MAALIM, FARAH

Order, Hon. Members. There are two Bills that are going on concurrently. We have not taken up the Co- operatives Bill, (National Assembly Bill No.7 of 2024) yet. This is the Coffee Bill, (Senate Bill No.10 of 2023). This is the Coffee Board. It is not about co-operatives.

Order, Hon. Oundo. That is not how you engage in debate in the House. Hon. Wamuchomba, did you raise your hand? Okay. I wanted to give one more person a shot at this before I give it to the Chairman. Yes, Hon. Melly, you may proceed.

Hon. Oundo, proceed before I give Hon. Mutunga a chance.

Okay. Hon. Chairperson, proceed.

The one thing that the Chairman will not shy away from admitting is that every time Hon. Saney stands on matters of environment, he takes us through a very powerful learning process. No wonder you got a First-Class Honours in your Environment Law at the university. Thank you very much....

Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Hon. Mulanya.

Order, Hon. Mulanya. You will have a balance of nine minutes to contribute when this debate resumes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Leader of Majority Party.

One second. Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah (Kikuyu, UDA): Allow me to second, and plead with Members to support this Bill and have it become law. The realisation of this Bill into law will, in a very big way, sort out the myriads of problems that bedevil our transport sector, and more...

Before I give Hon. Kitany a chance, I would want to give an opportunity to the Deputy Speaker to contribute on that. Hon. Marianne Kitany, pause a little bit. You are undoubtedly next being the Chairperson of the Committee.

Please give a little bit more time to, Hon. Deputy Speaker. What happened? Give her an additional three minutes.

Hon. Mary Kitany.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Order, Hon. Oundo. What is your point of order, Hon. Kipchumba?

I think he meant there is no categorical, legal or constitutional obligation for Members of Parliament to accommodate every aspect of public participation. Public participation is to enrich and inform Members. I presume that he meant so. In any case, we do not have a law on public participation. It...

The lady Member for Suba North.

Is the Member at the back there, Hon. Mwalyo? Proceed.

Next is the Member for Marakwet West.

Fair enough. You are right, we do not have a Quorum. I direct the Quorum Bell to be rung for ten minutes.(The Quorum Bell was rung)(Hon. Elijah Kururia spoke off record)(The Quorum Bell was rung)You cannot rise on a point of order when the Quorum Bell is on. Wait. Serjeant-at-Arms,...

Professor Jaldesa.

Fair enough. (Question proposed) Member for Westlands, Hon. Tim Wanyonyi.

Hon. Eve Obara.

Member for Nairobi City County.

Indeed, as you put it, there seems to be no quorum. Therefore, I can only direct that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) If there are Whips in the House, please, go out and whip Members to come back to the House. ADJOURNMENT...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. What is your point of order, Hon. Farah? Hon. Deputy Speaker, Hon. Wamboka is my very good friend. My point of order is this: For the benefit of the House, one cannot discuss anything to do with ordnances, weapons, the number of...

Can I explain? (Loud consultations)

I am not in any way negating what somebody feels should be done, but I am talking about the traditions of the House. If you want to discuss a matter of national security, you should seek an appointment, and then the House will sit in camera. Only then can you...

The Questioner has the first go of it. Proceed, Hon. Lotee.

You have asked your question. Can you allow the Chairman of the Committee to answer the question, please? The Chairman will take one more question. We will, of course, move to the next question. Is it Hon. Pkosing or Posing? Or do you add both of them together?

Order, Hon. Pkosing. The word ‘lie’ is unparliamentary. You could say ‘misleading’. Use the right word. If you want to say that the information is not factual, then just say it is misleading. Ask the question; do not make a speech. Proceed.

It is question and answer time. Please ask a question. You are not supposed to give a statement or a speech. The Chairman has given you sufficient leeway to build your question. Now that you have built it, can you ask your question?

The Member for Turkana South, ask the last question.

Fair Enough. Point taken.

Fair enough. My presumption is that your Question is: When will you go to the ground together? Chairperson, can you answer those questions?

