Omboko Milemba

Mover, Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Rindikiri.

Hon. Members, we proceed with the Third Reading. THE PARLIAMENTARY PENSIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL 1st July 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47

Hon. Rindikiri, that is the English version of your name.

Very well. (Question proposed) Hon. Makali Mulu, I was going to put the final Question. You nearly missed the opportunity to appreciate Members and other stakeholders on this Bill. You have had a long journey with it. Please, make your final remarks.

Hon. Makali, it has indeed been a heavy task. You travelled through a long journey. I am sure you inherited the Bill from the Governor some time ago. Having been a religious follower of the House, I can confidently confirm this to the House. We thank the House leadership of...

Mover.

Hon. Irene Mayaka loves sports. I am sure she has been watching all the World Cup matches. Please, proceed.

Next order. 1st July 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 49 Second Reading THE PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES (AMENDMENT) BILL

Hon. Wanyama.

Did I see interest from Hon. Makali Mulu?

Very well. There being no further interest in this particular Bill, I call upon the Mover to reply.

(Motion deferred)Hon. Members, the Leader of Delegation is one of the Members attending a meeting in Room 9. Therefore, we defer this Motion to the next session. Next Order. ADOPTION OF 2ND REPORT ON STATUS OF REPORTS ON PETITIONS AND RESOLUTIONS OF THE HOUSE (Motion deferred)Hon. Members, the Chairperson of...

Mover, Hon. Makali Mulu.

Hon. Rindikiri.

Hon. Members, we proceed with the Third Reading. THE PARLIAMENTARY PENSIONS (AMENDMENT) BILL 1st July 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47

Hon. Rindikiri, that is the English version of your name.

Very well. (Question proposed) Hon. Makali Mulu, I was going to put the final Question. You nearly missed the opportunity to appreciate Members and other stakeholders on this Bill. You have had a long journey with it. Please, make your final remarks.

Hon. Makali, it has indeed been a heavy task. You travelled through a long journey. I am sure you inherited the Bill from the Governor some time ago. Having been a religious follower of the House, I can confidently confirm this to the House. We thank the House leadership of...

Mover.

Hon. Irene Mayaka loves sports. I am sure she has been watching all the World Cup matches. Please, proceed.

Next order. 1st July 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 49 Second Reading THE PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES (AMENDMENT) BILL

Hon. Wanyama.

Did I see interest from Hon. Makali Mulu?

Very well. There being no further interest in this particular Bill, I call upon the Mover to reply.

(Motion deferred)Hon. Members, the Leader of Delegation is one of the Members attending a meeting in Room 9. Therefore, we defer this Motion to the next session. Next Order. ADOPTION OF 2ND REPORT ON STATUS OF REPORTS ON PETITIONS AND RESOLUTIONS OF THE HOUSE (Motion deferred)Hon. Members, the Chairperson of...

Great. As Hon. Baya comes to second, the Chairman, Budget and Appropriations Committee, you must know that county governments are in the Constitution and we are rightfully doing what ought to be done. Therefore, the tone and the mood must be constitutional. Proceed, Hon. Owen Baya.

Proceed, Hon. Owen Baya.

No. Let me propose the Question first. (Question proposed) The Leader of the Majority Party will have the first bite.

Hon. Millie, you are on record. Do you want to speak to this? Proceed.

Very well. The interest is overwhelming but those speaking, make it short. Secondly, Hon. Millie, I thought you would rise on Standing Order 87 (4) , which provides that we should not discuss other Members without a substantive Motion. However, you have already spoken to it. That guidance is for...

Hon. Oundo. Hon. (Dr) Ojiambo Oundo (Funyula, ODM) . Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. Allow me also to support the Motion of the mediated version of the Division of Revenue Bill (National Assembly Bill No.2 of 2026) presented by the Hon. Co-Chairman of the Mediation Committee on the Division of...

Ranking Member. Father of the House, Hon. Adan Keynan, let us hear from you on this.

