MAALIM, FARAH

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker, for giving me an opportunity to weigh in on this Motion. I want to thank the gracious good lady, Hon. Faith, for sponsoring this good and timely Motion. In our 70 years of colonialism, the colonialists who came to our continent and country removed our...

Where has Hon. Wamuchomba gone? She has left? Hon. Keynan, go ahead. Hon. Members, you will all have opportunity to contribute.

Before you proceed, can I just recognise the persons in the Public Gallery? I had hoped somebody from the Maasai area would give a word of encouragement to the students from Olkejuado, but that never happened. I want to welcome students from Kagondo Secondary School in Ndaragwa, Nyandarua County. I...

You are welcome. Hon. Keynan, proceed.

Next is Hon. Wamuchomba, who will be followed by my brother, Hon. Omboko and the Member for Kwanza. (Hon. Kibagendi consulted loudly) Order! Order, Hon. Kibagendi! My good old friend, do not invite the wrath of the Chair. Proceed. It is not a right to catch the eye of the...

Member for Kwanza, you will speak after Hon. Wamboka. Proceed, Hon. Wamboka.

Do you have the figures?

Hon. Members, before we have the next speaker, I want to take this moment to welcome students from Midland International School in Mavoko, Machakos County. I will ask Hon. Mohammed Adow to say a word of encouragement to the students. Proceed.

Hon. Members, if each of you takes a maximum of three or five minutes, many Members will have opportunity to speak. Let us have the Member for Kwanza. (Loud consultations)

That is fair enough. Next is the Woman Representative for Turkana County, who will be followed by Hon. Kibagendi and Hon. Adow. I will come to the rest of you thereafter.

Hon. Kibagendi.

Thank you. Hon. Adow is next, and then we shall have another round.

Thank you, Hon. Adow for using your time very prudently. I will now list another four. Hopefully, each one of you will take about three minutes. That way, you can all contribute. We will start with Hon. Omanya, who will be followed by Hon. Saney, Hon. Khalif, Hon. Caroli and...

Oh, yes. Then Hon. Japheth. Please take as few minutes as possible so that all your colleagues can also have a moment to weigh in. Thank you. (Hon. Catherine Omanyo’s microphone was off) Hon. Omanyo, go to the next one.

To whom had I given the next chance? Is it Hon. Saney or Hon. Khalif? Let us have Hon. Saney quickly. If you take as few minutes as possible, you will… (Hon. Ibrahim Saney spoke off the record) Go behind.

You have made your point. Hon. Khalif, please; keep emotions aside and use exactly two minutes so that your colleagues can also contribute.

We have limited time. Let us have Hon. Lelmengit, who will be followed by Hon. Nyakundi. Please, take as few minutes as possible.

Hon. Members, we have to rise. This debate will continue next Wednesday. Hon. Nyakundi, Hon. Bashir of Mandera North, the Member for Moyale, Hon. (Prof.) Jaldesa; Hon. Karemba, and the gracious Hon. Mary Emaase from Teso South will have the first bites of the cherry when this debate resumes. Thank...

What is wrong with this thing?

Is she in? There does not seem to be much more interest. Okay. Hon. Peter George Kaluma.

Hon. Jared Okello.

There does not seem to be much interest. Hon. Fatuma, you may proceed.

Hon. Fatuma Masito, County Member for Kwale.

Kwa vile sioni Mheshimiwa mwengine ambaye anataka kuchangia, nitamualika Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Idara ya Elimu ajibu.

Hon. Members, the re-ordering of the Business had been previously communicated. It looks like we only have a minute to go before the adjournment of the House. We will move to Order 16.

Oh, yes. Thank you. Hon. Members, the Question on The Learners with Disabilities Bill (Senate Bill No.4 of 2023) will be put at an appropriate time in future. Thank you, Hon. Kaluma. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order. THE NATIONAL COHESION AND INTEGRATION BILL Who is the Mover of...

