MAALIM, FARAH

Hon. Martha, second the Motion.

Are you on a point of order? (Hon. Yusuf Hassan spoke off the record) Hon. Hassan, this is your fourth time in Parliament. The Question has to be proposed first. (Laughter)

For your benefit and the rest of the membership of this House, the matter of unexploded ordnances was raised in earlier Parliaments, including the Seventh and Eighth Parliaments. There was also a case where a Kenyan lady was killed by a marine during those earlier years. Anyway, Hon. Keynan, have...

If you take the DNA of all the mixed- race children and engage the UK DNA banks, you will get everybody who is responsible. Proceed, Hon. Kenan.

Order!

You are on a point of order on what? You rise on a point of order when a contributor is on his or her feet. Let us listen to Hon. Murugara, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs.

Order! Are you on a point of order?

No. You should have asked him when he was on his feet. Proceed, Hon. Murugara.

Order! Hon. Madam Emaase and Hon. Keynan, consult in very low tones.

What is your point of order? (Hon. Mary Emaase spoke off the record) Oh, I am sorry, it was Hon. Omanyo. I am sorry, Hon. Emaase.

Next is Hon. Kombe, who will be followed by the Member for Kamukunji. Mhe. Harisson Kombe (Magarini, ODM) : Asante, Mhe. Spika wa Muda, kwa kunipa nafasi niweze kuchangia. Lakini, kwanza, naomba nitoe shukrani kwa Mwenyezi Mungu na wananchi wa Magarini walionichagua tena kurudi katika Bunge hili. (Applause) Tunayo hoja...

Order, Hon. (Dr) Oundo. Order, Members. Mhe. Kombe amesema kuwa ananukuu matamshi ya hayati Mzee Jomo Kenyatta. Endelea Mhe. Kombe.

Kabla Mbunge wa Kamukunji kuchangia Hoja huu, ningependa kuwatambulisha bungeni wanafunzi kutoka eneo Bunge la Bura, Kaunti ya Tana River, waliohitimu chuo kikuu leo. Namwalika Mhe. wa Bura awakaribishe pia.

Nawapongeza wanafunzi waliohitimu. I now call upon the Member for Kamukunji to weigh in on this Motion. He will be followed by Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

Hon. Hassan, are you sure that Parliament had taken a serious Kenyan position anytime in the past on this matter? Proceed, Hon. Rozaah Buyu.

Hon. Leo, Member for Mbeere North.

They do not treat you as second- class citizens because they are not citizens of this country but as second-class human beings. Member for Nandi County.

I now give the opportunity to the most senior veteran military man in this House, none other than Colonel Raso.

Hon. Members, the same way you think that we should not be despised by the British or the whites in the West, is the same way every Member is an equal Member of this House. (Loud consultations)

Hon. Raso, you trained in the United Kingdom, just as British soldiers train in our country. You did not have any immunity from criminal activities. You should educate Members on that. Did you have any immunity?

You never know. (Laughter)

He is not in order, basically. The responsibility has always been there. Hon. Members, Hon. Murugara, for the benefit of the House, for those of you who were not around at that time, and I am glad Hon. Murugara was around at that time. There was a mutiny in 1964....

Let us have Hon. Elachi. The 11th Battalion, Kenya Rifles, was dissolved.

Member for Turkana Central.

Hon. Emathe.

Proceed.

Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INQUIRY INTO THE PROPOSED SALE OF SHARES IN EAST AFRICAN PORTLAND CEMENT PLC

Who was on the Floor at the time? (Several Members spoke off-record) It has not been moved. Order, Hon. Members. You do not run the House with me. The Order Paper indicates any matter moved. I am now informed that it has not been moved. Move it and get somebody...

Hon. Speaker, I would like to draw the attention of the Cabinet Secretary to how the National Authority for the Campaign Against Drug Abuse (NACADA) has classified miraa. The study classified miraa and muguka as drugs containing the psychoactive substances, cathinone and cathine, which stimulate the central nervous system. When...

Hon. Speaker, this young Member of Parliament from Meru is half-Somali, if you look at him very closely. I have never consumed miraa in my entire life. I will be turning 70 years old next year and I can assure you that I will never consume miraa. It is a...

Give Hon. Owen the microphone.

Hon. Nabii Nabwera.