Hon. Bowen.

Hon. Bisau Kakai.

The Hon. Woman Representative

Let us have Hon. Kombe.

Hon. Waluke.

Hon. Beatrice Elachi.

Hon. Japheth Nyakundi. I know Hon. Timothy, you were far ahead, but you stepped out, and I could not see you. Proceed, Hon. Nyakundi. 10th June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 53

Hon. Omanyo.

Hon. Members, a Member rose in his place under Standing Order 95 (1) and proceeded to propose that the Mover be called upon to reply. (Question, that the Mover be now called upon to reply, put and agreed to) Mover.

Hon. Members, you know our Standing Orders very well. (Question put and agreed to) Hon. Members, we may be upstanding, given the important activity that we have tomorrow. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, the time being 10th June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 57 Published by Clerk of the National Assembly Parliament Buildings...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Milemba, what is out of order? The Honourable Member, who is also the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, is very aware that he is the one who presided over the intake process of Grade 10 students. It was done in...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Milemba. Hon. Speaker, this is not frivolous! The Hon. Member who has stood on that point of order had the opportunity, together with me, to be sponsored by Parliament to visit Westminster and Australia. He was there when we witnessed the...

The Chairlady, proceed to report.

Mover.

Mover.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal. 2nd June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

Hon. Zamzam.

Okay. We need to wind up. We did the Second Reading. Let us hear Hon. Millie. 2nd June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40

Finally, Hon. Oundo.

What is your point of order, Hon. Baya? I think the Speaker has just told us about this.

Very well. I still allowed you to have that point of order because it was just demonstrating very clearly what the Speaker talked about earlier on—misadventure. Hon. Orero, you have one minute. Hon. Members, this is not the Second Reading. It is the Third Reading. You do not need to...

You have done well towards the end. This is not the Second Reading and so, let us not go into the very fine details. What Hon. Millie did was a very good example of what it should be. Let us hear Hon. Joshua Kimilu.

Order, Hon. Kimilu. Hon. Millie is a very seasoned legislator. If you have to refer to her, you will need a substantive Motion. Quickly proceed and withdraw those remarks.

Hon. Members, thank you. We have heard the good side of it. I now proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Next Order. THE KENYA JUDICIARY ACADEMY BILL Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Proceed to second, Hon. Member. When you are seconding, you cannot be on a point of order. I do not know which one you will take. I propose that you second the Bill.

Order. Give him the microphone.

Proceed to second.

Very well, Hon. Members. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, I would like to give some directions before we go into the main debate. Unfortunately, I can see the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is busy with other things. When he will be ready, he will inform me. Let us...

Very well. Hon. Mutuse.

Let us have Hon. Mutuse.

Hon. Mutuse, you will have your final bite on this.

Let Hon. Mutuse finish his bit. You will have a chance to speak to the Bill. I can see your name is on the list. Hon. Mutuse, you may proceed to finish your contribution.

Hon. Millie will be next to speak on this. Before that and as earlier directed by the Hon. Speaker, allow me to direct that we go back to Order No. 5 and Order No. 6 to allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to lay a Paper and...

You may proceed to lay. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, what is it?

Order, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. We have already heard from you. Order. Allow me to give direction. We heard you very clearly when you moved it. We have heard Hon. Mutuse’s argument, and I have allowed two points of order. Allow the debate to flow. This was is...

Yes, Hon. Mutuse.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Members, allow debate to flow because all of you will have a chance to speak to this. I followed the arguments by Hon. Julius, Hon. Millie and Hon. Mutuse. When you give examples, you must put them at the level of the Constitution and not the Act. This is...

Very well. Before I give Hon. Caroli Omondi a chance, what you are debating is very relevant to some of the constitutional clauses within our Constitution, which have sometimes become hiccups. When you look at the Article quoted by Hon. Sunkuli, it is quite clear that it instructs the preparation...

