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Proceed, Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to respond to the three sub-questions together as follows. As indicated, the Technical and Vocational Education and Training Authority (TVETA) found that while KIM was accredited to offer Technical and Vocational...

Very well. Let us have Hon. Bedzimba.

Kabla Waziri hajajibu, huwezi kuchanganya Kiswahili na Kiingereza. Ulisema, "Mpaka appeal hiyo itakapokamilika." Hiyo si sawa. Unapaswa kusema, "Mpaka rufaa hiyo itakapokamilika." Waziri, endelea, The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : I am in total agreement with the Hon. Member that the certificates issued between 2018 and the...

Cabinet Secretary, I suggest you take a few more questions and then answer them together. Is anyone else interested in this matter? Yes! The Member for Magarini. Uliza swali lako.

Swali la tatu litaulizwa na Mhe. Osero.

Cabinet Secretary, you may answer those three questions, and then we shall take one final round on this matter. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Speaker. The TVET Act was passed in 2013 and came into operation in 2015. Institutions that were operating as...

Order, Hon. Members. Has the answer covered the three questions that were asked?

Cabinet Secretary, please, answer Hon. Kenneth’s question. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : I actually answered it. He had asked what would happen if the appeal did not succeed. You are right. You answered it. You have properly covered it. Member for Teso South, proceed.

I will take one more question, and then we will go to the next Question. Questioner, please proceed.

Hon. Mishi Mboko. Just a moment. Let us first have Question7/2026 by Hon. Robert Mbui.

Why are you sure that he is on his way? This Question is deferred to a later date. (Question 7/2026 deferred) Proceed, Hon. Mishi Mboko. Question 8/2026 SHORTAGE OF TEACHERS IN LIKONI CONSTITUENCY

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The Ministry and the TSC remain committed to ensuring that all public learning institutions are adequately staffed to support effective curriculum implementation and quality learning outcomes. In addressing the concerns raised regarding teacher shortages...

Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Hon. Jematiah.

Is that Member for Chesumei? Do not look back. Hon. Maungu, proceed.

Member for Funyula.

Daktari, you have made your point. Do not do an over-kill. Let us have the last one by the Member for Magarini. Ask a question for God’s sake. Do not give a speech.

That is the last one on this Question. Cabinet Secretary, proceed to answer those questions. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. In terms of ensuring that we have affirmative action with respect to employment of teachers in marginalised areas, the staffing norms...

Cabinet Secretary. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr. Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. The promotion of teachers in public service is premised on the provisions of the Code of Regulations for teachers, career progression guidelines for teachers, and the policy on selection and appointment of institutional administrators....

That was a very elaborate answer. You gave it justice. Answer that final question and then we call it a day. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : I have been informed that there are no salary arrears for P1 teachers. Okay. Member for Magarini.

Member for Funyula, are you sure your question is not related to promotion?

Member for Funyula, that is a specific case. The best way to do justice to it, including what the Member for Magarini has asked, is to ask a specific question. For example, why has a particular teacher from my constituency stagnated in one position for long? A general question will...

Order, Hon. Rindikiri. I will go back to what I said earlier. Unless you are able to identify names of specific teachers and officers who have been overlooked for promotion over the years, it becomes difficult to obtain meaningful answers. Asking a supplementary question to a general question will not...

Very well. Point taken. My suggestion is that although the TSC largely functions independently from the Ministry, it is not absolutely independent. Still, the Ministry oversees the TSC. Still, the Cabinet Secretary for Education is the one who appears before Parliament. You can ask a question that is supposed to...

Cabinet Secretary, proceed to answer the Question. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I beg to respond to the three questions together. Section 10 (2) (g) of the Kenya National Examinations Council Act, 2012 outlines one of the functions of KNEC as...

Cabinet Secretary, we previously had the Cambridge School Certificate, which was replaced by the East African Certificate of Education (EACE) , which was subsequently replaced by the Kenya Certificate of Education. We also had the Ordinary Level (O-Level) and the Advanced Level (A-Level) education. To qualify for university, you only...