He means regulated brokerage with rules that ensure fair play. Proceed, Hon. Nabii.

Hon. Nabwera, Hon. Saney is one of the most eloquent and refined Queen's English speakers in this House. He has read a lot of Shakespeare. In any case, he has a First Class Honours Degree in his own field of study.

Hon. Saney Ibarahim.

Hon. Bashir Abdullahi, did you wish to contribute on this debate? You had enlisted your name earlier. How about Hon. David Mboni?

Is Hon. Abdul Haro in the House? No. There does not seem to be any more interest. I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Fair enough. Hon. Members, I now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON RATIFICATION OF THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN SINGAPORE AND KENYA FOR ELIMINATION OF DOUBLE TAXATION ON TAXES ON INCOME AND PREVENTION OF TAX EVASION AND AVOIDANCE Is the Chairperson of the Departmental...

Hon. Catherine Omanyo.

We are dealing with Order No. 10. Fair enough. As there is no further interest in this business, I will call upon the Mover to reply.

Fair enough.

Order, Hon. Member. You have raised a Quorum issue, and, understandably, the Chair is also convinced that we do not have Quorum. I direct that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung)

Hon. Members, as a matter of fact, for all the other businesses except the one concerning the military, the Chairpersons are not around. I think there has to be strong communication for them to be available here to perform their jobs and maintain a working House. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the...

Leader of the Majority Party, do you wish to be informed?

Go ahead, Hon. Chepkonga.

Is it a culture or habit?

Hon. Keynan. Actually, it is more than three times, not two times.

Leader of the Majority Party, proceed.

Order, Hon. Oundo. Parliament is a political institution.

Order, Hon. Members. Order, Hon. (Dr) Oundo and Hon. Chepkonga. THE JUDGES RETIREMENT BENEFITS BILL APPROVAL OF THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (GOVERNMENT PRESS FUND) REGULATIONS 2025 Hon. Chepkonga.

Hon. Janet.

Yes, Hon. Oundo.

Is there anybody else? Fair enough. There being no further interest, I call upon Hon. Chepkonga to reply.

Fair enough. Hon. Members, my role is to put the Question. APPROVAL OF PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (SPORTS, ARTS AND SOCIAL DEVELOPMENT FUND) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 2025 Chairperson, Committee on Delegated Legislation.

Hon. Mwalyo.

Hon. (Dr) Oundo.

Those of us who have a memory of the 1960s and the 1970s will not forgive Kenyans for failing to remember the real stars of the 1960s. You have mentioned Kipchoge Keino but there was Ben Jipcho, Wilson Kiprugut, Naftali Temu and Amos Biwott. These are the people who put...

I know it is not for your Committee but the Departmental Committee on Sports and Culture must put up statues for the people who have put us on the map of the world. Naftali Temu, if my memory serves me right, ran barefoot and gave us a gold medal. A...

Hon. Oundo takes a lot of pleasure in boxing and, I think, soccer. I am sure he only remembers Joe Kadenge. Do you not remember JJ Masiga and Kadir Farah? (Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo spoke off the record) Do you remember Kadir Farah?

Hon. Oundo says that JJ Masiga comes from Bumula Constituency, therefore, Bumula must be celebrated. (Question put and agreed to) Hon. Okuome, MP for Karachuonyo, what is your point of order before we go to the next Order? Am I right? I knew when the MP for Karachuonyo was some...

Okay. If my memory serves me very well, I remember Hon. Phoebe Asiyo was also a Member of Parliament for Karachuonyo. Am I right? We served with her in the 7th Parliament. (Hon. Adipo Okuome nodded in agreement) I now direct that the Quorum Bell be rung for 10 minutes....

He is making a lot of sense. Proceed, Hon. Member.

Sorry, Hon. Chepkonga. Just one minute. I want to recognise the presence of the NG-CDF Committee of Bumula Constituency in Bungoma County. They are in the Public Gallery. I call upon Hon. Omboko.

Hon. Chepkonga.

Order, Hon. Chepkonga. The

She is the youngest Member in Parliament. Proceed.

Fair enough. Hon. Chepkonga.

Order! I think you meant there is a tarmac road from Wajir to Mandera, but not Marsabit to Wajir. Proceed. Is that the information you want to give him? (Hon. Ibrahim Saney spoke off the record) Fair enough. He has the information. Hon. Temporary Speaker has volunteered to give him....

