this Statement. Proceed for one minute.

Very well. Like the substantive Speaker would put it, let the chips lie where they fell. Therefore, that Statement be directed to the relevant committee and we shall have a chance to speak on it when it is back to the House. 29th February 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 10 DELAYED...

Very well, the Statement is referred to the Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives. The next Statement is from Hon. Melly, Chairperson of the Committee on Education. STATEMENTS PROGRESS REPORT ON UNIVERSITIES AND COLLEGES PLACEMENT APPLICATION PROCESS

Thank you for bringing the Statement to the House on time. Yes, Hon. Member. Do you want to weigh in on this? You have the microphone.

Hon. K.J.

I think we can conclude on this and move to the next Statement by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, you have a response to a request for Statement by the Member for Kajiado North. STATUS OF LAUNCHED ROAD PROJECTS IN KAJIADO NORTH CONSTITUENCY

Very well. Before we get a rebut from the Member of Parliament for Kajiado North, let me welcome Hon. Captain Ruweida to welcome the students of Mt. Kenya University if they are still in the House.

Asante sana. 29th February 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 16 North.

Hon. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, order. A Member is insisting that you listen to what he has to say. Thank you. Proceed.

Very well. There being no other interest in that matter, I call upon the Chairman to only speak on two issues. One, do you have the exact date for the resumption of work on those roads? That is what the Hon. Member has said. Secondly, respond to the matter concerning...

Very well. Hon. Member, liaise with the Chairman to get the exact date. In the event you do not get it, report to the House accordingly. Next is the Leader of the Majority Party, on his usual Thursday Statement. BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK OF 5TH – 9TH MARCH 2024

Before we move to the next order, let me acknowledge the presence of Sabasaba Secondary School, Maragua Constituency, Murang'a County, in the House. Do we have any Hon. Members from Murang'a County to welcome the students? Proceed.

Very Well, next order. THE EMPLOYMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILL NO.11 OF 2022)

You have not pronounced yourself clearly on the Standing Order that you are raising. You are combining two things there: Mover to reply and Quorum. What are you talking about, Hon. Member?

Hon. Elachi.

Hon. Beatrice Kemei.

Hon. Thuku Kwenya.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The matter raised by Leader of the Minority Party is very serious. As a follower of all the issues that concern budget-making and legislation, I am quick to say that should not happen. I am aware that a number of Committees have been meeting including the...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I rise under Standing Order 53 (3) to request that the putting of the Question on this matter be deferred to a later date.

Very well. The next to speak on this is Hon. Nicholas Ng’ikor.

Hon. Phylis Bartoo. Hon. Tindi Mwale.

Proceed, Member for Butere.

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

Hon. Oundo. 27th February 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 27 Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support the Public Investments Committee on Social Services, Administration and Agriculture on its consideration of the Report of the Auditor General on non-compliant State corporations. We are now starting to reap the benefits of splitting...

Order, Hon. T.J. A Member has moved that the Mover be called upon to reply under Standing Order 95. Is that the mood of the House? (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and negatived) The Noes have it and, therefore, the debate continues. Next is...

Hon. Kajwang’, what is your point of order?

Very well, Hon. T.J. But the matter you are raising has been overtaken by events. The debate is continuing. Next is Hon. Koech.

Hon. Cynthia Muge.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi.

Hon. Peter Kihungi.

Hon. Passaris.

Sometimes, it becomes mechanical for the Speaker to respond to your point of orders. Therefore, a Member has, for the second time, risen up in her place requesting that we call upon the Mover to reply. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to)...

Hon. Members, we will defer the putting of the Question.

Thank you, Hon. Koech. We shall defer the putting of the question until a later date. 27th February 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33 Next Order! THE STATUTE LAW (MISCELLANEOUS AMENDMENTS) (NO.2) BILL Majority Whip.

This is a Resumption of Debate. This particular Bill has already been moved by the Leader of the Majority Party. What I am not sure is who was on the Floor when debate on the Bill was interrupted. Was there anyone on the Floor? (The Temporary Speaker consulted with the...

I can see Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba. Your name does not appear here but please speak on this Bill.

Hon. Gathoni, for record purposes, I am usually very keen. I see your card has a challenge. Please, align that once you finish speaking on this Bill so that it appears on the Speaker’s screen. Proceed.

Very well. Next is Hon. Jane Kagiri.

