MAALIM, FARAH

Next is Hon. Mogaka. Is he in the House? If not, let us have Hon. Thuku Kwenya.

Next is Hon. Gladys Boss Shollei, who will be followed by Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Hon. Milemba. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this chance to comment on the Independent Electoral and Boundaries Commission (Amendment) Bill (National Assembly Bill No.10 of 2024).First, let me thank the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs for their good job of bringing this Bill to the...

Hon. Owen Baya and Hon. Members, consult in low tones. We should have the spirit that amendments need to be introduced to this particular draft Bill. India, which is the largest democracy in the world, is conducting elections in which 960 million people will vote. The electoral commission of India...

Next is Hon. (Dr) Oundo, who will be followed by Hon. Stephen Mogaka.

Hon. Mogaka.

Hon. Timothy Toroitich, Member of Parliament for Marakwet West. Is he in the House?

Hon. Rashid Bedzimba did you want to catch the Speaker’s eye? Give him the microphone, I can see his name here. Proceed.

Why is your name appearing again? The rules are very clear, you cannot contribute twice on the same Motion. I give this opportunity to Hon. Amina Mnyazi.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, did you contribute on this Motion?

Mwashako Dan.

Hon. Mwiti, Member for South Imenti.

Where is Hon. Gikaria?

Hon. Feisal Bader, Member for Msambweni Constituency.

Under the circumstances, I will put the Question that the Mover be called to reply. (Question, that the Mover be called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover, proceed and reply.

Hon. Members, I defer putting the Question to this particular Bill to a later date. (Putting of the Question deferred) Yes, Leader of the Majority Party. What is the issue? POINT OF ORDER REORDERING OF THE BUSINESS OF THE HOUSE

I thought I saw the Chairman and the Deputy Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Hon. Member, you are in the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations. Are you the Deputy Chair? I thought that you and the Chair wanted this matter disposed...

What is your point of order, Hon. Mwago?

Serjeants-at-Arms, is it true that we do not have a quorum? I will make a casual count. (Loud consultations) 2024). I have acceded to that request. Standing Order No.40(2) allows the Speaker to rearrange the order of the business of the House and I have so ordered.Leader of the Majority...

Not at the same time! If they happen separately, you do not need an election. Proceed. Hon. Opiyo Wandayi (Ugunja, ODM) : If there was also a vacancy in the Office of the Speaker of the National Assembly? You still do not need a general election and IEBC. happen? That...

Order, Hon. Member. (Hon. Opiyo Wandayi spoke off the record) You are out of time, Hon. Opiyo Wandayi.

I do not know. (The Temporary Speaker consulted the Clerk-at-the-Table) He has not seconded.

Hon. Opiyo Wandayi, you do not cease to amuse even the Chair. (Question proposed) (Several Members spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Members. I want to propose the Question again. (Question proposed) Is that very clear, Hon. Opiyo?

I call upon the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs, who is also the Member for Tharaka, to speak on the Bill. He will be followed by Hon. TJ Kajwang’.

What is your point of order, Hon. Opiyo? Hon. Temporary Speaker, I am sorry to interrupt the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. I have been told, through whispers behind me, that there is a Report from his Committee. I have not seen it. Can you...

Order! Order, Hon. Members. With the good behaviour, the Speaker could also add you a few more minutes. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7.00

Indeed, it is abundantly clear that we do not have quorum. How many Members do we have in here? Five or six?(Several Members spoke off the record)(The Quorum Bell was rung)Can you ring the Quorum Bell please. Ring it for 10 minutes. Hon. Members, there being no quorum, and the...

I call upon the Temporary Chairman to report to the House the Committee’s resolution on the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bill No.14 of 2024) .

Mover, what is your take on the Committee’s Report?

I now call upon the Mover.

Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. Baya Owen.

Hon. Major Dekow. (Hon. Owen Baya spoke off record) I have to propose the Question. Sorry. You were seconding. I have to propose the Question. (Question proposed) Hon. Dekow Major.

Hon. Elachi.

Hon. Speaker, land is a very emotive issue in this country. We fought for our Independence because of the dispossession of Kenyans from their rightful ancestral lands. It is a pity. In my language, we say that if you steal a camel and the camel gives birth to a calf,...

Continue, Hon. Member. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for asking me to continue. That means you agree that we ignore the point of order.As a country, we need to be careful of the promises we make, and when we make them, we should honour them. There are very many good...

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Hon. Oundo. Hon. Temporary Speaker, other than the first part concerning the Assumption of the Office of the President Act, I totally oppose this Bill.I oppose the National Government Administration Laws (Amendment) Bill 2023 on matters principles, Constitution and the spirit of the Constitution of Kenya. The essence of the...

What is your point of order, Hon. Ichung’wah?

Order, Hon. Omanyo. Hon.

Next is Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi, who will be followed by Hon. Mary. (Loud consultations) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I rise to support this Bill with amendments.The Bill touches on four key areas that are of importance in the administration of law in this country. It touches on the assumption...

Next is Hon. Samwel Chepkonga, who will be followed by the Member for Kwanza.

That is overruled. Proceed, Hon. Chepkonga.

Order! You are out of order because that issue has already been overruled by the Chair. What is the point of order all about? Take your seat. Hon. Chepkonga, proceed.

Order! For the benefit of the House, I will repeat what I had said before. If the Hon. Temporary Speaker is convinced that the rights of even the minority are being emasculated by calling on the Mover to reply, he has the authority to overrule that. Go and read the...

What is your point of order, Hon. Raphael Wanjala?

