MURUGARA GEORGE GITONGA

Hon. Deputy Speaker, where are they? If they were here, I would table them. Give him the microphone. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table:

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move the following Procedural Motion: THAT this House resolves to exempt the business appearing as Orders No. 9,11,13, and 14 in today's Order Paper from the provisions of Standing Order 30th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 2 40(3), being a Wednesday morning, a day...

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. There is a little bit of concern with the Statement made by the Prime Cabinet Secretary. At the end of the day, he seems to be telling the House that the Government will be making a saving after harmonisation in the report of the...

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. This is a very urgent statement that needs to be provided before 30th April. The only other and reasonable available time is Tuesday, 29th April 2025. That is the next Sitting after tomorrow. We need a little time to transmit it to the...

We will try but the process of relaying the statement to the relevant Government department takes a bit of time. I am 100 per cent sure that it will reach them in the evening. We will do our very best to ensure that this is sorted out. If it is...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Mine is a response. Let them request for Statements. Yours is a response? It is a response. So, start with the turbaned man next to you. Yes, my neighbour. REQUEST FOR STATEMENT CHALLENGES IN ACCESS TO MEDICAL SERVICES BY TEACHERS AND POLICE OFFICERS 23rd April 2025...

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. This morning, Hon. David Kiplagat, the Member of Parliament for Soy, requested for a Statement regarding the venue for the recruitment of Kenya Prisons Constables in Soy Constituency in Uasin Gishu. Is he in the House? He is not. Go on. I actually sent...

Thank you. I rise to support this Value- Added Tax (Amendment) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 11 of 2025) . As explained by the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party and the Leader of the Minority Party, it is a small Bill, but it has great impact on what it...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I support the Report of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations regarding this Sessional Paper, which has been brought to the House. Sometimes, the country is taken aback when we discuss sessional papers because they are not well-versed or well- informed about...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move that the Treaty-making and Ratification (Amendment) (No. 2) Bill, (National Assembly Bill No. 9 of 2024) , be now read a Second Time. The principal object of this Bill is to amend the Treaty-making and Ratification Act, Chapter 4 (d) of the Laws...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me to thank everyone who has contributed to this Bill, which is a very important Bill. Openly and candidly, Members have stated how important it is for this House to be involved in treaty-making, instead of just doing ratification alone. We should...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I support this Bill, which seeks to establish the Kenya National Council for Population and 23rd April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 67 Development in the country. We have considered the Bill for quite some time and we are now in the final stages of passing...

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I am not a Catholic but the Holy Roman Catholic Church is quite close to my heart because of the good it continues to do not only in Kenya but also everywhere in the world. This is a very solemn occasion when we have...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to second. Before you put the Question, I have noticed that Hon. Ruku is here; yet, the Motion to approve his appointment as a Cabinet Secretary is on the Order Paper. Is it in order for Hon. Ruku, the great man...

Thank you very much for allowing me to support this timely Petition by Hon. Patrick Munene Ntwiga of Chuka/ Igambang’ombe. As it has clearly explained, the colonialists did many injustices when they came to Kenya—one of them being lamping many communities together and naming them as one tribe—as a result...

Absolutely not. I have just told him that I have commented on the Petition. We have not reached the Statements, yet he wants to talk about them. I have, however, told him sorry, but he goes ahead and says I have misled him. I have not. (Laughter)

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Order No. 19, the Treaty Making and Ratification (Amendment Bill) (No. 2) Bill (National Assembly Bill No. 9 of 2024) , is stated under the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. It should be under the Departmental Committee on Defence,...

Is that Clause 2? The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : It is Section 2. Which one is Section 2? I have Clause 2. Let us get it right. Is it Clause 1? The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. Martha Wangari) : No. It is Section 2. (Hon. Shakeel Shabbir spoke off...

THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be amended—

THAT, the Schedule to the Bill be amended – 15th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 58 Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the new amendment be read a Second Time. The justification is that we have to align the term limit of the Director-General of the Financial Reporting...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairperson. As said by the Leader of the Majority Party, legislation has to leave room for what is known as judicial discretion. We cannot tie a judge to less minimums. We usually give discretion of up to a maximum amount so that, from case...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move that the New Clause 3 of the Bill be read a Second Time. What we propose to do is to make a provision on the limitation to the state so that a person who, immediately before the commencement of this Act,...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move: THAT, Clause 1 of the Bill be amended by inserting the words “and shall commence upon publication in the Gazette” immediately after the expression “2025”. We are changing and inserting a commencement date. That date will be the date of publication in the...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. There is always uncertainty when it comes to dates on when Acts of Parliament will commence. Where we have sometimes put dates, those dates have been overtaken by when the Acts are assented to. But we know for sure that once it is...