Hon. Members, I do not want the Cabinet Secretary to go into areas he has not prepared for. You may answer the questions now or undertake to respond to them later when you are fully prepared. Let us take one more question. Hon. Rashid Bedzimba, ask your final question.

Cabinet Secretary, this question was not listed or filed formally. However, you may proceed if you can respond. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : I have visited some of the schools he has mentioned. They are very good schools. They should not lack registration. Please, provide us...

Cabinet Secretary, on the matter raised by Hon. Rindikiri, if you choose to go back, he can also come to your office for consultation. Hon. Rindikiri, the Cabinet Secretary will sort it out for you. Let us have Hon. Dorothy Muthoni, the Women Rep for Meru. Am I right?

Nominated Member, Hon. Muthoni.

You can respond to that one. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Mr Julius Ogamba) : I addressed that question. There is a policy that says learners should be in school by 7.30 a.m. and go back home by 5.00 Hon. Dorothy, as I said earlier, it would help a lot...

Absolutely. Minister, take note of that suggestion. When you are ready, you will communicate to the leadership of Parliament and the Speaker will facilitate a Kamukunji. What I have learned is that when you pick up a phone and say in this and that school you have seen children in...

Hon. Speaker, I was also a student at the University of Nairobi. I want to encourage the students from the university, particularly those pursuing governance-related programs, to view this opportunity as serious business. In the developed world, people who study Political Science… (Hon. David Gikaria and other Members consulted loudly)...

Ni nani anayechangia Hoja hii? Ni Mhe. Irene Mayaka. Je, yupo na amebakisha dakika ngapi? (Loud consultations)

Haya, rudia. UKAGUZI WA ASASI ZA JUMUIYA YA AFRIKA MASHARIKI Mtoahoja anayehitimisha Hoja hii ni Mhe. Irene Mayaka.

Hongera kwa Mhe. Irene Mayaka kwa kuendeleza Hoja hii kwa lugha yetu ya kitaifa. Mimi sasa nikiwa nimethibitisha kwamba kuna akidi kwa minajili ya Bunge kufanya uamuzi, naitoa Hoja iamuliwe. (Question put and agreed to) Leo natafakari kwamba nimeweza kuhitimisha Hoja hii kwa lugha yetu ya taifa, Kiswahili. Tuendelee na...

The Member of Parliament for Molo.

Hon. Wandeto, do you want to communicate or contribute to this Bill? Proceed.

Hon. Mayaka.

Hon. Bisau.

Hon. Ochieng David.

For clarity, we already have laws that protect domestic industries. Previously, to qualify as a locally produced product and benefit from preferential ratings, including minimal or zero tariffs, a product needed about 37 per cent local content, including labour. In this Bill, unless amendments are made, it appears that foreign...

Institutions such as the Kenya Bureau of Standards must remain vigilant because as you put it, and I am conscious about what you are saying, such practices occur frequently. Even under AGOA, the intention was to develop the domestic industry and enable local producers to benefit from tax incentives in...

Excellent. Before proceeding to the next speaker, I wish to welcome students from the Mombasa Aviation Institute, who are in the Public Gallery, from Mvita Constituency, Mombasa. I encourage Members from the coastal region to welcome these progressive and ambitious young men and women from the Mombasa Aviation Training Institute....

Hon. Mwashako.

Fair enough. Hon. Fatuma, Full Network, would you also want to do the same? I thought you would also speak Kiswahili. (Hon. Fatuma Mohammed spoke off the record) No. Let us first finish with the students. Member for West Mugirango, Hon. Mogaka, itakuwa bora zaidi ukizungumza Kiswahili. Endelea. Mhe. Stephen...

Fair enough. I think that does it for the students from Mombasa. (Hon. Bisau Kakai raised his hand) Mheshimiwa Bisau, basi ongea Kiswahili tukuskie vile utakavyowahimiza wanafunzi ili wafanye mambo mengi mazuri. Endelea.

Mhe. Fatuma, pia wewe ungependa kuchangia jambo hili la wanafunzi?

