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The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kirinyaga Central.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng') Hon. Jalang’o, do not be fooled; he does not speak for ODM. Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I cannot see the Member for Mandera West and the Member for Kitui East. Where did they go? The Member for Marakwet West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon Members, the time allotted for this Motion is spent. I, therefore, call upon the Mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kodhe, you have five minutes. Therefore, indicate how much time you are donating to Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That means that when they finish, you will not say a thing.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will not have any minute left. Go ahead, Hon. Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Who was next?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Amisi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! Who is Hon. ‘Jalas’?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Amisi, your time is up. You actually only had one minute. Hon. Jalang’o, you have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon Member, when you are replying, say you beg to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon Members, we will not put the Question on that particular Motion for obvious reasons. I, therefore, call for the next Order. 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 21 DEVELOPMENT AND IMPLEMENTATION OF A PROGRAMME FOR VOLUNTARY REGULARISATION OF LAND OCCUPIED BY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is what he did. The Motion is his and he has done the right thing. He has presented the Motion and he is moving it. That is how it is done. Resume your seat Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead Hon. Mwenje. Do not allow Hon. Kirima to keep misleading you. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He cannot be allowed to bully you at all. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) A few more seconds, Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Maungu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. (Question proposed) The first person to have a bite at this cherry would be the Member for Central Imenti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kanduyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming pupils from Suswa Lerai School, Narok East Constituency, Narok County; and students from Mumtaz Academy, Matuga Constituency, Kwale County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this morning and afternoon. The next chance goes to the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Member for Likoni. Commissioner, you can use the microphone right in front of you or the one next to you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Aldai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Members, I wish to recognise, in the Speaker’s Gallery, pupils from Kwakulu Primary School. Hon. Eckomas, how does one read this name? Is it Kwakulu or Kwakyulu? Kwakulu Primary School from Yatta in Machakos County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Kwakulu Primary School from Yatta in Machakos County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Isiolo County. I am aware that she does not have a card. 16th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done. Member for Westlands, Hon. Tim Wanyonyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kibwezi West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Member for Roysambu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Let us have Hon. Chonga. Member for Kilifi South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Ten seconds. Ken Chonga (Kilifi South, ODM) : There are people who are genuinely suffering because of land that rightfully and legally belongs to them. There is need, therefore, to support this Motion and, if possible, escalate it further to a Bill. The Temporary...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Honourable, you shall not call the Chair from your seat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This seems to be an issue for Members from Nairobi County. I will give this chance to the Member for Starehe.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow me to recognise, in the Public Gallery, pupils from the following schools: Bright Future Academy, Lari, Kiambu County; and Chepketeret Primary School, Keiyo South, Elgeyo Marakwet County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings this afternoon. Member for Kibra, two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kagiri. The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jane Kagiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mwenje, this is your chance to reply because the time for the Motion is spent.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chiforomodo will get a minute, but next time he puts his card he should be in the House. We called his name earlier and he was not in. Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chiforomodo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Hon. Members, the Motion is well spent and the Question will be put the next time this matter is scheduled on the Order Paper. (Putting of the Question deferred) ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Before I give the next contributor an opportunity, I would like to recognise the presence of students of Olooltoto Boarding Primary School from Narok North Constituency, Narok County in the Public Gallery; and Karua Primary School from Laikipia East Constituency,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Busia County, Hon. Catherine Omanyo. 9th August 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gilgil.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Abdul Haro, Member for Mandera South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Andrew Okuome of Karachuonyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Shakeel Shabbir of Kisumu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member of Parliament for Samburu East, Hon. Lekumontare.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Fatuma Mohammed of Migori.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Tindi Mwale, my board shows that Hon. Fatuma was ahead of you in terms of logging in and asking for time. Just bide for your time. Go ahead, Hon. Fatuma.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. I wish to recognise the following students in the Public Gallery: Pupils from Mangoto Primary School from Maragwa Constituency in Murang’a County; and students from Kituro High School from Baringo Central Constituency, Baringo County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Samburu County, Hon. Lenguris.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a Member whose card is not working. I have been told she was among the first people to be here. If your card is not working, it is good to let the Clerks-at-the-Table know. That chance is yours now. (Hon. Mugambi Rindikiri,...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I wish to recognise pupils of ACK Mukangu Primary School from Manyatta Constituency, Embu County; and Mutumu Boarding Primary School from Maara Constituency, Tharaka-Nithi County, seated in the Public Gallery. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this Morning....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Manyatta, we had a Motion that you are debating. You are completely out of order. Next time you are given a chance, debate the Motion on the Floor not your own Motion. Your time is spent. You had only a minute....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) These are Hon. Members. So you call them Hon. Naomi and Hon. Farah. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, one-and-a-half minutes please.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon.Farah.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Brighton, remember you only have one minute left before you proceed. You thought you had eight minutes when you only had five. I wish to recognise, in the Speaker's Gallery, students from St. Vincent De Paul Boys Primary School in Kitutu South, Kisii...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you. Hon Members, the time for this Motion is spent, and the Question will be put at the next available time for a decision. We now move to Order No.15. NATIONAL POLICY ON DEWORMING OF SCHOOL-GOING CHILDREN The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng')...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ikiara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Points of order are asked for using a very simple process. You press the intervention button then I will see you. I cannot see you. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Where is the Member for Mogotio? (Hon. Kiborek Reuben stood in his place) I will give this chance to the Member who was on the Floor of the House to finish her contribution and second the Motion. Then we will deal with the Member...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Before I propose the Motion for debate, Member for Mogotio, the Hon. Speaker made a Communication regarding dress code sometime in March this year. I would like to read for you part of what the Speaker communicated. The Speaker communicated...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Buuri, we wish to join you in welcoming pupils from the Catholic Church Mission, Mitoone Primary School, Buuri Constituency, Meru County. Take your seat, Member for Buuri. We have students from Kinyach Primary School, Baringo North Constituency, Baringo County; Father Martin Boyle...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Naomi Waqo, Member for Marsabit County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. Member for Igembe North, Hon. Taitumu