Thank you, very much, Mr Speaker. How much time do you require? Two weeks should be sufficient for us to answer this sufficiently and in a manner that is satisfactory to the Hon. Lady Member. Thank you very much.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Indeed, that request is timely, the reason being that what the Senate does and continues to do is actually in total breach of the Constitution. Just the other day, they summoned the Judiciary to go and answer questions. I do not know on what....

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I also rise to support this important Bill, especially now that the country is talking about taxation. The Excise Duty is one form of taxation in the country where the Government has to raise revenue through taxing imported goods. Such a reduction finds favour with...

It is okay, he may inform me.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, that is a little bit hilarious. He makes me laugh now because I am very familiar with the topography of Kitui County, which is similar to that of my county of Tharaka Nithi, especially Tharaka 9th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 20 Constituency. I know where copper...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The decisions of the House are taken by the House. We are properly constituted. Therefore, we can decide on the issue and agree on it.

Hold on. All right. Hon. Kaluma is saying we cannot agree on it. (Hon. Peter Kaluma spoke off the record) Where do you get that from? What is the authority for that? Which Standing Order? We have done it before. It is a tradition of this House. Nothing stops us...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to second the Second Reading of the Bill, which has ably been moved by the Majority Whip of the Kenya Kwanza Coalition of Parties. Order, Hon. Murugara. This is a broad-based government; there is no minority or majority. (Laughter) I thought...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I agree that we are in a state of confusion. That notwithstanding, the Majority Whip has effectively moved the Second Reading of this Bill. This Bill is very important to our economy and the financial transactions of the country because we are part of the...

On a point of order. What is your point of order, Hon. Murugara? Give him the microphone. Hon. Temporary Speaker, is Hon. Peter Kaluma in order to mislead this House that anybody out there... To deceive? To mislead. Mislead? Yes. Is he in order to mislead this House that anybody...

It is not.

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker.

I plead for him to be frozen.

Hon. Temporary Speaker, in the Republic of Kenya, under the Statutory Instruments Act, no regulation whatsoever made by any regulation-making authority or anyone else has the force of law that is enforceable unless it comes to this House and approved. I do not understand what Hon. Kaluma is propagating by...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. 9th April 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 51 It is very important to acknowledge that, as the Cabinet Secretary answers those questions, members of the public are also following closely with a lot of interest. That makes the work of this House transparent, and...

Yes.

I will start with the use of the word “periodically”. Whether we say constantly or we say from time to time, all of it is periodic. It may be daily, monthly or whatever. I do not think there is any harm with the semantics of periodical. It purely places an...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on the approval hearing of Hon. Judith Nayiai Ramaita Pareno for appointment as the Principal Secretary for the State Department for...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs in its Report on the vetting of a nominee for appointment as Principal Secretary, laid on the table of the House on Tuesday, 8th April...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Members of the House, for that very high-quality debate we have just had. It has come out clearly that the nominated person in the name of Hon. Judith Pareno is suitable and qualified to take the position. Every one of you has...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Although this is listed under my Departmental Committee, actually it belongs to the Committee on Defence and Foreign Relations. The reason I say so is because I was invited to make a memorandum and I submitted it to that Committee. So, kindly step it down....

Hon Speaker, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table: Reports of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs on its consideration of:

Hon. Speaker, I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, taking into consideration the findings of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs in its Report on the vetting of a nominee for appointment as Principal Secretary laid on the Table of the House today, Tuesday, 8th...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to second this Motion. I advise the House that when the vote is called, we will be rejecting the Motion that the proposed amendments by the Senate should not be considered such that those amendments will actually be lost and the Motion will also be...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance to welcome the team from Maara Constituency. This is on behalf of my good friend, Hon. Kareke Mbiuki, who is not here. I sincerely welcome them to observe the proceedings and see what happens in the august House,...

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. Allow me to second the Motion, so that the 63 constituencies may have functional NG-CDF committees to proceed with their functions and discharge their mandates. With those remarks, I beg to second.

Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. The issue of hardship allowance and declaration of hardship areas may today be termed historical injustice. It dates back to just days after Independence when the then Minister for Economic Planning and Development, the late Joseph Thomas Mboya, came up with Sessional Paper No.1...

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. This is a very important Motion calling upon the House to adopt the Report on a Petition which was presented to the House and committed to the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure. The Committee has prepared a detailed report on how the...

Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. 13th March 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 101 As we appropriate this sum of money, the very young universities that were recently chartered have great problems with infrastructure, including Tharaka University. I hope great consideration is being given to university infrastructure in the Supplementary...