Hon. Chairperson, there seems to be concurrence between the MPs from Kacheliba and Turkana South that there is need for you to go to the ground now. Am I right, MP for Kacheliba?

Fair enough. You have made your point very clear. (Hon. John Namoit spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Members! You have made your point, MP for Turkana South. You want the Committee to go to the ground and get the facts as they are today.

That is clear enough. Both MPs are in concurrence that they were not party to the meeting when it took place. Am I right? They do not remember. Give an undertaking on when the Committee will go to the ground with the MPs of Kacheliba, Turkana South, and any other...

I want to move to the next Question. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro, Hon. Antoney Kibagendi and Hon. Nolfason Barongo consulted in the gangways)

I cannot see Hon. Osoro. Where is he? It does not matter whether he is consulting MPs from the Abagusii. Hon. Osoro, are you consulting in low tones? Have you turned this into a Kisii meeting? Okay, fair enough. Hon. Osoro is going to make sure that he does it...

You will get an opportunity to prosecute that. Allow this Question to be concluded first. Hon. Pkosing, are you on a point of order? How many times are you going to rise on a point of order before we go to the next Question on this matter? I thought you...

Security is not a static matter. What obtained six months ago probably cannot obtain now. Things could have changed and that is why the Hon. Members are insisting that we should go there again now. I come from a pastoralist area where dynamics can change in a matter of hours,...

Well done. Fair enough. Next Question. What is your point order, Hon. DK? Proceed.

No. We still have one more. We have one on the spillage of highly poisonous substances in Kabembe Area in Rironi Town. Is the Questioner, Hon. Kiragu, in the House? Yes, Hon. Kiragu is in the House. I think you can raise issues of questions that were not properly attended...

Proceed and ask your Question, the MP for Limuru, Hon. Kiragu.

Yes. The Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining. Proceed! SPILLAGE OF HIGHLY POISONOUS SUBSTANCE IN KABEMBE AREA, RIRONI TOWN

The Member of Parliament for Limuru, ask the first follow-up question.

Member for Limuru, this is a Statement. You need further clarification. Allow the Chairperson of the Committee to answer you or build up on whatever he has already said. What do you want to say? You have half-a- minute.

Fair enough. You have raised a very passionate and informed concern on this matter. Chairperson of the Committee, I think you get the gist of what the Member for Limuru has said. Firstly, seven of those drums have not been accounted for. Secondly, the effects of that toxic material can...

Hon. Chairman, five drums are too many for that kind of toxic material. Those of you who remember rudimentary chemistry, sodium cyanide is a very dangerous compound. Those five drums can cause damage that can essentially last for a long period of time. That can be very devastating. So, give...

Are you giving an undertaking that this is not over and you will use your office and the Committee to seek and give further closure to Kenyans who are wondering what will happen to the population? That is what I take it to be. Is that in the affirmative?

Thank you. Hon. Members, I know there are a number of you who asked for statements, which have taken an inordinately long time. Hon. DK, can you do it in half-a-minute?

Point taken. Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure in the House? Is there any Hon. Member of the Committee in the House? (Hon. (Eng.) John Kiragu spoke off the record) Can you give an undertaking to Hon. D.K. that you will have that Statement in...

Fair enough. Next is the Member for Tiaty. You have half-a-minute. Please, give him the microphone.

Order, Hon. Kamket! Where is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs? I thought he was in the House. Is there any Member of this Committee in the House now? It is not the business of the Temporary Speaker to look for Members of Parliament who...

Fair enough. Next Order.

Sorry! Just a moment. What is your point of order? (Hon. Silvanus Osoro stood on the isle and consulted loudly) Order, Hon. Osoro.

Do we have a Member of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information and Innovation here? Is Hon. Kiarie here? Order, Hon. Members. Is the Leader of the Majority Party here? Where is he? You better whip your Chairperson of the Committee to bring the Statement that was requested four months...

Fair enough. Next Order. THE ETHICS AND ANTI-CORRUPTION COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL Order, Hon. Members. Order Hon. Osoro. Debate on this Bill was concluded and all we have is to put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and Committed to the Committee of...

