George Peter Opondo Kaluma

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next is Hon. Dr James Nyikal, but before he gets the microphone, I would like to recognise students of Ansam Pioneer Primary School from Bomet East Constituency, Bomet County; Holy Rosary Girls Ortum High School from Pokot South Constituency, West Pokot County; and Njuri...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) There is no problem. Are they behind me? 8th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 16

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) After I recognise them, you will speak. I know that is your school, and the girls want to see you seated where they will sit in future. Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Robert Mbui.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) In fact, it was a point of information and correction. Hon. Mbui, proceed. Do not contradict your counterpart.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Robert Mbui. Before I call the next speaker, let me recognise and welcome the following institutions to Parliament: St. Mary’s Tabaka Girls Primary School from South Mugirango Constituency in Kisii County; the Pilgrims Progressive School from Mavoko Constituency in Machakos County;...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Dorice Donya. I know, given a chance, you would have spoken the entire afternoon. It is because of your excitement on matters education. The students are welcome to the House of Parliament, particularly the National Assembly. Hon. Dido Raso.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you Hon. Dido Raso. Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Before we proceed with the Motion, let me recognise the following institutions both in the Speaker’s and Public Galleries. In the Speaker’s Gallery, we have St. Joseph High School Kitale, from Saboti Constituency, Trans Nzoia County. In the Public Gallery, we have Menengai Primary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi will not forgive me if he never welcomed the students to the House on behalf of the male gender.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I know all the youthful Members of Parliament want to speak but we have a way of doing things in Parliament. I request that we go back to the main business on the Floor. Hon. Samuel Atandi, you may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Owen Baya, that was a point of information forcibly imposed on Hon. Atandi. Hon. Atandi, you may proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Atandi. Let us have Hon. Cecilia Ngitit, and then Hon. Mary Emaase in that order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Cecilia Ngitit is always on point. Hon. Mary Emaase.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. John Waluke, Member for Sirisia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Catherine Omanyo, Member for Busia County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Catherine Omanyo. Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chemusei Constituency. Did I say Chemusei or Chesumei?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Biego. Hon. Zamzam Chimba, Member for Mombasa County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante sana kwa kuongea Kiswahili murwa. Mhe. Marwa Kitayama. Basi, Mhe. (Prof.) Phylis Bartoo, Mjumbe wa Eneo Bunge la Moiben, ninatumaini wewe pia utaongea kwa hiyo lugha ili wanafunzi wakuelewe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Millie Odhiambo, you are out of order. Hon. Owen, which servers are you talking about being opened? 8th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 33