Nafikiri tumefika kikomo cha kuwakaribisha wanafunzi wa Mombasa Aviation Training Institute. Sasa ninampa Mhe. Mutunga, fursa hii ili naye auchangie Mswada tulio nayo.

Let us have Hon. Esther Passaris, then Hon. Mnyazi.

Hon. Amina Mnyazi, endelea pia wewe uchangie huu Mswada.

Mhe. Fatuma, kisha Mhe. Rozaah Buyu, kisha Mhe. Mwashako. Msimu huu unaonekana ni wa wanawake, bwana. Endelea.

If you spend as little time as possible without repeating what has already been said, we will accommodate every Hon. Member who is interested in contributing. I have noticed there is a lot of interest in the Bill. Hon. Rozaah, proceed. I know you are very precise, concise and you...

Hon. Mwashako, then Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Next is Hon. Naomi Waqo, followed by the Member for Kaiti. (Laughter)

That is very kind of you. Hon. Kimilu, followed by Hon. Kombe and if there is still time, the Member from Nyamira. Proceed.

What is your point of order, Hon. Naomi?

Oh my God. Hon. Kimilu, do you remember when I mispronounced your name as Kimuli and it was something else? (Laughter)

Hon. Kombe.

Order, Hon. Owen. Hon. Kombe is on the Floor and we only have a minute. You should have been in the House and whipped Members of Parliament to take the time they took. There is the lady who wants to reply and she has a whole message to reply. Proceed,...

What is your point of order?

Request denied. Proceed, Hon. Kombe.

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Before Hon. Ochanda contributes, I want to recognise the presence of students in the Public Gallery. (Hon. John Koyi and other Members consulted loudly) Order, Hon. Waluke and company! You cannot turn this place into some kind of camel market. Should I say a camel market instead of a fish...

So that the girls in the Public Gallery from DEB Ontulili Primary School can also feel encouraged, I will ask Hon. Mnyazi Amina to encourage them in Kiswahili.

Thank you. Next is Hon. Ochanda, followed by Hon. Rachael Nyamai.

Hon. Nyamai, this is just to underscore what you have said. I went to the Administration Police Lines in Garissa not too long ago, and I saw the room which my father lived in as a Corporal. As a family of four, we lived in that one small room that...

Hon. Amina Mnyazi. Unaweza kuongea kwa kutumia lugha ya Taifa. Ni jambo la fahari.

Hon. Mishi Mboko, do you have some papers to lay?

The next one. Do we have the Chairperson for the Departmental Committee on Trade, Industry and Cooperatives? You also have papers to lay. Proceed, Hon. Marianne.

The Chairperson of the Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education. Hon. Mwenje, proceed. You have some papers to lay.

Fair enough. I do not know if the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is present. Hon. Mishi Mboko, the Order Paper has a matter in which you have to lay some papers. You were the leader of the delegation to the United States of America. But this is...

Fair enough. We have only one Question, and the Member who had filed it has requested for it to be deferred to another date. Next Order. Chairperson, Public Investments Committee on Governance and Education. NOTICES OF MOTIONS ADOPTION OF REPORT ON AUDITED ACCOUNTS OF INSTITUTIONS OF HIGHER LEARNING

I can see that the Chairperson of the Budget and Appropriations Committee has not laid the papers on the Table; and under these circumstances, he cannot give notice of Motion. The same also applies to Hon. Mboko. She is supposed to give notice of Motion. She has left. I was...

Fair enough. Next Order. There is only one Question, and I understand the Questioner did seek the indulgence of the Chair to defer to another date, and it is so directed. Next Order. Chairperson of the Committee on Delegated Legislation should still take the Floor. APPROVAL OF PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT...

Hon. Sunkuli, proceed.

Hon. Kaluma, take a seat. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, is this list a true reflection of the ones who want to contribute? Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Fair enough. Is the Member for Bureti, Hon. Komingoi present? What about Hon. KJ, John Kiarie? Hon. KJ, did you forget your full name?

Member for Malindi is actually in the House but probably, does not want to contribute. Do you want to?

Member for Nyando, you and I have some unfinished business.