Hon. Caroli Omondi, association or no association, political parties that Members of Parliament have allegiance to, is purely a private matter for the Members of Parliament.

You are still the staunchest supporter for that?

Both the Statute and the Constitution are very clear. You have post-election coalitions and pre-election coalitions. (Hon. Caroli Omondi spoke off the record) Signature or no signature, that is purely a private matter. As long as that association works for them, then so be it. Also, if you have another...

And what about the United Kingdom, which is probably more or less the same population as us if not slightly more? They are one of the oldest Democrats. How many political parties do you have in the United Kingdom (UK) ?

The Social Democrats.

What is your point of order, Hon. Caroli Omondi?

No. You will have your minutes. Do not worry.

Proceed, Hon. Kaluma.

Hon. Murugara and Hon. Toroitich both want to contribute. (Hon. George Murugara spoke off the record) You seconded in the first place, so it is Hon. Toroitich.

How will decisions be reached? Will it by a majority or a minority?

Hon. Toroitich, Independent Members are not organised. They find themselves Independent because they chose to be so. A political party is an organised unit. So, how do you organise Independent Members?

Proceed, Hon. Caroli.

Do you know of any caucus anywhere that allows Independent Members to demand and qualify for political party funding, by dint of their numbers in the House? A caucus of Independent Members is neither a political party nor a coalition. I was in the 10th Parliament when we established the...

Hon. Caroli, you are one of the top- notch lawyers in the country.

Hon. Member, what is your point of order?

Anyway, proceed. (Hon. Timothy Kipchumba spoke off the record) Hon. Toroitich, you now have the information. Take two minutes to conclude.

Hon. Kimilu Joshua.

It looks like there is no other Hon. Member who wants to contribute to this Bill. I ask the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs to reply.

Hon. Caroli, an Independent comes in as an independent. Even if there are 20 or 30 of them, there is no thread that combines them, because everybody comes from a different constituency. Exactly as Hon. Toroitich puts it, he became an independent, not because he wanted to, but because he...

Hon. Murugara, do you wish to be informed?

For the benefit of the House, Hon Caroli Omondi, even in Australia, they do not fund elections. They do not fund candidates. They reimburse candidates. After the election you must have a minimum of four per cent. The same way it is reflected in our Standing Order, even a political...

The Chair defers the putting of the Question to another convenient Sitting or the next Sitting. That is in accordance with Standing Order 53 (3) . Under the circumstances, I have to call the next Order. (Putting of the Question deferred) THE VIRTUAL ASSET SERVICE PROVIDERS BILL (Bill deferred)Where is...

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, do you want to pronounce yourself on this or you are doing something else?

Just one moment. Take your seat again. Hon. Members, I want to welcome Tangulbei High School from Tiaty Constituency in Baringo County. They are in the Speaker's Gallery. Also, Lily Academy from Ruiru in Kiambu County. Is Hon. Kamket in? Where is Hon. Kamket before we go to Kiambu? Mheshimiwa,...

Hon. King’ara, welcome the students from Ruiru Constituency in Kiambu County. Give him the microphone.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, you have ten minutes.

Hon. Kwenya.

Hon. Robert Basil.

Hon. Mutunga,

Hon. Tom Kajwang’

Yes, Hon. Kaluma, what is your point of information?

Three of them came from Homa Bay. Where does Hon. Caroli Omondi come from?

Homa Bay? Then all of you are from Homa Bay.

Hon. Mathenge, do you want to inform him? He is already on a point of information. You cannot inform an informer. (Hon. Duncan Mathenge spoke off the record) He is an informer. Order, you cannot inform him.

Hon. Kajwang’, you have two minutes to conclude.

Let us have Hon. Rozaah Buyu, followed by Hon. Nyakundi Japheth.

Hon. Nyakundi, is it true that you spoke to this particular Motion yesterday?

Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Farah. The Chairman is casting aspersions on me. He does not know that my family and my wives are watching this. He wants to land me in trouble when I go back home.