Hon. Moses Kirima.

Hon. Edith Nyenze.

Hon. Rindikiri.

Very well, Hon. Rindikiri. Even as you stand on Standing Order 95, there is no further interest in this debate. Therefore, I call upon the Mover to reply. 27th February 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 46 Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. As I reply, let me first thank all the Members...

Very well. As I come in, let me give the first chance to the Deputy Speaker to speak on this matter because she has another business to undertake.

Very well. Whip of the Minority Party.

Thank you. The screen is full of people who are not in the House. Clerks-at-the-Table, please, clear the list. I do not see the women Members. Please, key in if you want to speak to this Motion. Hon. Elachi.

Hon. Kimani.

Very well. Hon. Donya Dorice. Is she in the House? We are just following the queue here. Next is Hon. Johana Ng’eno. Not in the House? Clear for me the list. Next is Hon. Zamzam Chimba. (Hon. Johana Kipyegon and Hon. Zamzam Mohammed stood up in their places) Sorry. Order!...

You have made you point. Proceed, Hon. Zamzam.

Hon. John Mutunga.

The Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

The Hon. John Waweru.

Very well, poet. Let us have Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Very well. Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

You have had your bite. Hon. Dick Maungu. 14th February 2024 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 37 Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also want to add my voice to this great debate, first and foremost, by applauding our sister, Hon. Passaris, for coming up with a timely motion at...

Very well. The Hon. Member who was on the Floor, you may proceed. As much as possible, could we depoliticise this matter. It is very sensitive and sad. Proceed.

Thank you. Hon. Cecilia Ngitit. Hon. Cecilia A. Ngitit (Turkana County, UDA) : Thank you for giving me this opportunity to add my voice to the Adjournment Motion that has been brought up by Hon. Esther Passaris, the honourable County Member of Parliament for Nairobi. I do not know whether...

Hon. Rashid Bedzimba, the Member for Kisauni.

Ahsante sana. Mhe. Ruweida

Order, Hon. Member. Do not use the Hon. Temporary Speaker as your example, especially of beating women. We do not do that. However, I thank you for your contribution. Next, let us have Hon. Irene Mayaka.

Hon. Mary Emaase.

Very well. As directed by the substantive Speaker earlier, this Motion was to run up to 6.15 p.m. The time is 6.15 p.m., but a Member has risen from his place and asked me to look into the issue of quorum. I can confirm that there is no quorum. Therefore,...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me pick up from where Hon. Farah left off on the psychology of this. Apart from the foreigners coming to take stock and place by purchasing the privatised companies, individuals within Kenya who are actually in advantaged positions like the National Treasury, Ministries, and...

Hon. Mulanya, Member of Parliament for Nambale.

I wish you had come before I gave Mulanya a chance. I have the discretion not to go in your direction. Now that I had given an Hon. Member, Mr Mulanya, a chance, I will ask him to proceed.

Very well, Hon. Members. A Member had risen in his place on Standing Order number 95 that the Mover be called upon to reply, but I used my discretion powers bestowed upon me, to allow Hon. Mulanya, who was already on his feet, to speak on this matter. So, I...

Mover.

Very well. We shall put the Question at a later time. Hon. Members, while seated in this Chair, my business is to give you chance to speak on the business before the House. When you move that the Mover be called upon to reply and proceed to vote that it...

Proceed, Hon. Muriu.

Hon. Muriu, you were seconding the Motion. Please go on record as having done so.

Hon. John Mutunga will have the first bite of the cherry.

Is Hon. Timothy Toroitich in the House?

Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

Very well. I see a lot of interest on this debate. I can see a number of interventions, including from great minds on economics and finance. However, the last bite will go to Hon. John Kawanjiku. The rest of the Members will have a bite on this next time. Proceed.

Hon. Members, the time being

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. As you delivered that ruling, the last time another petition about hardship was on this floor, you also made a ruling. That particular day, the Chair of the Education Committee was in the House, and you made him give certain responses to Members....

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes. Hon. Speaker, as a religious person, just like other Members, you further directed that … The Cabinet Secretary for Roads, Transport and Public Works will be here to respond only to specific issues that have been raised and not to answer questions...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for this chance. It is true that since Independence, we have never had a tax policy. This is the first one being prompted. I thank the Chairman and the Committee for having moved us a step forward to a tax policy which can generally manage...