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Join me in welcoming students of Mbauini Secondary School, Lari Constituency, Kiambu County. They are welcomed to follow our Proceedings this Afternoon. Member for Mombasa, Hon. Zamzam Chimba.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Very well said, such a graphic description of the worms and how they affect the body. This chance goes to the Member for Turkana, Hon. Cicilia Ngitit.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng) Give her one minute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Members, join me in welcoming students from Githure Primary School, Gichugu Constituency in Kirinyaga County and pupils from Kiamanyeki Primary School from Mwea Constituency, Kirinyaga County. They are welcome to follow our proceedings this afternoon. The Member for Samburu, Hon. Pauline...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have Hon. Jackson Kosgei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Mumias East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Member for Embu County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Before the Member for Kwale takes the chance, let me recognise and welcome pupils from Aiyebo Primary school, Baringo North Constituency in Baringo County; Karunga Primary School, Gilgil, Nakuru County; and and students from Nzukini Secondary School, Masinga Constituency, Machakos County. They are welcome...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Asante sana, Mhe. Fatuma Masito. Hon. Members, the Mover of this Motion will be called upon to reply the next time it is slotted in the Order Paper. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

Hon. David Ochieng’ (Ugenya, MDG) Thank you very much, Hon. Speaker. I just want to pick from where Hon. Junet has left. It is like people have left the country on its own. Anything goes on in this country. Anybody can walk from anywhere to this country, do anything and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. David Kiplagat.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) What is out of Order? Order. Order Members. Points of order nowadays are done through intervention, not through howling at your seat. If I see an intervention here, I will know.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Order. Hon. Ruku GK what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. David Kiplagat. Before I propose the Motion for debate, I wish to recognise pupils from the following schools: Komotobo Secondary School from Kuria East in Migori County; Kinungi Primary School from Naivasha in Nakuru County; Kakenya Centre of Excellence from Kilgoris...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Listening to the Chairman of the Committee and the Seconder of the Motion, you hear undertones of something wrongly done. But, you do not see it in the recommendations. This chance goes to Hon. Rindikiri Mugambi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Chesumei. (Hon. Ruku GK raised his hand) Hon. Ruku, I request that you be patient enough and wait for your turn. Let us have the Member for Siaya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, I am trying to follow the list and I cannot see some Members. The Member for Turkana County, Hon. Cecilia Ngitit. I thought I saw her in the House. Hon. Irene Mayaka. Okay, let us have Hon. Ruku.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Member for Busia.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Hon. Julius Sunkuli.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Suba South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Mosop Constituency. Hon. Mutunga, you will have a chance to speak when you reply. That is my determination on that matter. You will have a chance to reply to all the issues that have been raised so, the best thing...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Kabondo Kasipul.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Turkana East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Member. I thought you were asking for a chance to contribute to the Motion. What do you want to do? (Hon. Nicholas Ng’ikor spoke off-record) The Motion for Adjournment will be considered from 5.30 p.m. This chance goes to Hon. Ng’elechei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) There is a Motion on the Floor that the Mover be now called upon to reply. That decision has to be made by the Members. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mutunga, you are in order, but this is a House of rules and procedures. On this particular matter, I had already given a chance to the Member for Busia County but she forwent. I also called out Hon. Mayaka but she was not...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Motion deferred)Thank you so much. Hon. Members, I wish to communicate that the reply to this Motion will be done in the next sitting. Let us move to the next Order, which as you know, was supposed to start at 5.30 p.m. That is the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Turkana County, Hon. Cecilia Ngitit.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga, the point is well taken. However, the Member also availed himself under the Standing Orders of the House. He does not extinguish his rights to bring a question. He also has the right, using our Standing Orders, to bring the Motion of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I wish to recognise the presence of the following schools in the Speaker’s Gallery: Lorna Laboso Secondary School, Sotik Constituency, Bomet County and Genesis Secondary School, Kapenguria Constituency, West Pokot County. We welcome the students to follow the proceeding of the House...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochien’g) Hon. Paul Biego, Member for Chesumei.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I wish the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Administration and Internal Affairs was in the House today because this is a very valid Motion. They should be informed accordingly. Hon. Irene Mayaka.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) That is your chance to…