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Order, Hon. Otiende. There is a point of order from Hon. Farah. Hon. Speaker, there seems to be a conspiracy against me. You seem to have exhibited some profane behaviour in the Committee. (Laughter) No, Hon. Speaker. What is your point of order?...

Thank you. Hon. Millie Odhiambo- Mabona.

Hon. Kaluma.

Leader of the Majority Party. Give the microphone to the Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. KJ.

Order, Hon. KJ. I assume that some of the brilliant and intellectual minds might permeate to Members in the House through osmosis. (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record) Order, Hon. KJ. You will get time to conclude, Hon. Millie. We are learning a lot from the fine minds from...

Member for Ndhiwa.

The Leader of the Majority Party.

Thank you.

Members, let us allow Hon. Raso to have one minute then we put the Question.

Hon. Members, I will then call upon the Mover to reply. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to)

Thank you. We shall put the Question later. (Putting of the Question deferred) Next Order! ADOPTION OF REPORT ON BUDGET ESTIMATES FOR THE 2025/2026 FINANCIAL YEAR

It will be seconded by whom? I would like to ask the Leader of the Majority Party to second. Leader of the Majority Party, proceed.

Hon. Aseka.

Hon. Pukose.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, followed by Hon. Lesuuda, and then Hon. Makali, in that order. Then we come back to the next round.

Hon. Lesuuda. (An hon. Member spoke off the record) You take precedence over her.

Indeed. (Loud consultations)

We will now proceed with Hon. Lesuuda, followed by Hon. Muchira, then Hon. Bowen, and finally Hon. Tongoyo. Hon. Lesuuda, proceed. Take minimal time so that everybody gets a chance.

Order, Hon. Omboko, I thought all Hon. Owen Baya was saying is that he needs clarity. (Hon. Omboko Milemba stood in his place and spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Mboko Milemba. You are a Member of the Speaker’s Panel. When you are told by the Speaker, ‘order’, you stay...

Order, Hon. Memusi, allow Hon. Tongoyo to listen to what Hon. Oluoch is saying. He is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Security so it is important for him to listen. Hon. Tongoyo, have you heard what Hon. Oluoch has said? Please listen. Hon. Oluoch, repeat...

Hon. Owen Baya, do you have a point of order or you want to contribute?

Mama Zamzam, would you like to enrich the debate? If not, I would like to call upon the Chairman to give a commitment as to when he will have the response. Go ahead.

Mhe. Tongoyo, Mwenyekiti wa

Okay.

What is your point of order? POINT OF ORDER REDUCTION OF ALLOCATED FUNDS TOWARDS RURAL ROADS BY KERRA

I now call upon the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport to respond. Is he in the House? The Majority Party Whip, Hon. Osoro can you respond?

Please conclude.

Fair enough. I thought you meant you cannot hold the country hostage. Let us have Hon. Adan Keynan.

Fair enough. The only thing is that you have said you are the father of this House. You were still in the university when yours truly was already here, then you must be calling me a grandfather. (Laughter)

Fair enough. Hon. Wanami

We will go to the next Order. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) (Hon. David Kiplagat raised his hand) Hon. DK, what do you want to say? This matter has already been ventilated enough. Please take less than a minute to contribute.

Hon. Atandi, the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee, initially I had asked if you would like to contribute.

Fair enough. Let us go to the substantive Business in the Order Paper. STATEMENTS We are on Responses to Statements that were sought. We will start with the one for Hon. Katana, Member for Kaloleni. Is he in the House? I know Hon. Chiforomodo, who sought this Response, is not...

There is a communication from Hon. Chiforomodo in this case. He requested Hon. Katana, Member for Kaloleni, to be present on his behalf. But now that Hon. Katana is not in, we will defer giving the response. Let us be fair to him. (Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) consulted...

Fair enough. We will defer this to a date when the response is ready. (Response to Request for Statement by Hon. Paul Katana deferred) The next Statement is by Hon. Samuel Gachobe, Member for Subukia. Proceed.