Just for the interest of the Chair, you said we consolidate all these bursaries and make secondary education free in the country. That is all the money set aside for bursaries, and you are talking about the NG-CDF, Ward Fund, and governors' bursaries.

What about tertiary and university education? If bursaries are done away with and all those resources go into secondary education, then what happens to poor students who cannot afford to go through tertiary and university education? By then, all the NG-CDF and all these bursaries should be consolidated into one...

Eight. Nobody pays any fees. I have sponsored all of them through the NG-CDF.

I am also sponsoring 350 students in tertiary institutions and universities. The least each student receives is Ksh40,000. So, where are you taking the money?

Order, Hon. Ngusya! That is not a point of order. It is a point of information, but proceed.

Hon. David Ochieng’. Is he in? Member for Kangundo, followed by Hon. David Ochieng’. After that, I will call on the Mover to reply.

Hon. David Ochieng’.

I do not see any more interest in this. Is that Hon. Bedzimba?

Hon. Members, this Bill has a time limit. I am going to give a chance to only a few Members, Hon. Kiamba, Member of Parliament for Makueni, the gracious lady from Narok, Hon. Ngusya, Hon. Karemba, and the lady from Samburu. I hope I am right. Please, take two minutes...

Hon. Pareyio, followed by Hon. Ngusya.

Hon. Karemba.

The Member for Samburu County.

Not only that, some schools have three or four teachers for eight classrooms, while in other parts of the country, some teachers take only two lessons a week. That needs to be addressed so that every child receives an equal opportunity. We do not have that right now. Under the...

Let us hear the Leader of the Majority Party. (Loud consultations)

Let us hear the Member for Saku.

Proceed, Hon. Kaluma.

Hon. Ochanda.

Member for Kajiado West, followed by Hon. Mayaka. I think you can make a very comprehensive presentation in even three minutes so as to give more opportunities to more Members of Parliament.

Next is Madam Mayaka, who will be followed by Hon. Rindikiri. As I put it, create opportunity for your colleagues to also speak on this Motion by taking a few minutes.

Hon. Rindikiri, then the Member for Kesses.

Order, Hon. Kimani. I know you, being a brilliant finance person, have your notes. We have some basic rules of the House. First of all, move the Motion verbatim as it is in the Order Paper. Once you have moved it, you can then add all the additional notes, logical...

Order, Hon. Ngogoyo. When I look at the screen here, my presumption is that you really wanted to contribute to this matter. But I only see you talking across the aisle. You should communicate through the Chair. In any case, for God’s sake, if you have some good ideas about...

Give him an additional two minutes just to wrap it up.

Order, Leader of the Majority Party. If it were not for politics, you would not be addressing this House. There is good and bad politics. Please make the distinction and proceed.

Proceed, Hon. Kimani.

Hon. Members, every Member now has five minutes to contribute to this. Hon. Murugara.

Member for Yatta.

Hon. Phylis Bartoo, followed by Hon. Nyoro. Hon. Bartoo, are you in the Chamber?

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Although I am not an ex officio Member of this House, I would have loved to be on the other side to rebut many of the things that have been said. Infrastructure development is ongoing in this country, but only in your regions, not in my region or in the...

Hon. Mbui, Member of Parliament for Kathiani Constituency.

Order. Order, Hon. Members. Order. You are now debating, and, in any case, as you put it… (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record) Order. You know, I miss those old days when I was a Deputy Speaker, and I used to throw Members out of this place, including ministers....

What is your point of order?

Order, Hon Mbui. Hon. Ichung’wah is on a point of order. Allow him to raise his point.

Order, Hon. Kaguchia and

Hon. Kombe Harrison. (Several Members raised their hands) All Members will get time to contribute. (Hon. Onesmus Ngogoyo raised his hand) Do not worry, Hon. Ngogoyo. Hon. Naomi Waqo is next, followed by Hon. Kaguchia. Proceed, Hon. Kombe.

Order, Hon. Kaguchia.