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The server that Hon. Millie Odhiambo is talking about. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, before I give the next speaker who is Hon. (Dr) Naomi Waqo, the Member of Parliament for Marsabit, let me recognise pupils from the following institutions: Loboen Primary School, Keiyo South Constituency in Elgeyo Marakwet County and Seleng’ei Girls Boarding Primary School,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Irene Mayaka, Nominated Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) No. Do not respond. You need not have done that. Hon. Mayaka, substantiate or withdraw.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Owen. Hon. Irene, what substantiation requires of you is to give us the names of the members of the community you are talking about and confirmation of the community they belong to. If that is absent, I will require you to withdraw...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I know the Standing Orders allow presentation of such information. Is it to the next date? However, Hon. Irene Mayaka, is this something that should actually take our substantive time tomorrow?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Irene Mayaka, in line with our Standing Orders, when Parliament sits tomorrow, you will be substantiating the statement that critical leaders in the energy sector come from one community.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, Member of Parliament for Migori County, followed by Hon. Beatrice Adagala in that order. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Fatuma, your apology for being out of the House on other businesses when the Report you were to lay was ordered to proceed is granted by the House and duly recorded. You may proceed to contribute to this one.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Adagala.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I want to discourage points of order because you are eating into time of colleagues. Time is fast running out against the interest I still see from the Members here. So, unless it is critical, like Parliament is going to burn, Hon. Kimilu, I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) In terms of procedures of the House, that can only be moved at the beginning of the Motion. Out of your courtesy for one another, I would request Members to consolidate even within three minutes. Let us allow Members who have been waiting to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Adagala, you are protected. 8th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) What is the relationship between Hon. Beatrice Adagala and Hon. Millie Odhiambo? Hon. Millie Odhiambo, two people cannot speak at the same time here. Hon. Adagala will speak with your silence.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. Joshua Kimilu and Hon. Millie Odhiambo in that order. I request that you contribute for three minutes, so that we can proceed to the next business.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Fatuma Masito and Dr Eve Obara, contribute for two minutes each.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Asante, Hon. Fatuma Masito. Hon. (Dr) Eve Obara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Eve Obara, tomorrow, you will have four minutes when this particular Motion will be enlisted on the Order Paper. Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Wamboka, Members have great interest in your Motion. We request the House Business Committee (HBC) to schedule it for conclusion...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member of Parliament for Elgeyo Marakwet County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member of Parliament for West Pokot County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for West Pokot, your time is running out. Hon. Rael Kasiwai (West Pokot County, KUP) : Even as those Members complain, they are not mentioning the people who have been killed by the Marakwets or Turkanas. Three weeks ago, five ladies were killed...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Julius Melly, Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education and Research.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Next is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, Hon. (Dr) Christine Ombaka. Please, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. (Dr) Ombaka. Hon. Beatrice Adagala, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mary Emaase, Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice Elachi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Beatrice, you are not favoured. You are on top of the list. Because this issue has kept everybody in the House, I am going by the list. This is not about gender insensitivity. The people who will speak after you will be men...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. John Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Next is Hon. Eve Obara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, you are next.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Naomi Waqo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Waqo. Hon. Fatuma Mohammed, you are next.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jematiah Sergon has been waiting for long. Please proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Wa mwisho atakuwa ndugu, Mhe. Harrison Kombe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Mhe. Dekow, nakupa dakika moja tu kwa sababu tumepitisha muda wetu wa kawaida.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, even our systems recognise that we have gone beyond the stipulated time. This was an Adjournment Motion on a matter of national importance and the sobriety and seriousness with which we have discussed it allowed us to go beyond the stipulated time....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Never refer to the presiding Speaker as “Madam” again. You know the presiding Speaker is against anything that confuses gender. I am not a member of the LGBTQIA community. I am a biological adult Kenyan male. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Toroitich, Parliament normally benefits from your wisdom. I know you are anxious to rest. You are a very experienced lawyer. If the national Government makes laws cutting across all counties, then what will county assemblies do? Secondly, as you conclude, how can you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Toroitich. I hope the committee has listened to you on those aspects. As I have always said, it is a pleasure listening to you. Next is Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi, Member for Kwanza and lay cardinal of the Catholic Parish, Parliament Branch.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Wanyonyi. Next is Hon. Mwenje. Has he left? Hon. Amos Mwago, do you want to speak to this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Mwago, before you sit, do you have the Bill? Amos Maina (Starehe, JP) : I had read it. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Then I am grateful for your contribution. Is Hon. Phylis Bartoo in the House? She has stepped out. Let...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Canon Naomi Waqo. Let us have Hon. Josses Lelmengit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Josses Lelmengit. I recognise Hon. Paul Nzengu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I need a Member of the Committee to speak, so that they can elaborate on some issues. Hon. Kahindi Paul Katana, I imagine you sit in the Committee.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You have all the time to contribute and add to the elaborate presentations already made by the Chairperson to help Members understand this law in better detail.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Just a minute, Hon. Kahindi. In ensuring that there is no corruption by valuers, what is the Committee recommending in their report, in terms of the provisions that should be in the Bill? I am asking this question because of the last remark by...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chesumei. He has stepped out briefly to attend to a national issue. Hon. Abraham Kirwa, Member for Mosop. 25th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)(Technical hitch)Thank you, Hon. Kirwa. Hon. Stephen Mogaka, Member for West Mugirango. It is true, Hon. Mogaka. I was questioning where your usual energy had disappeared to. I was struggling to hear.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Stephen Mogaka, what did you say we use in lieu of titles? What is that thing you said in law? I am only asking that question as a lawyer. You are saying that for areas which have not been titled people should be...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I am searching for Hon. Mark Mwenje. 25th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 42

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Do not worry about time. I know Hon. Mawathe will be speaking next, followed by Hon. Nabulindo. Then, whether Parliament likes it or not, we will adjourn for reasons that you know. Look at Clause 16 of the Bill.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I should never do, but it says that county executive committees will establish payment system for rates. I want your view on this because you are saying that counties are collecting a lot of money and expecting a lot of money from the national...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Over 18 billion or so is alleged to have been lost. Should respective county executive committees or the Kenya Revenue Authority develop this system? That is if we are expanding the tax base and we want this money accountably remitted to the national kitty.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)(Technical hitch)One minute. 25th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 44 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Who is sabotaging Hon. Mwenje? Let him have the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Mwenje. Hon. Julius Mawathe, you are recognised. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you Hon. Mawathe. Hon. Oscar Nabulindo. 25th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 45