I am a little bit short-sighted and unable to see far. (Laughter) MURDER OF MS WANJIRU MUTONGA IN SUBUKIA CONSTITUENCY

Hon. Gachobe, do you have a clarification you are seeking in this?

Hon. Martha Wangari.

Hon. Whip of the Minority Party.

Hon. Millie.

Fair enough. You have made your point. Hon. Keynan, and for the benefit of the Members of Parliament, you do not have to have a petition for the committee to do an exhaustive investigation to invite Members of Parliament, the Cabinet Secretary or anybody else. Hon. Tongoyo, do you hear...

We have done sufficient ventilation on this matter and the Chair will do the needful. Let us proceed to the next one on Education. PLIGHT OF UNEMPLOYED TEACHERS AGED 45 YEARS AND ABOVE Is the Chair of Departmental Committee on Education in?

What about the Question? Hon. David Kiplagat, the Chair is not around, so what happens?

No, he has not given up.

Order, Hon. Member. You made your point. Hon. DK, I direct that this matter be put on the Order Paper for tomorrow. I am sure Hon. Melly will understand the urgency, need and seriousness of the Chair on that matter. If he was told to have it on the first...

Hon. Keynan, are you okay with next week?

You have made your point. Chair, are you willing to give that undertaking now or at another date? I think you can give it now. Give the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Energy the microphone.

Both Responses four and five are deferred to Tuesday afternoon next week. (Response to Requests for Statements deferred) Next is to the Departmental Committee on Health. CHALLENGES FACED BY TEACHERS AND POLICE OFFICERS IN ACCESSING MEDICAL SERVICES Is the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Health in?

Where is he? Member for Seme, this is on challenges teachers and police officers face in accessing medical services under medical insurance. Is this under medical insurance? This Statement was sought by Hon. Muchangi Karemba, Member for Runyenjes. Is he around? Let us give Hon. Karemba the benefit of the...

Order, Hon. Vice-Chairperson.

Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands in the House? Sorry, I meant the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour. Is he around? Hon. Mule, why not shout and say; “Yes”? You have a microphone in front of you. Is the Member for Nandi County, Hon. Cynthia...

Let us just be fair to them. Is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Lands in the House? Can you use the microphone next to you? Is that Hon. Machua Waithaka?

Fair enough. It has to be expunged from the Order Paper because it has already been dealt with. Am I right? That matter has been addressed. (Response to Request for Statement by Hon. Machua Waithaka was already answered) The last Response to a Request for a Statement is by Hon....

I direct that this Response to a Request for a Statement be put on the Order Paper for Tuesday afternoon, next week. (Response to Request for Statement by Hon. Feisal Bader deferred) Let us go back to Order 14. RATIFICATION OF THE AGREEMENT ON FISHERIES SUBSIDIES

Where is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Labour? Hon. Dorothy, are you responding on behalf of the Chairperson?

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, Chief Whip of the Minority Party.

Yes, Chairperson of the Committee. Proceed. Hon. David Gikaria (Nakuru Town East, UDA) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, I echo what Hon. Millie has indicated. Export of labour has become a menace. Just the other day, we saw on television that the government is being accused of taking people's money and...

For the benefit of the House, maybe one needs to see the thin line between labour export and brain drain. Is it brain drain when we export drivers, security guards and maids out of the country? That is not brain drain. It is important that the Chairperson notes that we...

Hon. Adan, you have now turned this into a debate. You need to raise issues that you think will enrich the Statement that has been sought. Do not debate the matter. Hon. Muge has asked for a statement. If you believe that you have additional information to contribute, please, do...

That is noted. Hon. (Dr) Nyamai, do you have something to add?

Fair enough. Let us have Hon. Oundo, who will be followed by Hon. Martha. Kindly, be very brief. If there is any gap that you feel should be included in the statement request, address just that gap.