The issue raised by Hon. Kaguchia has been addressed by the Chair. Hon. Kaguchia is out of order. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah spoke off the record) Mhe. Harrison Kombe (Magarini, ODM) : Mhe. Spika wa Muda, nimesema wengine, sijasema ni mimi. Kwa upande wangu, nimeweza kupata kilomita 68 za lami, na...

Do you wish to be informed by Hon. Caroli Omondi? Mhe. Harrison Kombe (Magarini, ODM) : Wacha alete tu, bora awe ameelewa kile nazungumzia. Inform him, Hon. Omondi.

Fair enough. Mhe. Harrison Kombe (Magarini, ODM) : Mhe. Spika wa Muda, Mhe. Caroli amenipotezea wakati wangu. (Kicheko) Mhe. Spika wa Muda, tunaujadili Mswada huu sasa, kisha utafika wakati wa kufanya mabadiliko, ndipo utapata fursa ya kuweka yale yako unayoyaona yanafaa. Spika wa Muda (Mhe. Farah Maalim) : Muongezee dakika...

Order! The Equalisation Fund is

Order! Proceed, Hon. Waqo and conclude.

Hon. Mboni. Hon. (Dr) Makali, the most commercially viable areas in this country today are the arid and semi-arid areas, both on land and for minerals. For your information, these are not the days of just coffee and tea. Things have changed. Proceed, Hon. Mboni.

Order! Hon. Jackson Kosgei, you have three minutes, and we will then adjourn the House.

The Chair will ensure that Hon. Oundo, followed by Hon. Ngogoyo, Hon. Kaguchia and Hon. Makali are given priority in that order when debate resumes. Hon. Wa Muthende, the Member for Njoro, and the Member for Nyeri Town, Hon. Mathenge, will also follow in that order. The Hansard will reflect...

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Proceed, Hon. Irene.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Tindi Mwale. Okay, Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Hon. Kwenya Thuku.

Order! Are you talking from a point of knowledge or practice? If it is practice, we are not qualified for that. If you are saying that he is misleading the House, then that point was not discussed.

Order. Do you have information as to what exactly has transpired within that framework of discussion? If you do not have information, but you are saying that Hon. Kwenya is misleading the House, then you can give your point of argument at the appropriate time. You are looking at the...

Hon. Omboko Milemba.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi.

Next is the Member for Nairobi City County, Hon. Esther Passaris.

Hon. Raso Dido.

Hon. Basil Robert, followed by Hon. Ndindi.

Hon. Ndindi.

I will give you more time. The reason Japan’s Government debt is not as dangerous as ours is that it is not borrowing from outside. It is doing domestic borrowing. At the same time, you find fault with domestic borrowing here because you say external borrowing would have been cheaper....

Except that you are saying the USA borrows heavily from Japan., yet the USA's debt-to-GDP ratio is over 100 per cent. Over 100 per cent of its GDP. I am trying to connect the dots. On the one hand, Japan borrows domestically and lends externally, including to the USA. So,...

Order, Hon. Wilberforce. You cannot have a point of order on a point of order. Hon. Onchoke.

Hon. Caroli Omondi.

Hon. Wandeto.

This discussion is very academic and clearly so, but also very interesting. The United States only borrows about 3 per cent of its total debt. I want Hon. Ndindi Nyoro to hear this. The US only borrows 3 per cent of its total debt, which stands at US$36 trillion from...

Proceed, Hon. Wandeto.

What did he say?

What is he guilty of?

Hon. (Dr) Mutunga.

Hon. Dorothy Muthoni.

Fair enough. You want the debating time allotted for every Member to be five minutes instead of 10minutes? Any other Member who is willing to weigh in on that? Yes, Hon. Makilap, are you supporting or opposing.

Any other Member who wants to weigh in on that. Yes Hon. Member for Luanda.

Fair enough. Hon. Dr Gogo, before I put the question

Fair enough. (Question, that debating time be reduced to five minutes, put and agreed to) Yes, Hon. Makilap.

Member for Yatta.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo, did you put in your card for the sake of it or did you seriously want to contribute?

Let us have the Member of Parliament for Nandi Hills. He will be followed by the Member for Luanda.