Hon. Kirima.

Hon. Sene Ibrahim.

Hon. Cherorot, followed by Hon. Elisha. Proceed, Hon. Cherorot.

Hon. Elisha. Is Hon. Eve Obara in the House?

Is he willing to be informed? Just a moment. Are you willing to be informed by the Member of Parliament for Funyula?

Proceed.

You need also to inquire from a scholar to find out exactly how much was the dollar reserve at that time. The dollar reserve mitigates the dollar against the shilling because if the reserve is more, one can control the strength of the shilling, but there is a small reserve,...

The assertion by a number of Members of Parliament who have contributed on this is that we had very little reserves when we took over. That was also in the Speech of the President. Thereafter, there was downward spiral that happened immediately after the elections. Progressively, it went all the...

Hon. Dick Maungu, followed by the Hon. Oyula.

I will now give the opportunity to Hon. Oyula, followed by Hon. Odege, then Hon. Yusuf.

Next will be Hon. Odege, who will be followed by Hon. Yusuf, Hon. Cynthia Muge, Hon. Kanchory Memusi and Hon. Manduku, in that order. Proceed, Hon. Odege.

Proceed.

Member for Wajir West.

Hold on.

Fair enough. I think that was a very general statement by the Member, both in terms of tarmac as well as the…

Hon. Yussuf, fidelity to facts is very important. The Temporary Speaker draws your attention to Page 118 of the President’s Speech. It states that the Ministry of Water, Sanitation and Irrigation, alongside all relevant agencies, has already mapped the precise locations of the dams. The projects span the breadth of...

Order! We will not have back and forth. Just read Page 118. Do not cherry-pick. Read the whole Speech. Proceed. (Hon. Cynthia Muge spoke off the record) He cannot be informed if he is not on his feet. (Hon. Cynthia Muge spoke off the record) Who do you want to...

The Member means that you can have non-rain-fed agriculture, which means using dams, underground water, or subsurface water. Fair enough. He is happy with that information.

Proceed, Hon. Memusi.

Order, Hon. Wanjala. The Temporary Speaker notes that, because he is from an arid area. You can extract water from underground. There is desalinated water from the sea for agriculture and drinking. Proceed.

Next is Hon. Manduku, who will be followed by Hon. Wanjala. (Hon. Raphael Wanjala consulted loudly) Order, Hon. Wanjala. Hon. Tonui from Kuresoi will follow them and then we continue like that progressively. Hon. Manduku, proceed.

Order, Hon. Wanjala! What is your point of order, Hon. Kimaiyo? Hon. Wanjala, you will have more time. Clerk, you will give him an additional four or five minutes. Hon. Kimaiyo, what is your point of order?

Order! Yes, Dr Mutunga, are you on a point of information? Hon. Wanjala, do you wish to be informed by Dr Mutunga? Proceed, Dr Mutunga.

Hon. Wanjala, do you wish to be informed by Hon. Cynthia?

What is your point of order, Hon. Cynthia?

Allow Hon. Wanjala to make his contribution.

Order, Hon. Wanjala. Do you wish to be informed by the Deputy Speaker? Proceed, Hon. Sholei.

Order! There is due process in this country. I rule you out of order. Whether he is in Mbeere, Garissa or Budalangi, do not condemn an individual who does not have access to protect himself here. Continue and give your contribution on the substance that was in the President’s speech....

The rules somehow shackle us. As a Chair right now. I cannot debate with another Member. However, as you mentioned, there are tarmac roads in Wajir, though they are not as good as those in other parts of the country. There is also a very elaborate and ambitious programme to...

Order, Hon. Wanjala. The Address by the President also included River Yatta in Machakos, Thuci Dam in Embu, Muhoya Dam in Nyeri and others. The word “others” means as much as the ones listed. It does not mean any less than the other ones listed. Do you know what I...

I will give this chance to Hon. Tonui, followed by the Hon. Brighton, then Hon. Lotee. I will also give an opportunity to Hon. Kirui, as the Hon. Deputy Speaker had instructed me. Proceed, Hon. Tonui.

Hon. Brighton.

I will give the opportunity to Hon. Passaris and then Hon. (Dr) Mutunga. Hon. Lotee will contribute after that. Hon. Deputy Speaker has left that information with me. Let us proceed. Hon. Passaris, please go to the next microphone on the right side.