Proceed, Hon. Chepkonga.

Order, Members. Order, Hon.

Next is Hon. Basil, who will be followed by Hon. Irene Mayaka. Order, Hon. Members. It is a privilege to catch the Speaker’s eye. It is not a right. It is a privilege. Relax. Not everybody catches the Speaker’s eye. The Speaker has to do much balancing. The Speaker has...

Leader of the Majority Party, do not call Hon. Basil that name again. The little I know about that language is that that it is not a very good word. Proceed. (Laughter) He is joking around a lot. I need to teach him. Yes. That name means something different in...

Proceed, Hon. Irene.

Fair enough. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to)

Hon. Member, the substantive Speaker of the House had indicated that he will make a determination on the constitutionality of certain provisions of the Bill tomorrow. Consequently, the Question on the Bill cannot be put now. (Putting of the Question deferred) We will move to the next Order. I direct...

I grant you an additional two minutes. Hon. Ibrahim Saney (Wajir North, UDA) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for your generosity. Much of the population of people living with disability are in rural communities and yet, our institutions are based in urban centres. This Report falls short of telling...

Hon. Member for Kisauni.

Zingatia nidhamu Mhe. Bedzimba. Kadi yako ina tatizo. Nafikiri ukitoka hapa fanya mpango na wahusika ili irekebishwe. Maanake jina lako halionekani hapa.

Mhe. (Dr.) Christine Ombaka,

Hon. Beatrice, followed by the Hon. Yussuf Mohamed.

Member for Wajir West.

Member for West Pokot County followed by Hon. Lilian Gogo. Member for West Pokot County, Hon. Rael Kasiwai. She is not in the House. (Loud consultations)

Order, Hon. Kimilu. You are out of order. Hon. Gogo, proceed.

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Kangogo, followed by Hon. Muchangi. Proceed.

Proceed.

The donations were one minute for each Member. The Temporary Speaker would hesitate to get involved in this. Let us have Hon. Muchangi and then Hon. Mutunga. Proceed.

The one minute is over. You are followed by the Hon. Mutunga. The Temporary Speaker is going to use a certain discretion.

Order. The Constitution of this country is very express. We must have some element of gender balance. So, as soon as Hon. Mutunga is done, Hon. Millie Odhiambo will have one minute.

The Temporary Speaker is in total agreement. Member of Parliament for Dadaab, for now, I do not have that opportunity. If I had it, I would have also agreed with you. The Hon. Millie Odhiambo, proceed.

Hon. Ruku will be last person. Proceed.

This is the moment for the Mover to reply. Thank you very much, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me the chance to reply. I want to thank all the contributors starting with the first one, Hon. Makilap. He is a very intelligent Member of Parliament for Baringo North, just like...

We shall have Hon. Mishi Mboko then followed by Hon. Beatrice Elachi. Ahsante sana, Mhe. Naibu Spika wa Muda. Mswada huu ni wa maana sana. Tumeusubiri kwa miaka mingi. Ijapokuwa Mswada huu una mapengo kiasi, tusikose mwana na maji ya mtoto. Kwa hivyo, tuzungumze kuhusu Mswada huu, tuupige msasa na...

The Hon. Dido Rasso followed by the Hon. Waluke. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. Reading this Bill and having listened to the Chairman yesterday, we should not, as a House, legislate in vain. To say, on the one hand, that this Bill appears not constitutional...

Member for Kangema, Hon. Kihungi. (Hon. Ruku GK spoke off the record) You will follow the Member for Kangema.

Next is Hon. Mutunga, followed by Hon. Ruku.

Hon. Ruku.

That is fair enough. Hon. Cherorot, you are right. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. ADJOURNMENT Order, Hon. Members. There being no quorum, and the time being 6.54 p.m., the House stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 7th March 2024 at 2.30 p.m. The House rose at 6.54 p.m....

Hon. Basil followed by Hon. Lady Lillian. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I can see my brother, Hon. Wilberforce, smiling. He knows what I am about to say. I join my friend, Hon. Ruku, to fully support this Bill. There is a reason why we have working hours. If we...

Hon. Gitonga Murugara. Hon. Temporary Speaker, I contributed to this one. So, I cannot speak a second time. I am anxiously waiting for the next one which is equally bad. Did you book again? Wait until the next Business comes. From the look of things. I do not think there...

Hon. Kemei, did you contribute to this Bill? Under the circumstances, it looks like there is no other Member who wants to contribute to this Bill. Can the Mover be called upon to reply?

Hon. Members, I defer the putting of the Question on this Bill to another date. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE NATURAL RESOURCES (BENEFIT SHARING) BILL Proceed, Hon. Kemei.

(Bill deferred)Fair enough. Granted. Order No.9 is also deferred to a later date. We now move on to Order No.10.

That is the communication. We need it on record for purposes of neatness. Fair enough. Next Order! THE NATIONAL DISASTER RISK MANAGEMENT BILL Where is the Leader of the Majority Party to move this Bill? Do we have any communication from him? Yes, Hon. Murugara, the Chairperson of the Departmental...

Hon. Kihungi Peter, proceed. Hon. Peter Kihungi (Kangema, UDA) Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I stand to support the Amendment by the Committee. There has been an outcry in Parliament mostly from petitioners whose petitions have been lying at the Public Petitions Committee. This is a wise way where the...

You are on. Proceed. We can hear you. If you have a problem with this microphone, you can go to the next one.

Hon. Members, there being no more Members willing to contribute to this Bill, it is only fair we call the Mover to reply. Hon. Ochieng’ David, proceed and reply.