Order, Hon. Member. Vice- Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, please, read the Motion verbatim. Read it as it is and proceed and prosecute it.

Order. You are out of order! Proceed Vice-Chairlady. Read it verbatim and then ask somebody to second you.

Order, Hon. Member. Say: “I beg to move the following Motion” which is the consideration of the Senate amendments to the Division of Revenue Bill. Just read it as it is and then you move it. Give her the proper Order Paper. Move the Motion as it is, and then...

Proceed, Hon. Dr. Makali Mulu.

Yes, Hon. Makilap proceed.

Member for Igembe Central.

Hon. Julius M’anaiba.

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Bisau, followed by the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning, and then Hon. Waluke.

Hon. Member of Parliament for Molo, Hon. Kimani. Proceed.

Hon. Waluke, followed by Hon. Ruku and then Hon. Zamzam. Proceed.

Hon. Ruku followed by Hon. Zamzam.

Is Hon. Ndindi Nyoro in the House? Proceed, Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Member for Kisauni, Hon. Bedzimba, proceed.

Is Hon. Eve Obara in the House? Please, proceed.

Is the Member for Turkana East in the House? Hon. Ng’ikor.

Member for Runyenjes.

Next is the Member for Endebess, who will be followed by the Member for Rangwe. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose spoke off the record) Why is your name on my screen if you have spoken? Let us have Hon. (Dr) Gogo Lilian.

Hon. Esther Passaris.

Hon. Naomi Waqo, do you still want to contribute on this Motion? (Hon. Naomi Waqo gestured in the negative) Hon. Members, there being no more interest on this Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply?

Hon. Members, the Question on this matter will be put at an appropriate time. I direct it to be put on the Order Paper sometime in the future. (Putting of the Question deferred) Hon. Members, I have to re-arrange the business on the Order Paper again. Initially, I intended to...

Hon. Lilian Gogo.

Hon. Esther Passaris.

We do not have any other interest in this. I will have to call upon the… Yes, Hon. Member of Parliament for Molo Constituency.

Hon. Sabina Chege, proceed.

Member for Kisauni Constituency.

Ikiwa unataka kuzungumza zaidi, naweza kukupatia dakika moja.

Sawa. Huu ni wakati wa the Mover to reply. (Hon. (Dr) Robert Pukose spoke off the record) Mheshimiwa Pukose, kama Kiswahili kinakusumbua, usijilazimishe kukizungumza.

Fair enough. The Question on this matter will be put at a later date. I direct that it be deferred to another date. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. CONSIDERATION OF SENATE AMENDMENTS TO THE STATUTORY INSTRUMENTS (AMENDMENT) BILL

Hon. Pukose.

Order! Hon. Gogo. Okay, and who is that? Honourable who? Gogo.

Next is the Member for Kesses. Give him the microphone.

Mover, please reply.

Hon. Members, I cannot put the Question on this matter. (Putting of the Question deferred) I direct that this Question be put at a convenient later date. For now, we have come to the end of our day. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

Let us have Hon. Zamzam, followed by the Member of Parliament for Wajir North, Hon. Saney. Hon. Zamzam Chimba. Mhe. Zamzam Mohammed (Mombasa County, ODM) : Ahsante sana, Mhe. Spika wa Muda. Ningependa kuchangia Mswada ulioletwa Bungeni leo. Tukiwa watoto, tulikuwa na library sehemu moja ambayo tulikuwa tukiita Kenya National...

Mbunge wa Suba Kaskazini, Mhe. Millie Odhiambo, kisha atafuatwa na Mbunge wa Dagoretti Kusini. Endelea, Mhe. Millie Odhiambo.

Mhe. wa Dagoretti Kusini anataka kukupasha habari. Umekubali?

Tueleze, Mhe.

For your information, she has been here since the 10th Parliament. She first came into this Parliament as a nominated Member in the 10th Parliament, and then she has been elected since that time. She is still here.