Yes, Hon. Martha. Yes, it is you. Who is that? I am a little short-sighted.

The last comment on this Statement request will come from the Member for Westlands, Hon. Timothy Wanyonyi.

Fair enough. The Member for Kesses will be the final one to comment. Please, ensure that your remarks raise points not previously mentioned.

Is the Chairperson of the Committee present? If he is not present, we can have any Member of the Committee or Leader of the Majority or Whip of the Majority Party to give an undertaking, on behalf of the Committee? We do not have the Leader of the Majority Party,...

Very well, that is acceptable. The next request for Statement will be from the Member for Msambweni, Hon. Faisal Bader. UNYAKUZI WA ARDHI YA MSIKITI WA KONGO KATIKA ENEOBUNGE LA MSAMBWENI Kuna Mhe. yeyote angependa

Mhe. wa Kesses, angalia jinsi unavyoweza kuboresha Kauli hii. (Laughter)

Unachangia Hoja? Sisi tunataka

Tunataka uchangie Kauli sio Hoja.

Mhe. Kaluma.

Point of order ni nidhamu kwa Kiswahili. Mhe. Kaluma.

Mhe. Kaluma, katika Kanuni za Kudumu zetu na pia Katiba yetu, lugha mbili zinazokubaliwa kutumika Bungeni ni Kiswahili na Kizungu. Kwa hivyo, kama amezungumza kwa Kiswahili, amezingatia Kanuni za Kudumu. Wacha tumskize Mhe. Haro, alafu atafuatwa na Mhe. Mayaka.

Sawa Kamati wamekusikia. Mhe.

Mhe. Sigei, kisha Mhe. Nyikal alafu tutamskiza Mwenyekiti wa Kamati.

Mhe. Nyikal alafu tutamsikiza

Mhe. Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Kiidara ya Ardhi (Mhe. David Gikaria spoke off record) Unataka kuchangia? Wapi Mwenyekiti wa Kamati ya Kiidara ya Ardhi? Kuna yeyote kutoka Kamati hio hapa? Basi Mheshimiwa endelea, yako ndio ya mwisho kuchangia.

Kama hakuna mtu kutoka .… (Mhe. Naomi Waqo spoke off record) Mhe. Naomi, wewe ni Naibu wa Kiranja wa Chama cha Walio Wengi Bungeni. Unaweza kutueleza na kupeana ahadi ya kuhakikisha tumepata majibu kuhusu kauli hii?

Next is Hon. Victor Koech, Member for Chepalungu. Proceed and put the request for your statement. HUMAN-WILDLIFE CONFLICT IN CHEPALUNGU CONSTITUENCY

We have another Request of Statement by Hon. Marianne Keitany to the same Committee. I direct that you also take it so HUMAN-WILDLIFE CONFLICT IN ALDAI CONSTITUENCY

There is not much interest here. It is a very straightforward Request of Statement. Yes, Kitur, do you have something to add?

You have already made your point. We just want to listen to the Chairperson of the Committee giving an undertaking. The Deputy Majority Whip, Hon. Naomi Waqo, will give an undertaking on both Requests of Statements if the Chairperson is not in. The matters by the Member for Chepalungu and...

Thank you. Yes, Member for Chepalungu. I am hesitating to call you by your nickname. Did you say you are called Mandazi?

Hon. Deputy Chief Whip of the Majority Party, do you think you can take that responsibility to create a rendezvous between the Hon. Member seeking the Statement, the Principal Secretary and people involved?

Thank you. There is a Statement by the Chairperson of the Committee on Parliamentary Broadcasting and Library. We will defer it to the afternoon. BROADCASTING OF THE PARLIAMENTARY PROCEEDINGS RESPONSES TO STATEMENTS STATUS OF MAVOKO WATER SUPPLY PROJECT

Is Hon. Kamene in the House?

Yes, I can see you. Proceed, Hon. Bowen.

Let us have the Member for Machakos County, Hon. Joyce Kamene.