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, if you ask to speak, you should look at your microphones. They are there so that you can see them and speak. Hon. Mathenge.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Duncan Mathenge, you probably know that under the rules we changed, independent commissions answer questions at the committee level. All the commissions in this country are supposed to direct their answers to questions to the relevant committees.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have Hon. John Koyi. 5th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 11

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Omboko Milemba, Hon. John Koyi has just decided that your point of order was not necessary. (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Seme, proceed with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order! I am seeing everyone looking at me. I have given an opportunity to seven Members on my right side and not a single Member on my left side since we started this debate. So, relax. We are a House that has a Majority...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Nyikal. The Member for Kabuchai.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri was way ahead. He just did not have a card. 5th July 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 15

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Rindikiri, go on with your debate.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Melly, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Melly! He has said the only thing he sees, so you cannot claim to be seeing for him.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is the Member for Kitui South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Lari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tigania West Constituency, Hon. Mutunga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Mutunga, I would wish so too. Two Members have already approached me about it here. Hon. Mutunga, who has been in Parliament for two terms should know the rules. I would also wish that way. However, we have done this before. Where there...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chairperson, you are doing very well, but your time is almost up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawaya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Hon. Kawaya will be heard.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He already seconded when he started, but you can give him the microphone for the sake of Hon. Mbadi. Give him the microphone briefly so that he seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon David Ochieng’) Thank you very much, Hon. Musyoka. Hon Members, before I do the needful, I wish to recognise in the Public Gallery, the presence of Ongata Royal Academy from Kajiado North Constituency in Kajiado; and Students from Ndurarua High School from Dagoretti North in Nairobi...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, I do not intend to interrupt you at all, but the Order Paper that you have has the schedules. 21st June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 38

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Hon. John Mbadi. 21st June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order? Hon. Mbadi, please take your seat. There is a point of order.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Hon. Mbadi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you very much. I just need to advise you. We make very good recommendations in our contributions. I wish we could follow them with proper laws. All of us agree that we need to discipline Article 223 of the Constitution. Why not do...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Next is Hon. Pukose.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of order, Hon. Chepkonga? (Hon. Pukose spoke off-record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You shall prosecute your point of order without being disturbed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga you are on a point of order but you are anticipating debate. Move your motion.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that the mood of the House that I call upon the Mover to reply? (Loud consultations) 21st June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 43

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Rangwe, you are totally out of order! (Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo rose in her place) Hon. Ndindi, take your seat. (Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo consulted loudly) Member for Rangwe, you are out of order! Order, Member for Rangwe! I order that the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You will not go on until the Member for Rangwe leaves the House. Serjeant-at-Arms, I have said that the Member for Rangwe leaves the House so that we can proceed with business. (Hon. (Dr) Lilian Gogo withdrew from the Chamber) (Applause)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do we have the numbers, Clerks- at-the-Table?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, having confirmed that we have the requisite numbers, I proceed to put the Question. (Question put and agreed to)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Baya?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order, Hon. Gikaria?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gikaria, take your seat. In this Session, I have not personally presided until today. Therefore, you are out of order completely. I can say without fear or favour that if you want to speak you know what to do. You will come to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ndindi, take your seat. This is how it is done. We reduce the speaking time after we have moved the Motion. Just before we start debate, anyone who wants to propose that we reduce the speaking time can do so after we have...