Let us hear Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

I expected Hon. Mutuse to be on a point of order. He did not. Anyway, let us proceed. For those who are following keenly, let us hear from wakili Hon. Stephen Mogaka.

Very well. If Members pass this Bill, they will give teachers an opportunity to make a similar law. However, we have to deal with the issues of constitutionality that you spoke about. I also expected Hon. Mutuse to rise on a point of order when one of the Members of...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Hon. Milemba, what is out of order? The Honourable Member, who is also the Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Education, is very aware that he is the one who presided over the intake process of Grade 10 students. It was done in...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. Yes, Hon. Milemba. Hon. Speaker, this is not frivolous! The Hon. Member who has stood on that point of order had the opportunity, together with me, to be sponsored by Parliament to visit Westminster and Australia. He was there when we witnessed the...

The Chairlady, proceed to report.

Mover.

Mover.

Hon. (Dr) James Nyikal. 2nd June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 39

Hon. Zamzam.

Okay. We need to wind up. We did the Second Reading. Let us hear Hon. Millie. 2nd June 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 40

Finally, Hon. Oundo.

What is your point of order, Hon. Baya? I think the Speaker has just told us about this.

Very well. I still allowed you to have that point of order because it was just demonstrating very clearly what the Speaker talked about earlier on—misadventure. Hon. Orero, you have one minute. Hon. Members, this is not the Second Reading. It is the Third Reading. You do not need to...

You have done well towards the end. This is not the Second Reading and so, let us not go into the very fine details. What Hon. Millie did was a very good example of what it should be. Let us hear Hon. Joshua Kimilu.

Order, Hon. Kimilu. Hon. Millie is a very seasoned legislator. If you have to refer to her, you will need a substantive Motion. Quickly proceed and withdraw those remarks.

Hon. Members, thank you. We have heard the good side of it. I now proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) (The Bill was accordingly read a Third Time and passed) Next Order. THE KENYA JUDICIARY ACADEMY BILL Deputy Leader of the Majority Party.

Proceed to second, Hon. Member. When you are seconding, you cannot be on a point of order. I do not know which one you will take. I propose that you second the Bill.

Order. Give him the microphone.

Proceed to second.

Very well, Hon. Members. (Question proposed) Hon. Members, I would like to give some directions before we go into the main debate. Unfortunately, I can see the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee is busy with other things. When he will be ready, he will inform me. Let us...

Very well. Hon. Mutuse.

Let us have Hon. Mutuse.

Hon. Mutuse, you will have your final bite on this.

Let Hon. Mutuse finish his bit. You will have a chance to speak to the Bill. I can see your name is on the list. Hon. Mutuse, you may proceed to finish your contribution.

Hon. Millie will be next to speak on this. Before that and as earlier directed by the Hon. Speaker, allow me to direct that we go back to Order No. 5 and Order No. 6 to allow the Chairman of the Budget and Appropriations Committee to lay a Paper and...

You may proceed to lay. Deputy Leader of the Majority Party, what is it?

Order, Deputy Leader of the Majority Party. We have already heard from you. Order. Allow me to give direction. We heard you very clearly when you moved it. We have heard Hon. Mutuse’s argument, and I have allowed two points of order. Allow the debate to flow. This was is...

Yes, Hon. Mutuse.

Hon. Wilberforce Oundo.

Hon. Members, allow debate to flow because all of you will have a chance to speak to this. I followed the arguments by Hon. Julius, Hon. Millie and Hon. Mutuse. When you give examples, you must put them at the level of the Constitution and not the Act. This is...

Very well. Before I give Hon. Caroli Omondi a chance, what you are debating is very relevant to some of the constitutional clauses within our Constitution, which have sometimes become hiccups. When you look at the Article quoted by Hon. Sunkuli, it is quite clear that it instructs the preparation...

Let us hear Hon. Timothy Toroitich.

I expected Hon. Mutuse to be on a point of order. He did not. Anyway, let us proceed. For those who are following keenly, let us hear from wakili Hon. Stephen Mogaka.