Fair enough. Chairman, hang on a minute. Let Hon. Kemei also weigh in on that, and then you will answer.

Fair enough. Hon. Kangogo Bowen, the issue is that this has been ongoing for 10 good years. Can you be definitive about the exact timeline when the residents of Mavoko will enjoy that massive Government investment?

Fair enough. That is a very firm undertaking, and it is the presumption of the Speaker that you have already done your work well. I do not see any more interest in this matter other than from Hon Omanyo. Is it on the same issue?

There being no further interest in this matter, we will move to the next response by the Departmental Committee on Energy. The Statement was sought by the Member for Funyula, Hon. (Dr) Oundo. OPERATIONS OF KUDURA POWER EAST AFRICA IN WESTERN REGION

Hon. Oundo.

The interest is only one way. Do you have something to add? Please give him the microphone.

Have you lifted the veil on that to see why such an unfair deal can be done to the Government? Who are the owners of KUDURA Power, East Africa Ltd., and other exploitative power producers’ outfits that sell to the national grid at a high price?

This is because it protects the interests of KUDURA Power East Africa Ltd., and similar organisations. The Chair is forced to move in this year because we made an undertaking that we will protect this country under all circumstances. When we were in Naivasha, these matters predominantly came up and...

Member for Gem, Hon. Gikaria is the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Energy. He is responding to a Statement that was sought by Hon. Oundo. The only way you can rise is to enrich that Statement so that Hon. Gikaria gives more information. You are not there to defend...

Relax. Hold your horses. Hon. Oundo, you had asked a Supplementary Question.

Hon. Gikaria, it is a tall order. KUDURA Power East Africa Ltd., does not sell power to Kenya Power. It is a direct relationship between the producers and consumers, but the price is regulated by the Government agency. That is the elephant in the room. Do you want to say...

Is there any grey area that you would like it to be addressed? This should be captured on the HANSARD. (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off-the-record) If I were you, I would ask for the lifting of the veil to see who is behind this KUDURA Power East Africa. Whether...

The Member for Turkana Central is on a point of order.

Hon. (Dr) Oundo, I believe you are done. Hon. Gikaria, have you given an undertaking on when you will respond with a comprehensive answer?

That is in order. Let us have the response to Hon. Shurie request on the issue of HELB. Is Hon. Shurie in the House? I can see you. Who is answering this? Is it the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health or Education? EXCLUSION OF KMTC STUDENTS FROM HELB...

Hon. Shurie, are you happy with that?

Fair enough. It has to be comprehensive unless other issues crop up. That is in order. Next is the response to a Statement by Hon. (Amb.) Sigei, my former District Commissioner (DC) , when DCs were powerful in this country. When I first came to Parliament, you were the DC...

Hon. Rahab Mukami.

Hon. Vice-Chairman, any other? Wait, let us take one or two from those interested. Hon. Robert Mbui, I can see your name here. Do you want to weigh in on this? (Hon. Robert Mbui spoke off the record) Anyway, proceed, Hon. Vice-Chairman.

Hon. Mukami, do you have a follow- up question? I do not see any more interest.

Hon. Mayaka.

Where is the Chairman? I do not see any further interest in this except that. Respond to that.

The presumption is that when you talk about security, you are looking at the totality of all that. Hon. Vice-Chairman, do you have something to add to that?

Point of order? (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record)

Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

He is not the Hon. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health. He is the Hon. Vice-Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs.

Health comes in on the collaboration. We shall go to the next one. Hon. Lekuton. Sorry, Hon. Chairman, Departmental Committee on Energy.

Hon. Lekuton.

Chairman, I recollect that you talked about 400,000 hectares. Is that the farm or the area of the plant itself? You have to differentiate between the two. My presumption is that the farm is very big, but the power collection happens at a central place.

Order. Hon. Lekuton is on a point of order. I have a feeling it is because of something you said.