Order, Hon. Lotee. This is not how you operate in Parliament. Can you go back and do what you are supposed to do when you want to move to the other side of the House? Go to the Bar, cross to the other side, pick that item, and then return...

Hon. Dr Mutunga, the Chair of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture. You take precedence over other Members who are here now. We are an agricultural country. Agriculture is the mainstay of our economy. There is a lot of agriculture in that State of the Nation Address by the President. So,...

Let us have Hon. Lotee followed by Hon. Kitur.

Hon. Kitur, take exactly six minutes.

Good work. Hon. Lochakapong, Hon. Jaldesa and Hon. Letipila in that order.

Fair enough. You have concluded. Hon. (Prof.) Jaldesa Guyo, if you want your friends to have time to contribute, you must not take more than three minutes.

Hon. Letipila.

Hon. Kimaiyo.

Hon Members, the time being 7.05

You can only do it when he is still on his feet. Sorry. Hon. Gikaria. A certified version of this Report

Hon. Sarah Korere.

Hon. Zaheer Jhanda.

Order, Hon. Jhanda, “lie” is not parliamentary language. You say misleading if you want to do that. Under the circumstances, you have to withdraw the word lie. You cannot say that of a Member of Parliament.

Order. You have not apologised. You apologise and withdraw the word lie you have used or imputed against a Member. A certified version of this Report

Hon. Adagala followed by the Member for Garissa Township.

Member for Garissa Township followed by Hon. Rozaah Buyu then Hon. Eng Kiragu who will be followed by Hon. Omondi Caroli. Proceed.

Hon. Rozaah Buyu. I mentioned in that order. Proceed.

Hon. Kiragu.

Hon. Omondi Caroli.

Give him an additional minute. You can have one more minute.

Proceed. A certified version of this Report

Hon. Naomi Waqo, followed by Hon. Waluke, and then the Member for Dagoretti South. Am I right? To ensure gender balance, we will have the Member for Narok North. I will come to you all.

Clerk, give her one additional minute. A certified version of this Report

Hon. Waluke. When the Chair gives a certain order, it has to be obeyed.

Hon. John Kiarie.

Hon. Pareiyo

Next is Hon. Christine Ombaka, who will be followed by Hon. Basil. Thereafter, Hon. Sigei and Hon. Mayaka will speak, in that order. I will then come to the Member of Karachuonyo.

Hon. Basil, Member for Yatta.

Who was next? Hon. Member for Sotik Constituency, followed by Hon. Mayaka, Hon. Member for Karachuonyo Constituency and then Hon. Abdisirat Khalif. Hon. Sigei, continue.

Give him an additional two minutes. A certified version of this Report

Hon. Mayaka, followed by the Member for Karachuonyo.

Member for Karachuonyo, followed by Abdisirat Khalif.

Order, Hon. Members. There is a Member who is talking loudly. Where is that noise coming from? I thought that there was some noise interfering with the session. Who is interfering with the session? Hon. Members, do not put on your mobile phones when in Parliament. Proceed, Member for Karachuonyo.

Hon. Abdisirat Khalif.

Let us have Hon. Beatrice Kemei. Where is Hon. Chiforomodo? (Hon. Chiforomodo Mangale spoke off the record) Proceed, Hon. Kemei. A certified version of this Report

Hon. Chiforomodo. Mhe. Chiforomodo Mangale (Lungalunga, UDM) : Asante Mhe. Spika wa Muda kwa kunipa fursa hii ambayo nimengoja kwa muda mrefu. Labda ilikuwa upungufu wa mitambo. Ila nashukuru. Kwanza, natoa shukrani zangu na kuunga mkono yale Mhe. Rais alizungumzia katika hotuba yake hapa bungeni. Kama mtu anayetoka Pwani, kuna...

Hon. Members, we now adjourn the House. This debate on the State of the Nation Address by the President is for four days. So, we still have three more days. The time being 6.40 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, 26th November 2025, at 9.30 a.m. The House rose...

I also take this opportunity to welcome the distinguished delegation of Members of Parliament, a Member of the Senate, as well as members of the anti-corruption body in Nigeria, which has a different name from our Kenyan body. I shared a moment with them this morning. We exchanged a lot...

Madam Muhia.