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Hon. Mwashako.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkonga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Wakili Muriu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Member, for clarity, how many minutes do you want each Member to be given?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members this is not a decision for me to make. It is yours because you are the ones going to contribute to this debate. (Question, that debating time be limited to four 21st June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 The Temporary Speaker (Hon....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Makali Mulu. 21st June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 49

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you for saving time. Hon. Nyikal.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Gakuya, if he is in the House. Hon. Marianne Kitany.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Member. Many Hon. Members who have put their cards here are not in the Chamber. Actually, I cannot see the first 10 on my list. So, I will go to the Member for Kilgoris.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng) Whip of the Minority Party.

The Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng)The Mheshimiwa for Manyatta.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Chepkong’a, what is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) He was on a point of order which we need to make a decision on. Hon. Members, on this, I do not have a vote. This is a decision to be made by you, Hon. Members. Hon. Chepkong’a has stood and claimed that the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Members. Order, Members on the walkway. Hon. Atandi, take your seat. Hon. Members, could you all take your seats? (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and negatived) Hon. Gitonga, you have a balance of 20 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I already said that I will follow this. Any suggestion that one side is... Since I sat here in the morning, I have given the Opposition side more chances to speak than the Government side because I am counting the minutes. I...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. James Gakuya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, as I said, I do not have a vote and the Standing Orders do not stop anybody from rising as many times as they want under Standing Order 95. So, is it the mood of the House that we call upon the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Are we voting on this? Hon. Members, I now put the Question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was read a Second Time and Committed to Committee of the whole House) THE EQUALIZATION FUND APPROPRIATION BILL The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Owen Baya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, it is your House and Hon. Baya has moved that under Standing Order 97. (Question, that debating time be limited to three minutes for each Hon. Member, put and agreed to) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Tinderet. 21st June...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, allow the Member who is contributing to contribute without interruption.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Alego Usonga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Laikipia East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kiunjuri, I do not think Kibra and Muthaiga are neighbours. Are they?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Marsabit County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Order, Hon. Elachi. Remember, it is four minutes. I intend to give six more Members. Do not worry about what you see on the board.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Let us have Hon. Ruweida.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Order, Members. I have just given four Members from this side an opportunity. Go ahead. 21st June 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 61

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Let us have Hon. Bidu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. King’ara, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) A good question by the Hon. (Dr) Pukose. How did the Hon. King’ara get the mood of the House? However, it is not for me to decide that question. It is for you to decide that question. The Hon. King’ara has risen on his...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) How do you ascertain that? By voting on it. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, please be upstanding. The time being 1.13 p.m., this House stands adjourned until this afternoon at 2.30

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Osoro, did you finish your contribution?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, go ahead. What is your point of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What is out of order? (Laughter)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Emurua Dikirr, I am sure you will have a chance to debate and be able to make that point. (Hon. Silvanus Osoro spoke off the record) Order, Hon. Osoro! Take your seat. No, it is not done like that. You do not...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Is that the Member for Mukurweini?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay, Hon. Gichohi. I will have my eyes on the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Health and ensure that he does the right thing. Hon. Osoro, go on.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Osoro, you shall proceed with your debate regardless of what the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Health does.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It should be known that we are discussing a Bill related to healthcare. We are not discussing lawyers’ fee. I direct you to proceed with your contribution the way it was going on before the interruptions.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance goes to the Member for Mandera South. He is the first on the requests list. I will not encourage Members to raise their hands. I have a list that I will follow. Do not raise your hand and do not come to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Uasin Gishu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Do you want to be informed by Hon. Osoro?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Funyula.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Oundo, there is a request by the Member for Uasin Gishu County to inform you. Do you want to be informed by her?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. You have to inform him in a minute because you have already contributed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Back to you, Hon. Oundo. I think you are winding up.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Dagoretti South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kipipiri Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Nyeri Town Constituency.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Naivasha Constituency, what is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Hon. Mathenge, explain to the Member for Naivasha what “Mafia House” means.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kihara, now you know.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Karachuonyo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Next is the Member for Narok North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Next is Hon. Makilap.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Naivasha.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Jayne Kihara, you have said that the Mover of this Bill was not called to appear before the Committee. Is it the factual position? Have you checked with the Mover?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It cannot happen. But proceed with your contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)(Technical hitch)Hon. Didmus Barasa, is it true that you did not get a chance to appear before the Departmental Committee on Health on this Bill? Do you have your card? Just put it in somewhere. Okay. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The issue is not whether you appeared or not. The issue is whether you were invited to appear before the Committee. Did you get any invitation?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. That is well noted. Go on, Hon. Kihara.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kigumo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Makueni. This Member is in the House!