Very well. If Members pass this Bill, they will give teachers an opportunity to make a similar law. However, we have to deal with the issues of constitutionality that you spoke about. I also expected Hon. Mutuse to rise on a point of order when one of the Members of...

Hon. Speaker, thank you for this chance. As we welcome Hon. Wanyonyi back, it opens up discussion within the labour sector on the need to have people who assist those who may not have speech or other abilities required to effectively execute their work. We already have many such persons...

Very well, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Before I bring Hon. Mwenje, who is very ready to deal with this matter… (Hon. Mark Mwenje spoke off the record) I will be bringing you. Before then, let us acknowledge the presence of the following schools in...

Are you on a point of order, Hon. Millie? (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record) Let us listen to the Member for Emgwen.

Very well. Hon. Cherorot.

Great. You need to be much briefer than that because these are just comments. Let us give Hon. Millie a chance, very briefly.

Great. I think that is done. We have had enough of that. Let us go to business, Members. Let us get the first bite from Hon. Mwenje.

Proceed, proceed. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29

I can see some interest. Let me just take two. Hon. Oundo, be brief. The first speaker had the leverage.

No, just bring a Question; it cannot be killed. The business here must be undertaken. I can see Hon. Wandeto. Very briefly, and then we go back to the Chairperson. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30

Chairperson. Order.

Thank you, Chairperson. Your strength in that area has been the specifics, because this is a House of rules and order. Honourable Members, you can bring substantive questions, and they are dealt with using specifics. Hon. Mwenje did very well in terms of the names. I want to guide that...

Check on the people who need to come to the House. We have our Standing Orders, which guide us on who can be called here. Let us move to the next business. Is Hon. Martin Pepela in the House? If so, do we have the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee...

Very well. Proceed, Hon. Chairman. Is Hon. Ahmed Hassan in the House? He is not in. I would have asked you to proceed with the second response, since they are on the same subject. Let us have Hon. Pepela.

Order, Hon. Member. You are digressing. We dealt with this matter when the substantive Speaker was here. You have an opportunity to table a Special Motion next week, specifically to deal with that matter. I will support you as a teacher. So, please, confine yourself to the business before the...

Let us have the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure.

Very well. Is the Leader of the Majority Party in the House for his Statement? Maybe we shall still give him a chance to give the Thursday Statement when he comes in. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah entered the Chamber) Here he is walking in. He must be more than ready. Let...

Order, Leader of the Majority Party, just one minute as you settle down. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, you can bring the answers you had to the Clerks-at-the-Table because the Member of Banissa is not in the House. We can now invite the Leader of the...

Very well. Next Order. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 35 THE MICROFINANCE BILL THE KENYA REVENUE AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL Next Order by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations.

Hon. Millie, both you and the Chair have spoken on the rescheduling of the nominee's appearance. That is a matter you may escalate to the Speaker, as all these processes are carried out in accordance with the Standing Orders, the Constitution, and the laws of this country. Such a rescheduling...

Very well. We shall proceed. That is banter and canter we allow in Parliament at any time. (Hon. Ndindi Nyoro spoke off the record) Hon. Ndindi, I had added you one minute, and you did well. Let us hear Hon. (Dr) Oundo, who has been waiting; he is also a...

Order, Hon. (Dr) Oundo. The Leader of the Majority Party has a point of order. (Laughter)

Hon. Oundo, before you pick up from where you left, allow me to acknowledge the presence of students from Githunguri Girls High School in Kandara Constituency, Murang’a County, who are seated in the Public Gallery. On behalf of the House, I welcome the students to Parliament.

Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba.

Hon. Robert Basil.

Hon. John Gitonga.

Hon. Gitonga, there is a point of information from the Leader of the Majority Party.

Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party.

Mover.

Very well. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL Leader of the Majority Party.