Member for Tetu, followed by Hon. Kaguchia.

Hon. Kaguchia, followed by Hon. Rael Kasiwai.

Hon. Kasiwai.

Hon. Oundo.

Hon. Yegon, Member of Bomet East.

I do not see any further interest. Is the Mover ready to reply? Hon. Mwenje, are you the Vice-Chair of that Committee?

Hon. (Dr) John Mutunga, the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Agriculture and Livestock, will now have the Floor. Proceed.

Hon. Mwiti also has an interest in this matter.

Hon. Yegon, you still want to say something on this?

For the benefit of the Chairman, although I am not a tea farmer, I can safely say that the space those two cash crops occupy in our country is huge. Throughout our history, from colonial times to the Independent system of government... I was one of the few founders of...

You have made it a lot clearer. Liberalisation and the opening up of the market itself, as well as making it a free market, have their own challenges. This is because many people are taking advantage of it, essentially because it is no longer regulated. They buy the tea at...

Fair enough. There being no further interest in this, the Chair will put the Question at an appropriate time in the future. APPROVAL OF THE NATIONAL GREEN FISCAL INCENTIVES POLICY FRAMEWORK (Motion deferred)Do we have the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining? We do not have...

Hon. Members, before someone else catches my eye, I wish to welcome pupils of Ilkelunyeti Primary School from Kajiado East, Kajiado County, seated in the Public Gallery. Is there anybody from the Maa community here? I do not see anyone from Kajiado. However, they have loyal friends. My learned friend,...

Thank you. Hon. Makali also wants to put in a word because he is a neighbour. Please give him the microphone.

Unfortunately, he cannot run for the

Hon. Deputy Speaker, whereas we appreciate what the Ministry and KUCCPS are doing, it is very clear that “KUCCPS” stands for Kenya Universities and Colleges Central Placement Service. The KMTCs basically offer diploma courses, not degrees. The law does not cover KUCCPS admitting KMTC students. Unless we change the law,...

Cabinet Secretary, proceed and answer that Question. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to respond to the four questions on verification of schools and disbursement of capitation as follows: The Office of the Auditor-General recently reported that some of...

Fair enough. Hon. Gisairo.

Fair enough. Hon. Kassim followed by Hon. Oundo.

Fair enough. Hon. Oundo.

You have made your point. Hon. Donya, followed by the Member from Meru.

The Hon. lady at the back there. Who is that Member? (A Member spoke off the record) Hon. Muthoni Dorothy.

We will have two more questions, and then we will allow the Cabinet Secretary to respond. Mhe. Masito, uliza Swali.

Hon. Bisau, followed by the Member of Parliament for Sotik Constituency. Hon. Caroli Omondi will ask the last question. We will then have the next round. Hon. Members, you will realise that these are called riders because you did not file Questions. You do not expect the Cabinet Secretary here...

You have made your point. Member of Parliament for Sotik Constituency and finally the Member of Parliament for Suba South Constituency, Hon. Caroli Omondi.

The final question is from Hon. Rahab.

Hon. Member, are you on a point of order? Why not allow him to finish, and then you can raise that issue? You do not have to raise it now; you can wait until he is done. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : On Hon. Bissau's...

Member for Kwanza, give one quick rider, and then, of course, the MP for Nyeri Town. After that, we go to the next question. Proceed.

You have asked your question. Let us have Hon. Mathenge. (A Member spoke off-the-record) Yours is a point of order, relax.

You could have filed that question so that the Cabinet Secretary could come prepared for it. Hon. Members, we should be very serious with our business here.

Hon. Raso is the last one, and then we will go to the next Question.

Hon. Raso is a seasoned civil servant who rose through the ranks to become a senior military officer. You could have asked that question. The Cabinet Secretary could have come prepared with a comprehensive answer for you. That is why we call these riders. Actually, we are trying to mask...

Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you can answer that, but do not feel obligated to address a question that was not part of the original inquiry. If you can answer it, it is your pleasure. If not, then you can always give another date or time. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education...

Cabinet Secretary, if you wish to answer that question, I will give you a quick shot. If not, the Member of Parliament will file it. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Again, there might be a delay in the disbursement of HELB because of the exchequer....

Order, order, order. There is one school that Hon. Donya talked about. Do you have any additional schools? Give the list to the Cabinet Secretary so that he can take action. As he said, the rules are very clear. Order. How many specific cases do you have right now? All...