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I called out the Member for Makueni, who I think to be you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kisumu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Shakeel you only have two minutes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, the debate on this Bill is done. The time allocated to it has lapsed. I have asked the Mover to reply the next time this Bill will be called out. Therefore, the Mover will reply next time the...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Hassan, Member for Kamukunji. We cannot see your card. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Debate on this Motion is now open and the first person to contribute is the Member of Parliament for Bureti, Hon. Kibet Komingoi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kisumu East, you want to contribute on this?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Shakeel, I will interrupt your presentation. (The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) spoke off record)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) When the Motion comes up next, you will have a balance of five minutes. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time being 1.00

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Allow her to move her amendment. She is moving an amendment, so allow her to do so. Go ahead, Hon. Kemei. You have the Floor.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, you realise that she has just… (Loud consultations)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Go ahead. Have you already seconded the amendment?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. I hope Members have the proposed amendment by the Member for Kericho County. (Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, I direct that we go on with debate on this matter the way it is. We cannot...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Elgeyo Marakwet.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Starehe.

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The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member, just to remind you that the Motion we are discussing has no video or anything to it. It seems every Member wants to talk about it; basically, the more you do it, the more you spread the video. This chance goes to...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Robi, the microphone next to you may work. Mhe. Mathias Robi (Kuria West, UDA) : Asante Mhe. Spika wa Muda kwa kunipatia nafasi hii ili pia niweze kuchangia hii Ripoti ambayo imeletwa katika Bunge hili. Ripoti hii ni nzuri sana katika nchi yetu...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Keep going and continue leading. Next is the Member of Parliament for Samburu East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Thank you. We will now have the Member of Parliament for Dagoretti North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Next is the Member of Parliament for Kamukunji.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well spoken. Member for Mbeere North. Members, take note that I am just holding this list. I am not in the mood of doing anything to fit in someone. I will just follow it. There are very few of us remaining. If you take...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. I hope ladies carry handkerchiefs too. This chance goes to the Member for Bureti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member for Baringo.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Teso South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Maybe it is time to also bite the bullet and report such matters to the police. You may not report some of these matters because you fear showing your face. Maybe, it is time to draw a red line and report the matter, so...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You have 30 seconds.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kajiado.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kangema.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay. Let us have the Member for Kaiti.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Lastly, the Member for Kisumu West.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Very well. Hon. Members, the Question on the proposed amendment by Hon. Beatrice Kemei will be put during the next time when this Motion is considered. The Mover of the Motion will also be asked to reply when the Motion will be slated next...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Garissa Township.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kirinyaga.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Nyatike.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Bomet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Nguna, what is happening to you? Is there a problem? Are you okay? Let the Member for Bomet East contribute.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Isiolo South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Moiben.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kwanza, I am listening to Members and it seems this is a society issue.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It seems this is an issue that the law will not correct. Members should think of how best to deal with this away from the law. But I digress. Go on.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Marsabit. She will be the last one to contribute to this Motion and then we will call upon the mover to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Members, before I call the mover to reply, allow me to recognise the presence, in the Public Gallery, of the students from the AEF Rueben Primary School, Embakasi South in Nairobi County. They are welcome to view the happenings of...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Take one-and-a-half minutes each please.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Finalise.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Haika.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Hon. Ngusya, proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Then, that means you only have two minutes to reply.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng') Thank you very much, Hon. Mathenge. I think the ball is in your court. You heard Members and everyone's views on this issue. As you know, the very nature of a Motion is that we normally resolve and most of the time nothing turns...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng) Order, Hon. King’ara. Just approach the Clerk-at-the-Table. (Hon. King’ara consulted with the Clerk-at-the-Table)