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I was asking that because one thing I love in this Bill is its definition of rate-able owner. It says that for you to be a rate-able owner, you must be a registered owner of the property. I remember when the Cabinet Secretary for...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Debate on the Bill will continue. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Members! Order! I request we discuss in slightly lower tones. The Committee is recommending a rejection and 4th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 14 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)the points being made by the Chairman are critical for us to make...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Give Hon. Fabian Muli the microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Lillian Liyoi. 4th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. John Gitonga, Member for Manyatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Donya Dorice. 4th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 16

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) What is out of order, Hon. Chepkonga?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Leader of the Majority Party, what information would you want to give Hon. Donya Dorice?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Donya Dorice, you have been informed. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Samuel Chepkong’a stood at his place and requested that the Mover be called to reply. I will only move under Standing Order 1 to allow only one person to contribute, and then I will put the Question. Hon. Samuel Atandi. 4th July 2023...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Yes, Hon. Chepkong’a. 4th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 18

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) We get you, Hon. Chepkong’a. Just sit down. Hon. Samuel Atandi, when did you leave Parliament to work in the offices of the appointing authority to know who they intend to appoint?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Atandi, you must be careful with the statements you make in Parliament. Which law provides that when number one is dropped, the process is not started afresh and number two on the list takes over?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Is there a law that you can quote?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Atandi, you have made your point. Make it easy for the House by withdrawing that part that is not supported by law and procedure.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Nyikal, you have raised a constitutional issue but you are not telling us whether those provisions in the Constitution conferring rights to elderly persons are subject to restrictions or limitations under Article 24 of the Constitution. I assure you they are subject to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next Order. Give the microphone to the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much the Budget and Appropriations Committee Chairperson. Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona, Member of Parliament for Suba North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Millie Odhiambo Mabona, for that good direction in terms of how audits should be done. Hon. Rashid Bedzimba, Member for Kisauni. 6th June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 55

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Did I see Hon. Ruth Odinga, the Women Representative for Kisumu request for an opportunity to speak to this Motion? Is Hon. Ruth Odinga in the House? (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ahsante sana. Mbunge wa Mosop, Mhe. Abraham Kirwa.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) In the meantime, proceed, Hon. Kirwa. (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona consulted 6th June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 56 The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)with the Temporary Speaker)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Member for Kisumu County, Hon. Ruth Odinga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. Ruth Odinga. Do we have the Member for Marakwet West, Hon. Timothy Toroitich?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Toroitich, it is very refreshing to listen to you. Can you rush because you are running out of time? I am keen to adding you more time, if you still have contributions to make. That point you made on sovereignty of the House...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Toroitich. Hon. Jared Okello.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Hon. Jared Okello. Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara, Member for Kabondo Kasipul.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much, Hon. (Dr.) Eve Obara. When the Speaker recognised you, some people thought you would speak about the NGAAF. They do not understand that in Homa Bay, women leaders of your calibre are elected to lead constituencies. Thank you for your...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you Hon. Andrew Okuome. Is Hon. Gertrude Mbeyu in the House? She has a request. She must have stepped out. There being no further interest or request to speak to the Motion, I now call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Andrew Okuome, in line with Standing Order 53 (3) of the House, I will defer the putting of the Question on the Motion to the next time it is scheduled in the Order Paper by the House Business Committee. (Putting of the Question...