Yes, what is it, Hon. Raso? Please, do not use this opportunity to ride roughshod over cabinet secretaries. Please, give them your questions and expect answers within the timeline. Let them go back and file the answers to specific questions.

An independent arbiter does not have to agree with you. The Cabinet Secretary has said the rules are clear. If you have specific cases, go and talk to him about them.

Which he has said. He has been dealing with these things on a case-by-case basis.

Cabinet Secretary, the issue being raised, although not as a formal question by any Member, is serious. We are all parents, and she has raised a very emotional issue when you talk about young girls who are pregnant and the dangers they face. Can you give a firm undertaking to...

Order, Hon. Kassim. That matter has been raised and ruled on firmly. Cabinet Secretary, give a firm undertaking, given the dangerous exposure of our young girls. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker and Hon. Members, for their concern. We, as a...

Thank you. The next question is from Hon. Martha Wangari, asking on behalf of Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Cabinet Secretary, proceed. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Hon. Temporary Speaker, the Ministry of Education allocates funds for co-curricular activities as part of the annual capitation for primary, junior, and secondary schools as follows: sent to the regional, county and sub-county offices to run co-curricular...

Yes, Member of Parliament for Yatta.

Hon. Raso. There again, look at it. Answer it if you are prepared. Give us an undertaking if you are not prepared.

Hon. Oyula of Butula. Is he in the House?

Hon. Member of Parliament for Funyula.

Okay, fair enough. Hon (Dr) Nyikal. I see your name here. It must have been an old request. Hon. Kassim, then the Member at the back.

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you. There is a reason the Ministry retains amounts to send to counties. It is to run clustered activities at the county and regional levels. Individual schools cannot run the activities. Perhaps with the suggestion of Hon....

Yes, Cabinet Secretary? Thank you. Question No.70. Hon. Kimaiyo.

Okay, proceed. ORDINARY QUESTIONS QN 70/2025 REDUCTION IN CAPITATION FUNDING

Hon. Maina Mathenge, Member for Nyeri Town.

Member for Saku.

Member for Marakwet West, did you put in your card because you want to ask a question?

Okay. Member for Funyula, Hon. Oundo and Hon. Jematiah.

Hon. Jematiah. Give her the microphone.

Hon. Kassim.

Member for Kesses.

Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. On the question of free and compulsory basic education, I am of the view that the Constitution requires us as Government to provide free primary and secondary education under Article 53, but we...

You have made your point, Hon. Raso, be the last one.

Hon. Lochakapong, the very last one.

The Cabinet Secretary, answer this and then we will go to the next Question. The Cabinet Secretary, Ministry of Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. But one fundamental issue you have to take note of as you are answering is that you admit that there are...

The Cabinet Secretary has given a serious undertaking that he is going to come up with a comprehensive global answer to that question. However, it is illegal to send any child home from school. Cabinet Secretary, I hope I got you right that you will proceed to influence issuance of...

We are through with the Questions.

Order! The Member for Kesses, please, sit down. What is your point of order, Hon. Wangwe?

The Member for Funyula, Latin is not one of the languages of the National Assembly. The Member for Kesses, what was your issue?

That was not in the body of the Question that the Cabinet Secretary was prescribing. However, should the he wish to give an answer at a later date, it will be up to him. Cabinet Secretary, if you want to answer now, you can proceed and answer. The Cabinet Secretary,...

Hon. Kassim Tandaza.

Kuna hoja ya nidhamu.

Mhe. Tandaza, nidhamu ni nidhamu. Mhe. Martha ako na hoja ya nidhamu.

Mheshimiwa wa Matuga, hiyo ni Kanuni za Kudumu, ama kwa Kimombo Standing Orders za Bunge hili. Kwa vile umeanza na Kiswahili, endelea kuchangia Hoja yako vile vile. Hon. Kassim Tandaza (Matuga, ANC) : Nimechukua Kanuni hizo za Kudumu na nitajaribu kuzifuata ijapokuwa Kiswahili sanifu, ni ‘Bunge hili’ wala sio ‘Bunge...

Hon. Nabii Nabwera.

Hon. Wangwe has a point of information. Hon. Nabwera, do you wish to be informed?

Member for Nyeri Town, Hon. Mathenge.