Order, Hon. Millie and the Leader of the Majority Party. Proceed procedurally. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

Great. Hon. Millie, you may proceed.

Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. John Gitonga.

One more Member wants to contribute. Let us see if we can get him. Hon. Basil, you have a few minutes. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 54

Let us have the Mover.

Very well. I thank Members for the good quality debate, the candour and banter involved. You have made me happy. Hon. Members, we shall put the question at the next sitting. (Putting the question deferred) 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 55 ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, you may be upstanding. The...

Hon. Speaker, thank you for this chance. As we welcome Hon. Wanyonyi back, it opens up discussion within the labour sector on the need to have people who assist those who may not have speech or other abilities required to effectively execute their work. We already have many such persons...

Very well, Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Justice and Legal Affairs. Before I bring Hon. Mwenje, who is very ready to deal with this matter… (Hon. Mark Mwenje spoke off the record) I will be bringing you. Before then, let us acknowledge the presence of the following schools in...

Are you on a point of order, Hon. Millie? (Hon. Millie Odhiambo-Mabona spoke off the record) Let us listen to the Member for Emgwen.

Very well. Hon. Cherorot.

Great. You need to be much briefer than that because these are just comments. Let us give Hon. Millie a chance, very briefly.

Great. I think that is done. We have had enough of that. Let us go to business, Members. Let us get the first bite from Hon. Mwenje.

Proceed, proceed. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29

I can see some interest. Let me just take two. Hon. Oundo, be brief. The first speaker had the leverage.

No, just bring a Question; it cannot be killed. The business here must be undertaken. I can see Hon. Wandeto. Very briefly, and then we go back to the Chairperson. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 30

Chairperson. Order.

Thank you, Chairperson. Your strength in that area has been the specifics, because this is a House of rules and order. Honourable Members, you can bring substantive questions, and they are dealt with using specifics. Hon. Mwenje did very well in terms of the names. I want to guide that...

Check on the people who need to come to the House. We have our Standing Orders, which guide us on who can be called here. Let us move to the next business. Is Hon. Martin Pepela in the House? If so, do we have the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee...

Very well. Proceed, Hon. Chairman. Is Hon. Ahmed Hassan in the House? He is not in. I would have asked you to proceed with the second response, since they are on the same subject. Let us have Hon. Pepela.

Order, Hon. Member. You are digressing. We dealt with this matter when the substantive Speaker was here. You have an opportunity to table a Special Motion next week, specifically to deal with that matter. I will support you as a teacher. So, please, confine yourself to the business before the...

Let us have the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure.

Very well. Is the Leader of the Majority Party in the House for his Statement? Maybe we shall still give him a chance to give the Thursday Statement when he comes in. (Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah entered the Chamber) Here he is walking in. He must be more than ready. Let...

Order, Leader of the Majority Party, just one minute as you settle down. Chairman of the Departmental Committee on Transport and Infrastructure, you can bring the answers you had to the Clerks-at-the-Table because the Member of Banissa is not in the House. We can now invite the Leader of the...

Very well. Next Order. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 35 THE MICROFINANCE BILL THE KENYA REVENUE AUTHORITY (AMENDMENT) BILL Next Order by the Chairperson of the Departmental Committee on Defence, Intelligence and Foreign Relations.

Hon. Millie, both you and the Chair have spoken on the rescheduling of the nominee's appearance. That is a matter you may escalate to the Speaker, as all these processes are carried out in accordance with the Standing Orders, the Constitution, and the laws of this country. Such a rescheduling...

Very well. We shall proceed. That is banter and canter we allow in Parliament at any time. (Hon. Ndindi Nyoro spoke off the record) Hon. Ndindi, I had added you one minute, and you did well. Let us hear Hon. (Dr) Oundo, who has been waiting; he is also a...