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ring the Quorum Bell for the time provided for in the Standing Order. (The Quorum Bell was rung) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Members. The time being

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Cabinet Secretary, we will now take supplementary questions. We have the Member of Parliament for Bura.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jessica Mbalu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jessica Mbalu, that was a very long statement. I request Members asking supplementary questions, especially Members whose questions have been responded to, to be brief. Members, remember that in our Standing Orders, the time within which the Cabinet Secretary should be in the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, I request you and your team to take note so that we take as many questions as possible. Let us have Hon. Abraham Kirwa. (A Member spoke off-record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Abdul Haro.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order, Hon. Members. There is a lot of commotion here. I do not know whether the interest is in the energy sector or in the Cabinet Secretary. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Give the microphone to Hon. Ali Abdisirat Khalif to ask his question. Is it that the electronic system of Parliament is not working or what is happening? Parliament has a way of dealing with all the issues. Do not worry.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Hon. Owen Baya. Hon. Members, is this the last question?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you Hon. Owen Baya. Hon. Naisula Lesuuda.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Next is Hon. Farah Maalim.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Kamukunji. The last time I checked I was told the right side of the Speaker is the Government side. You will get a chance. I know the Cabinet Secretary will be gracious enough to take your questions and have them addressed. You...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Members, the next Order is No.8 on the approval of nominee for appointment as a Member of the SRC. I also note that most Members are asking questions not related to the questions previously remitted to the Cabinet Secretary. Cabinet Secretary, are you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Letipila, Member for Samburu North. We are definitely done with the left side. We are moving towards the Cabinet Secretary now. (Several Members spoke off-record) Hon. Letipila, Member for Samburu North!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kitany.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Dido Raso.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chesumei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Victor Koech.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. (Dr.) Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Elgeyo Marakwet. 3rd May 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Kamuren.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Member for Kesses.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Jayne Kihara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Hillary Kosgei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Cabinet Secretary, are you able to take three more supplementary questions, or we leave it at two? I do not know the interest of Members of Parliament in the energy sector. I will have difficulties if I denied them an opportunity, particularly the ones...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Dekow Barrow, the Member of Parliament who replaced the former Leader of the Majority Party. Is it not so?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Lastly is Hon. Edith Nyenze, Member of Parliament for Kitui.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Let us have Hon. Ruku. Could we agree that this be the last, Hon. Members? Remember we are dealing with a Motion on appointment of a commissioner that is timed by law, over which we have to make a decision. Remember also that when...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Ask your question.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Let us have Hon. Zamzam Chimba. The Cabinet Secretary is only going to take only five minutes to respond to all questions.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Eric Muchangi, the last question.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you very much. Cabinet Secretary you have your platform to respond to the Members, and it will be five minutes because of the other businesses the House has to transact. Hon. Members, any question which would not have been specifically responded to by...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) I hope you are on a point of order. What is out of order? Is that Hon. Yakub?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Move to the next microphone.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) You are out of order, Hon. Yakub Adow. I want you to look at your Standing Orders. There is no specific order in which a Cabinet Secretary should respond to questions raised on behalf of the people. I hope that is the reason we...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) What is out of order, Hon. Farah?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Farah, is it your view that the Cabinet Secretary is rushing?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) The Cabinet Secretary had indicated that he would use five minutes. Colloquially, it means the shortest time possible to answer in the most satisfactory manner to the Members. I want to remind you, Members, that this is not the only business we have to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. David Gikaria, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Just a minute, Hon. Gikaria. Cabinet Secretary, are you aware of this matter? The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Mr. Davis Chirchir) : The Question by Hon. Lemanken Aramat, the Member for Narok East on the 30 employees? I am aware of that...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Cabinet Secretary, do you have that response, or could we direct Hon. Gikaria to pursue it with your office separately? The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Mr. Davis Chirchir) : To a very good extent, I think there was a challenge with some...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Farah Maalim, what is the point of order? I want to request that we allow the Cabinet Secretary to conclude.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Hon. Gikaria confirmed that he received a notification from the Clerk that his Question will be on the Order Paper. I think that is the context in which the Cabinet Secretary confirms he came ready with the response. (Hon. David Gikaria spoke off the...

The Temporary Speaker (Peter Kaluma) Cabinet Secretary, I can confirm you have responded to the question by Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, and he is satisfied. Please proceed to the other questions. 3rd May 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 58

The Temporary Speaker (Peter Kaluma) Thank you. Cabinet Secretary, conclude. The Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum (Mr. Davis Chirchir) : Let me conclude, Hon. Members, by acknowledging the fact that it is a great opportunity to appear before this honourable House to listen to the concerns. Sometimes, we can...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Thank you, Cabinet Secretary and your team. On behalf of the Office of the Speaker and the National Assembly, let me thank you specially for not only availing yourself to respond to questions raised by Members, but also for doing your best to satisfactorily...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Peter Kaluma) Order! Committee Chair, move the Motion. Start by “I beg to Move” and reading the entire terms of the Motion before you make your contribution.