Hon. Kirima Moses.

Hon. Members, there being no further interest from Members to contribute to the Motion, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Hon. Members, I direct that this Question be put at an appropriate time in the future. (Putting of the Question deferred) Therefore, I now direct that we go to the next Order. COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE HOUSE [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. Farah Maalim) left the Chair] IN THE COMMITTEE [The...

Chairperson, report to the House.

Mover? Leader of the Majority Party.

I cannot put the question before you move the recommittal.

Hon. Lochakapong, you have to be on the Hansard. Come to where the Leader of the Majority Party is or go to where the Member of Parliament for Kesses is.

The Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

Mover of the Bill. Are you in agreement with the Report?

You have to be on record.

Hon. Members, the Question will be put another time in the future. (Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred) Next Order. THE INTERGOVERNMENTAL RELATIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL Leader of Majority Party, you will move the Second Reading.

Fair enough. Hon. Members, under the circumstances, the Chairperson has directed that this matter be placed in the Order Paper for tomorrow afternoon. Next Order! ADOPTION OF GREEN FISCAL INCENTIVES POLICY FRAMEWORK Where is the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining? Leader of the Majority Party,...

(Motion deferred)Fair enough! Under the circumstance, I accept and direct that this matter be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate date in future, when the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining will be able to prosecute this Motion. Next Order. ADOPTION OF EALA’S FORTH...

(Motion deferred)The Temporary Speaker directs that this Motion, which is a Report by the Chairperson of the Committee on Regional Integration, be deferred to an appropriate date in the future when the Chairperson will be in the House. Next Order. APPROVAL OF THE PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES (THE GLOBAL CENTRE FOR...

(Motion deferred)The Temporary Speaker directs that this matter also appears on the Order Paper at a date in future when the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Environment, Forestry and Mining can prosecute the Motion. Next Order. THE TEA (AMENDMENT) BILL (Laughter) THE MATERNAL NEWBORN AND CHILD HEALTH BILL The...

(Bill deferred)The Temporary Speaker directs that this matter be placed on the Order Paper at an appropriate date when Hon. (Dr) Nyikal can prosecute his Bill. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, there being no other business on the Order Paper today, and the time being 8:25 p.m. this House stands adjourned until...

Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi.

Hon. Wangwe, are you an accountant or an auditor by profession? No wonder you are so thorough and professional. (Question proposed) Let us have the Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

I do not know whether the system is the same as it used to be before this new Constitution came into force. During the early days, there was also a provision to recommend that this person should not hold a public office anymore. It was not only surcharging. That, more...

What is your point of order, Hon. Wanyonyi Ferdinand? Give him the microphone. Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi (Kwanza, FORD – K) : I just want to inform my colleague. I need to be on record that we have… Do you want to inform him? Hon. Ferdinand Wanyonyi (Kwanza, FORD – K)...

As the National Assembly, you hold the purse. A

Hon. Emmanuel Wangwe, proceed.

Hon. Baya.

Is the CEO of the Child Welfare Society of Kenya in the Financial Year 2015/2016 still holding office? I will be surprised if the CEO of the National Cancer Institute of Kenya who was there in 2019 is still around. He is not.

Hang on, I want to enrich what you have said. Is the CEO of the NSSF in 2021 still around? He is not. The same goes for the CEO who was there in 2017. That is a good eight years ago. So, it goes both ways. Parliament also has a...

Hon. Mwenje, you make a lot of sense. But in this case, Standing Order 209 states that:

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Hon. Bady Bady.

What is your point of order, Hon. Chiforomodo? Sawa Mhe. Kassim. Pole.

He said angemmaliza. It means to kill. Withdraw that immediately, please. We do not take the law in our hands in a law-making institution—the National Assembly of the Republic of Kenya. Yes, Proceed. Withdraw and apologise. You have the microphone. Umeomba msamaha?

Hon. Bisau

Order, Hon. Members. Hon. Bissau, when this Debate resumes, you will have eight minutes. Hon. Members, please keep standing. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 7 p.m., this House stands adjourned until Wednesday, the 8th of October, at 9.30 a.m. The House rose at 7.00 p.m. APublished by Clerk of...

Yes, Hon. Bowen.

Hon. Bowen.

Hon. Komingoi, do you know we still have three other clauses? And I am told you are a Member of the Committee.