Order, Hon. (Dr) Oundo. The Leader of the Majority Party has a point of order. (Laughter)

Hon. Oundo, before you pick up from where you left, allow me to acknowledge the presence of students from Githunguri Girls High School in Kandara Constituency, Murang’a County, who are seated in the Public Gallery. On behalf of the House, I welcome the students to Parliament.

Hon. Gathoni Wamuchomba.

Hon. Robert Basil.

Hon. John Gitonga.

Hon. Gitonga, there is a point of information from the Leader of the Majority Party.

Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party.

Mover.

Very well. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE PUBLIC FINANCE MANAGEMENT (AMENDMENT) BILL Leader of the Majority Party.

Order, Hon. Millie and the Leader of the Majority Party. Proceed procedurally. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 47

Hon. Ndindi Nyoro.

Hon. Millie Odhiambo.

Great. Hon. Millie, you may proceed.

Proceed, Leader of the Majority Party.

Hon. John Gitonga.

One more Member wants to contribute. Let us see if we can get him. Hon. Basil, you have a few minutes. 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 54

Let us have the Mover.

Very well. I thank Members for the good quality debate, the candour and banter involved. You have made me happy. Hon. Members, we shall put the question at the next sitting. (Putting the question deferred) 28th May 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 55 ADJOURNMENT Hon. Members, you may be upstanding. The...

Thank you very much, Hon. Deputy Speaker. [The Deputy Speaker (Hon. Gladys Boss) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Hon. David Ochieng’) in the Chair] The Question had already been undertaken and discussed in this House. It thereafter, ensued over the matter related to payment by the Kenya National Examinations...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, we cannot reduce this House to only oversee. I, therefore, I agree with the Mover on this matter, that the fourth sustainable development goal was about access to education and that is prime. So, if school uniform is hindering access, then we have to deal with it....

Hon. Temporary Speaker, that was a request for a Statement from me that coalesced to become what it is now. However, that notwithstanding, the Cabinet Secretary is not telling the House when they will pay the examiners. He has told the House how much they owe the examiners and he...

Let me speak to this. What does the Cabinet Secretary mean by the word ‘negotiating’? Exams were done and the teachers and supervisors marked them. The Ministry is negotiating with the National Treasury to see whether it can pay or not. That is not a serious statement. I do not...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I plead with you that 14 days is too far. Like we had resolved earlier, this Parliament urges the Executive to use Article 223 to pay teachers in the next three to five days. 22nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 31

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I would wish to support Hon. Mishi. What is the Ministry doing, in collaboration with the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) , on the issue of staffing? The Ministry should manage and work with TSC on this matter. That working formula has been there even when...

Great. Hon. Osero Kibagendi.

Hon. Members, I remember this was a very stormy matter, being a very regular person in Parliament. Let us have the first bite from Hon. Moses Kirima. Where is the Member who seconded this Motion? He did not go on record as seconding it. Get back to your place, then...

Great. Having done that, we can now hear Hon. Moses Kirima.

Please give him one more minute. He sounds quite knowledgeable in this area. 22nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 55

Great. Let us now hear from Hon. John Gitonga.

Very well.

Indeed, Members, you will notice that when this matter came to the Floor of the House, there was almost an uproar. There was suspicion, and farmers felt the administration had changed. Indeed, this report then becomes very crucial. Therefore, let it be adjourned to a later date and sitting so...

Hon. Kirima.

Very well. (Hon. Dorothy Muthoni spoke off the record) Let me propose the question first. (Question proposed) We can now hear from you, Hon. Dorothy Ikiara.

Let us have Hon. Kirima.

Very well. (Question, that debate be now adjourned, put and agreed to) (Debate on the Motion adjourned) Next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON ACCESS TO HEALTHCARE BY CANCER PATIENTS 22nd April 2026 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 59 to healthcare by cancer patients in the country, laid on the Table of the...

Very well. Serjeant-at-Arms, ring the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Very well. We have done the 10 minutes and we can stop there. A Member rose from his place under Standing Order 35 on quorum. We have since rung the Quorum Bell for 10 minutes,...