Atatueleza kwa nini hakufanya bidii ya kuelewa Kiswahili.

Mhe. (Dkt) Gogo anataka kukupasha ujumbe. Uko tayari kuupokea?

Mheshimiwa wa Dagoretti Kusini, akifuatwa na Mheshimiwa wa Kilgoris.

Fair enough. It is not a point of order. Nonetheless, it is taken with dignity.

Hon. Rachael Nyamai.

Give him the microphone. Proceed.

Yes, Hon. Nyamai. I do not know the minutes that you are left with.

Hon. Mishi Mboko, then followed by Hon. Murugara. Hon. Members, most of you will have a bite on this and so, do not worry.

Mheshimiwa, you are not on record now. You have exhausted your 10 minutes. It is Hon. Murugara, followed by Hon. Eve Obara, and then followed by Hon. Ombaka.

The Chair is going to allow your compliments, but that is not a point of order. I am sure you are well taken by Hon. Daniel. Parliament is happy that one of their own has an image outside. Proceed, Murugara.

Hon. Eve Obara followed by Hon. Ombaka and Hon. (Dr) Oundo.

Hon. Ombaka, Member for Siaya.

We will have the Member of Parliament for Funyula, followed by the Member of Parliament for Lamu East.

Next, I give an opportunity to Hon. Ruweida. She will be followed by Hon. Chepkong’a and Hon. Omanyo. We will proceed in that order.

Mhe. Samuel Chepkong’a, nafasi hii ni yako ya kuchangia.

Hon. Omanyo followed by the Member of Parliament for Marakwet West and then Hon. John Gitonga.

Member for Marakwet West.

The Member of Parliament for Manyatta.

Fair enough. I agree with you that we do not have quorum. (Hon. Gitonga Mukunji spoke off record) Order, Member for Manyatta. We do not have quorum. Can you ring the Quorum Bell, please? (The Quorum Bell was rung) Stop the Bell. We have reached the 10 minutes. ADJOURNMENT There...

I will give the first bite to Hon. John Kiarie and then go back to Hon. Timothy Wanyonyi. Proceed.

Fair enough. Hon. Tim Wanyonyi, ask your follow-up question and then the Cabinet Secretary will answer them together. Proceed, Hon. Wanyonyi Tim. Give him the microphone, please.

Very well. Let us proceed to the Question by the Member for Nakuru, Hon. Liza Chelule. Question 107/2024 PRESERVATION OF WETLANDS AND CATCHMENT AREAS WITHIN THE COUNTRY

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Member for Wajir County.

Cabinet Secretary, you can take a few more questions and answer all of them at one go. Hon. Oluoch, are you still on or you have changed your mind? If Hon. Oluoch is not interested, we will have the Member for Seme.

Member for Mbooni, you have the microphone.

I will ask the questioner, Hon. Chelule to ask the last supplementary question. There are two other Questions. Those of you who feel that they can ask further questions will get opportunity to do so. Proceed, Hon. Liza.

Cabinet Secretary, you can answer those raft of questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Aden Duale) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Let me start with my very good friend Member for Funyula. I miss you also. He was my colleague in the Departmental Committee...

Ask the Question as it appears on the Order Paper. Question 129/2024 CONTINUED POLLUTION OF NAIROBI RIVER AND NOISE POLLUTION IN RESIDENTIAL AREAS

I am sure the House is seriously excited that we have a new sheriff, on environmental matters in town. I wish I was not in the Chair and I was on the other side when you were talking about the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) and what needs...

Let us have Hon. Oluoch. Make the question brief, please.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, followed by Hon. Omanyo. The Cabinet Secretary will take a few questions after that.

Hon. Omanyo, you can go ahead and ask your question.

Fair enough. Let us have Hon. Murugara, followed by Hon. Cherorot and finally Hon. Kajwang’. The rest of you will take a serious bite on the next Question. There is another Question which is similar to this and you can ask anything on environment because the Cabinet Secretary is here....

Hon. Cherorot. Be very brief.