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Haika Mizighi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Wajir North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member, you are completely out of order. You are out of order totally.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Member, what is your point of order? You are raising up your hands. Okay. Go ahead.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said, Hon. Saney. This chance goes to the Member for Runyenjes.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Let us have the Member for Bonchari.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. Member for Bureti. Just a minute. The Member for Kwanza, you are out of order. You cannot keep on putting pressure on me to give you a chance to speak when you are not on the queue. That is not the way...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Komingoi, I notice that you are reading the Committee Report.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. Hon. Members, as we proceed, allow me to recognise and welcome to the Assembly students from Kamarandi Secondary School, Mbeere North, Embu County. We also welcome Nyahururu Visions Primary School of Ol Jorok, Nyandarua County. They are welcome to follow...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. King’ara, I hope you are listening and already taking notes. If you listen to what the Committee has said and what Members are saying, there could be a middle ground on dealing with the most important issues 19th April 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kanduyi.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, you have spoken to this particular Bill. What is out of order?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Ruku, that cannot be a point of order. We note that you have students from your constituency here, and that is it. Allow the Member to proceed with his contribution.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Kisauni.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’)Nawatakia kila la heri.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This is a Bill, not a Motion. Member for Kitutu Chache North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Member for Mathioya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kabondo Kasipul. Hon. Members, I want to remind you that when you log your card in, always ensure you press the log in button so you are well logged in.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) What will happen when you have regional licensing and every police officer asks: Are you from Siaya going to Busia? Will they need another license? Do we need another rent-seeking opportunity? The Member for Matungu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Webuye East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kiambu County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Wamuratha. You will have the balance of your time in the next Sitting when this Bill will be deliberated upon. Time is up. You will have the first chance when the Bill is discussed next. ADJOURNMENT 19th April 2023 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much. This chance goes to Hon. Ruku of Mbeere North.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Trans Nzoia.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) You should contribute in Kiswahili as you had started. Hon. Members, just to clarify, when you start in Kiswahili, you must continue in Kiswahili to the end. If you start in English then you end in English. Proceed.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Elisha and Hon. Babu, that is not how we do it. I will follow the list. I know we are friends, but we must follow the right procedures. Member for Seme.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you very much Members. I wish to welcome students from Riara Primary School in Dagoretti North Constituency, Nairobi County. They are welcome to follow the proceedings of the House this morning. The school has parents in the House today, Hon. Otiende Amollo and...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you. This chance goes to Hon. Farah Maalim.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Thank you, Hon. Farah. This chance goes to the Member for Kirinyaga. Members on this side, I have just given three people in a row from your side. So, do not put pressure on me at all. I will follow what I have here....

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well done. Member for Kiambu.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Otiende, do you have a point of order, or you want to contribute? (Hon. (Dr) Otiende Amollo spoke off-record) The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Okay.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Well said. Member for Mathioya.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Busia. He will be followed by the Member for Embakasi East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) The Hon. Babu Owino has been so meaningful apart from one variation. I would ask him to proceed along the lines of the Standing Orders.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I will give this chance to Hon. Otiende. I hope he will take a shorter time.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) This chance will go to the Member for Bureti, if he is in the House. (Hon. Ruku GK consulted loudly) Hon. Ruku, you are completely out of order. This chance will then go to the Member for Kajiado County.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Bomet East.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Gem, followed by the Member for Machakos.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I suggest you do not go along that way, because we will be discussing a member or a Kenyan who is a CEO of a regional institution without giving her the chance to respond. I would suggest you go a different way.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Kabuchai. Is the Member of Kabuchai or the Hon. Member for Kanduyi in the House? Member for Kilgoris.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (David Ochieng’) I had actually given the chance to the Member for Machakos. We skipped that. Go ahead Hon. Member.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mbeere South.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Chonga, what is the problem?

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) It was going so well. There are 10 minutes. He had those 10 minutes for himself. Just to advise that in future, if you want to limit the time, you must do it before the debate of the Motion starts. I agree with you...

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) I wish it was. I had already given the chance to the Hon. Member for Gichugu.

Hon. Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Member for Mosop.

The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Kirwa, I have to stop you there. You will have your balance of time, when this Motion comes up again next week. ADJOURNMENT The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) Hon. Members, the time now is 1.01