The Member of Parliament for Luanda.

Let us have the Member for Turkana East, Hon. Emaase Mary, Hon. Dawood and Member for Nyando to contribute in that order.

Hon. Emaase Mary.

Member for Nyando.

Member for Nyando, one second. I want to recognise the presence of pupils from Anthena Primary School, Mavoko Constituency, Machakos County. You can rise up.(Applause)

Order. Do not hijack. The Member behind you, also from Ukambani, would you want to say a word of encouragement to the young boys and girls?

Member for Nyando, proceed with your contribution now.

Hon. Dawood, Member for North Imenti.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi, followed by Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Order, Hon. Members. The Temporary Speaker has lots of considerations. There is a lot of distribution on the basis of gender, regions, and all other persuasions. So, when he decides, it is based on the best of intentions. Proceed, Hon. Member. I will make sure you all get an opportunity.

Hon. Nyoro Ndindi.

Hon. Nzengu Paul, you have limited time.

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Next is Hon. KJ.

Let us hear Hon. Raso.

Next is Hon. Zamzam.

Leader of the Majority Party.

Next is Hon. Gladys Shollei.

Hon. Nzengu, the mover is supposed to reply shortly. The Chair also has a duty to protect the minority who want to be heard. Proceed, Hon. Shollei.

Are you on a point of order or a point of information? Yes, what is your point of order?

Order, Hon. KJ. You are taking valuable time from the Deputy Speaker. The Chair has pronounced himself on the same. Thank you.

Hon. Bowen.

Hon. Wamuchomba, followed by the Member for Yatta Constituency.

Rest assured, you have the full and undivided support of the Chair, and 110 per cent support from the Speaker of the Kenya National Assembly and his deputy. The value system in this country and families must be protected. I assure you, anyone who sits in this Chair will be...

Where is the mover of this Motion? (Hon. Muchangi Karemba raised his hand) (Hon. John Kiarie spoke off the record) Actually, we had allotted one hour, and I think we have already spent it. (Hon. Shakeel Shabir spoke off the record) Okay, you have two minutes and then the Mover...

The mover to reply.

Proceed, Hon. Janet Sitienei.

Mover.

Hon. Members, we are now moving to the Motion of Adjournment. I now call upon the Member for Wajir West, Hon. Yussuf Farah, to move the Motion on a definite matter of urgent national importance to discuss the drought situation in northern Kenya. Proceed. MOTION OF ADJOURNMENT ON A MATTER...

Hon. KJ and the Member for Manyatta, we have a Motion of adjournment to deliberate on the effects of drought in the country. The livelihoods of millions of Kenyans are affected. The least I expect from the House is to listen in silence and participate well. Proceed.

Order, Members! Order, Member of Parliament for Runyenjes! Hon. Dekow, I thought you also come from an area where the effects of drought are devastating to some of your constituents.

Member for Garissa Township. Please give Hon. Dekow the microphone.

Hon. Guyo Jaldesa, followed by Hon. Saney. Every Member has five minutes.

Do you wish to be informed?

Okay, proceed and inform him.

Order! You will have your moment. This is not a moment for you to debate. If it is a point of information, it is a lapse on the part of the Member who was on the Floor, and you help him. Proceed, Prof. Guyo.

Give the microphone to Hon. Saney.

Hon. Naomi Waqo.

Member for Wajir South.

Member for Kajiado North. Give Hon. Ngogoyo the microphone. He will then be followed by the Member for Tarbaj, the Member for Dagoretti and the Member for Manyatta.

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I thank the Mover of this Motion very much and all the Members who have contributed, the Member for Kajiado North included. We have a problem. It is not for lack of the... (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah consulted with Hon. Gitonga Mukunji and Hon John Kiarie) I want...

The Member for Manyatta should not keep you busy. It is not for lack of...

Yes, inform me.

Thank you for the information. (Hon. Gitonga Mukunji raised his hand) Member for Manyatta, you will have your moment. Let me take my moment. We will give you a chance, Member for Manyatta. Leader of the Majority Party, it is not for lack of goodwill from the government to try...