Chairman, continue. The feeling I get is that you are talking about a collective government agencies approach. We need to get this as clear as possible. It is a very important issue that needs to be clarified fully.

Hon. Raso, who also comes from the same region, is on a point of order. Let us hear from you, Hon. Raso.

Chairman, I take note of the limitations that you are placed in. Unfortunately, under our current Constitution, Committee Chairpersons are doing the work that used to be done by Ministers who were in both the Executive and the Legislature. It puts you on a conveyor belt. You could take more...

Hon. (Dr) Makali Mulu.

Contracts are in compatible currencies because these are liabilities or debts to pay. In our case, they are either in euros or in dollars. Therefore, it does not matter how much the exchange rate is. At the end of the day, that is our liability as a country. (Hon. Japheth...

The Member of Wajir South, Hon Adow. Move to the microphone on your right-hand side.

It is not the substantive matter we are dealing with. However, because of the collective responsibility of all Chairs and leadership of the House, the former Chair could raise that with the current Chair to bring the issue at an appropriate moment. Now we are dealing with Marsabit.

Hon. Melly, you intended to raise something on the same. I thought I saw your hand up. Was it for something else or this?

You do not raise your hand regarding an Order that is not on the Floor of the House. Wait for the Order. Chair, I suggest that you take all these concerns into account. Indeed, there is wisdom behind why we have community land. It is anchored in our Constitution to...

For the benefit of Hon. Bisau, the Chairperson is also conscious of the fact that most of those… (Hon. David Gikaria spoke off the record) Just a moment, Hon. Gikaria. You will speak. Many of the IPPs charge on capacity. You will make that clear because I am sure you...

This translates to Ksh5 per unit. On the other hand, we pay Ksh80 per unit to IPPs. As a House, this is an area we should delve into. Hon. Gikaria, proceed with what you wanted to raise. Under your watch, we believe you will do a very good job.

Excellent. Chairperson, you have to understand the concept of lifting the veil in law. When we were in Naivasha, I said that you could not locate the camels that were stolen by the owner. These contracts were lopsided because very powerful people in the system had interests. Unless you go...

How long do you need to come up with a very comprehensive answer? I presume this will be after you hold a session with the Members of Parliament from the affected areas, the Ministry of Energy and Petroleum and all the other stakeholders.

Fair enough. Hon. Lekuton, are you happy with that?

Okay. It is so directed by the Chair. Next Order. Deputy Leader of the Minority Party. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON CONSIDERATION OF IMPLEMENTATION OF UN SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTIONS ON SUPPRESSION OF TERRORISM

Order, Deputy Leader of the Minority Party. The tradition is that you first read the Motion verbatim: “Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg to move the following Motion: THAT, this House adopts the Report of the Committee on...” Then, you proceed and finish.

Order, Hon. Mbui. I have sought clarification from the Clerks-at-the-Table. I have been told that this Motion is supposed to be moved now. It has never been moved before. If you want to move it now, the tradition is to do what I told you: “Hon. Temporary Speaker, I beg...

No! You should say, “ adopts”. Do you have the Order Paper? Give him the Order Paper so he can read the terms of the Motion verbatim. Go to Order No.17. You are a senior Member.

Hon. Charles Onchoke.

Fair enough. (Question proposed) This is a straightforward issue.

Member for Kitui Rural.

Hon. Saney Ibrahim, Member for Wajir North.

Hon. Member for Bondo, Hon. Ochanda Gideon.

Is the honourable Member for Meru in?

The Member for Westlands, Hon. Tim Wanyonyi.

Hon. Phylis Bartoo. (Hon. Liza Chelule spoke off the record) The lady at the back, did you put in your card? It is not there. Can you approach the Speaker and explain? I cannot see your name here. Proceed, Hon. Bartoo.

If we each take as little time as possible without repeating what has already been said, all Members will have an opportunity to speak because there is a lot of interest in this matter.Proceed,

Hon. Dawood, the Member of Parliament for Meru.

Member for Samburu East, Hon. Lekumontare.