Let us have Hon. TJ so that we can dispose of that Question. We will go to the next Question and you will take a bite of that. Hon. Kamket, you will have an opportunity on the next one. The Cabinet Secretary has already taken too many questions. Order, Hon....

Cabinet Secretary, one serious takeaway, just to add on, is that if I got him right, he is talking about the regulatory aspect. Is it going to be a new piece of legislation that is going to give you more teeth than you have had before for you to be...

No! Ask your Question first. In the follow-up question, then you can ask that. The rules and tradition are clear. Question 130/2024 STRUCTURE OF CLIMATE FINANCING IN KENYA

Very good. Cabinet Secretary. The next group is the National Climate Change Council (NCCC). This is chaired by the President and 1, as the Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Forestry, as the Secretary. We also have the Cabinet Secretary for Energy and Petroleum, people from the academia, civil...

Member of Parliament for Kwanza. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi (Kwanza, FORD –K) : Yes. You have an opportunity to ask a supplementary question. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi (Kwanza, FORD–K) : What? Can I just finish? You have an opportunity to ask a question. I will give you some leeway, but do not...

Member for Wajir North.

Hon. Saney, you have had a very long leeway. Ask one Question now. It would help if you were in the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining to give all these ideas at appropriate places.

The Cabinet Secretary will be at liberty to say whether he was prepared for this Question or give another day to answer some of these Questions. They are very technical, and ample prior preparation is always important. Hon. Kamket, followed by Member for Emgwen. You were supposed to have been...

When you say that, other Members of Parliament from the same area will also demand a right to a reply. You see, you are making a total digression right now, and the House rules do not allow that. Ask a question based on what is in the Order Paper.

The Members for Emgwen, Butula, Budalangi, Wajir South, and then, of course, we will return to Hon. Mutunga.

Do you expect the Cabinet Secretary to prepare himself as you stand on your feet and ask a completely different question from what is on the Order Paper? The rules are very clear. You can ask a supplementary question on the matter that is on the Order Paper. But if...

You have rested your case. Let him do the thinking for that purpose. Next is the Member of Parliament for Butula. Be very brief.

Hon. Wanjala Raphael.

Hon. Raphael Wanjala, you have asked a very serious question that requires serious work on the part of the Cabinet Secretary and the Ministry. Why can you not proceed and file a question? Or, even better, make an appointment with the Cabinet Secretary at his office. He will call all...

Thank you. Finally, the Member for Wajir South.

Fair enough. Hon. Jematiah, Hon. Kamket mentioned you, but not on that matter. Just go straight to the questions that are there. Do not open a Pandora's Box and a debate between Baringo, Pokot, and Tiaty.

Member for Garsen. Take exactly one minute.

Order, Member for Garsen. Those are entirely different questions from what is on the Order Paper today. When this Order Paper is prepared well in advance and sent to the concerned Ministry, it prepares itself for questions supplementary to the matters raised in these questions. You are now raising an...

Order! If he has any information on that, he will give you now. You should go and file questions on what is on the Order Paper. Members of Parliament do not have to be lazy; they just wait and joyride on the questions of others, changing the whole substance of...

He will give you an undertaking. I am sure you can go and see him in his office. You can file another question, but I doubt he has answers for the issues you have just asked. Hon. Mutunga, take your final bite. Then, the Cabinet Secretary will answer everything that...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Environment, Climate Change and Forestry (Hon. Aden Duale) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, as an old leader of this House, I will answer all the questions, including the one by Mheshimiwa Kamket. Let me start with the question by my very good sister the Member...

We ordinarily would have put the Question. We defer it to another appropriate time, which will be communicated. (Putting of the question deferred) THE KENYA NATIONAL LIBRARY SERVICE BILL (Bill deferred)Where is the Chairperson? He is not in the House? That one is also deferred to another day. That Bill...

The request is marked to the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife. The Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Baya, a Statement has been sought from the Departmental Committee on Tourism and Wildlife by Hon. Kazungu Tungule, the Member for Ganze. Can you give an undertaking on exactly when...

Okay. Hon. Tungule, you have heard that. Next Order. THE TECHNOPOLIS BILL Next Order. SPECIAL MOTION APPROVAL OF MR DAVID KIBET KEMEI FOR APPOINTMENT AS THE DIRECTOR-GENERAL OF THE COMPETITION AUTHORITY The Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, Hon Baya.

Where is he?

Proceed, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Finance and National Planning.

Hon. Murugara.

Order, Hon. Members. Take your seats. (Question proposed) Hon. Baya.

Member for Suba South, Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Next is Hon. Marianne Kitany. Proceed.

Next is the Member for Kikuyu and Leader of the Majority Party, Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah.

Next is the Member for Wajir North, Hon. Saney. I can see your name here. Are you in the House?

Hon. Makilap.

Hon. Members, please consult in low tones. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah, Hon. Silvanus Osoro and Hon. Naomi Waqo consulted loudly)

Order, Hon. Members! Order! I can understand that there is a lot of excitement in the House today but, please, consult in low tones. Allow Hon. Makilap to be heard. Proceed, Hon. Makilap.

Member for Jomvu, Hon. Bady. Mheshimiwa Bady Bady.

Hon. Ng’elechei, Member for Elgeyo Marakwet, akifuatiwa na Mhe. Mama Zamzam.

Mhe. Zamzam.

Hon. Rashid Bedzimba.

Agizo kwa waheshimiwa walio karibu na Mhe. Bedzimba. Mhe. Chome na ndugu yangu kutoka Taita, msizungumze kwa sauti ya juu. Mpatie ndugu yetu nafasi achangie Hoja hii. Endelea, Mhe. Bedzimba.

Mhe. Bidu Mohamed.

The Hon. MP for Turkana Central, followed by Hon. Mohammed Ali, and then the MP for Karachuonyo.

Before we have Hon. Mohamed Ali, let me recognise the presence of students from Beth Mugo High School in Dagoreti South in the Public Gallery. You are welcome to Parliament. The Member of Parliament for Dagoreti South, I am giving you exactly one minute to also welcome your constituents. Hon....

Member for Karachuonyo.

Member for Moiben, you have 20 seconds, but you can start taking the bite and then you will conclude in the next minute.

Okay, you will have the balance of your time on the next allotted date for the same Motion. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Woman Representative for Nandi County.

Hon. Member for Saboti.

Hon. Kaguchia John.

The Member for Webuye West, Hon. Wanyama.

The Member of Parliament for Kigumo.

I do not see any other interest registered by a Member to this Bill. Under the circumstances, I call upon the Mover to reply. The Mover is the Leader of the Majority Party.(Motion deferred)We will defer the reply to another appropriate date. Clerk-at-the-Table, put it in the Order Paper when...

Move the Bill first. Hon. John Kiarie (Dagoretti South, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the Bill and ask Hon. Irene Nyakerario Mayaka - a member of the Departmental Committee on Communication, Information, and Innovation - to second. Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Proceed, Hon....

Hon. Mogaka, as you proceed, and this is for the attention of the Chairman, there is a little bit of observation. The object, ideally, is to have many technopolis. But when you look at the object at the back, it does not consider a plural aspect. At the same time,...

Hon. Zamzam.

Member for Marsabit County.

Hon. Gitonga Murugara, Member for Tharaka.

Hon. Eric Muchangi, Member for Runyenjes, followed by Hon. Julius Mawathe, Member for Embakasi South.

He is from Nairobi, not unless you want to insinuate his ethnic background. Proceed, Hon. Mawathe.

Member for Embakasi South, do you wish to be informed by Hon. KJ?

Proceed.

Order. Now, for the interest of the Temporary Speaker, the Bill here says ‘establishment of technopolises’, and so, it means cities.

Proceed, Hon. Mawathe. Can you, please, switch off that microphone?

Order, Hon. Members. We have come to the end. The time being 7.00 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 25th September 2024, at 9.30 a.m. The House rose at 7.00 p.m. Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings Nairobi