Next is Hon. Abdul Haro, who will be followed by Hon. Chelule.

Hon. Chelule.

Proceed, Hon. Chelule.

Asante. Sasa tumsikize Mhe. Caroli Omondi, ambaye atafuatwa na Mhe. Bady, kisha Mhe. Ruweida Obo. Alafu tutamsikiza Mheshimiwa Sabina Chege.

Order, Hon. Member. Hon. Caroli Omondi, you will have additional seven minutes when the debate resumes. Hon. Bedzimba, Hon. Obo and Hon. Chege will follow you in that order once we resume debate on this matter. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Order, Vice-Chairman. I do not know if the rules have changed, but ordinarily, whether it is a chairman or anybody, they are not supposed to be reading a text all through. You are supposed to refer to that as notes. Make it as brief as possible, please.

Fair enough. That was brief and to the point. (Question proposed) I do not see much interest. Leader of the Majority Party, do you want to say something? Hon. Keynan.

Order, Hon. Wamboka! What is out of order? (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) No! You cannot say that we know. It is a point of debate. You will have your moment. Proceed, Hon. Keynan.

Are you on a point of order?

Order, Hon. Member. That is the real essence of bringing information. (Hon. Wanami Wamboka spoke off the record) Who do you want to inform? Your Chairman does not need information at this stage. Hon. Wamboka, you will have your moment. Hon. Keynan, do you want to be informed by Hon....

Order, Hon. Member. My good friend, Hon. Martha Wangari, who is my colleague on the Speaker's Panel, and my other good lady friend there, your kamukunji is a bit too loud for the House. Please, do it in very low tones.

Leader of the Majority Party.

I will give Hon. Bisau an opportunity to contribute.

Hon. Junet, are you going to ask me to put the Question?

Order, Hon. Keynan. There is nothing out of order. Proceed, Hon.Junet.

What is out of order, Hon. Wamuchomba?

Order, Hon. Wamuchomba. You can trust that the Speaker will always protect you. Hon. Junet only said: ‘In the event that you lose your seat”. That phrase is neither here nor there. Proceed.

Order, Hon. Junet. What is your point of information, Leader of the Majority Party?

Proceed, Hon. Junet.

Order. This is getting out of hand. Order, Hon. Junet. I will give you an opportunity, but you had better know how to navigate your way. The Standing Order are very clear that you cannot discuss the character of a Member without a substantive Motion. For God’s sake, do not...

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. You are both out of order. She discussed you without a substantive Motion. You are discussing her without a substantive Motion. I will not have that anymore. The House has to be orderly. Hon. Junet, please conclude.

Order, Leader of the Minority Party. Whether it is in good or bad light, you cannot discuss the character of an Hon. Member of Parliament on fortune’s back without a substantive Motion. (Several Members spoke off the record) Order. Do you think the only time one is out of order...

Order, Hon. Junet. Hon. Zamzam.

What is your point of information, Hon. K’Oyoo? Hon. Pukose, do you wish to be informed by Hon. K’Oyoo?

Order, Hon. Members. I think you need to understand a little bit about Statecraft. An ambassador is a representative of the President. That is why he is called His or Her Excellency.

Order. That is why it is not a demotion when you are appointed an ambassador. Technically, maybe, your opinion on the pecking order has a certain thing. However, an ambassador represents the Head of State. That is why they are called His or Her Excellency. You cannot address a principal...

Order, Hon. Pukose. Is it the mood of the House that the Mover be now called upon to reply? (Loud consultations)

Next Order. Second Reading THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATIONS BILL Chairman, Budget and Appropriations Committee.

You cannot rise on a point of order before a Bill is seconded. Proceed to second.

What is your point of order?

Order, Hon. Members. (Hon. Junet Mohamed spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Junet. I do not know how low you got this Parliament to. When a Member rises on a point of order and raises the issue of quorum, I have to ask the Serjeant-at-Arms to check whether there is...