Hillary Kiprotich Sigei

I will now invite Members to contribute to this Bill. On my dashboard, I have Sen. Gloria Magoma Orwoba.

Serjeant-at-Arms, kindly put the

Sen. Orwoba, your comments are noted. I expected you to appreciate the fact that there is a refurbished Chamber for you to utilise.

Thank you, Sen. Orwoba. Next is Sen. Osotsi.

Thank you, Sen. Osotsi. Sen. Cherarkey, proceed.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, proceed.

Thank you, Senator. Lastly, Sen. Thang’wa.

Hon. Senators, there being no other Member interested to contribute, I call upon Sen. Sifuna to reply to this Bill.

As requested by Sen. Sifuna, the putting of the question is deferred to the next sitting of the House. (Putting of the question on the Bill deferred) Let us go to the next Order. ADOPTION OF REPORT ON INSECURITY IN TURKANA COUNTY the state of insecurity in Turkana County, laid...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the witness has come with the original register. For context, the reason as to why this witness has been summoned is because we discovered forgeries in the Governor's documents after we exchanged documents on Saturday at around 6.00 p.m. The only reason this witness has come...

I am trying to understand this procedure. What I understand is that, whatever evidence that was before the County Assembly is what was brought here. Now, if they are bringing in new evidence, I do not think it is admissible. County Assembly with regard to these two particular witnesses. That...

The Speaker sitting where you are sitting made a ruling that we could proceed with the next witness, and if we do not have the next witness, then the House could consider listening to the testimony of the witness tomorrow in the morning, when all Members are able to be...

Sen. Faki, I will not allow you to intervene any further. What I will do is to give direction, which is that we will stand down this particular witness. We have got questions and clarifications by Members from among the witnesses who already testified. We will go back to them...

make. Do not unnecessarily waste time in laying a lot of foundation. Whoever is not in, we will forfeit the opportunity. Then next on the line is Sen. Orwoba, who is not in.Senator Joe Njutu, proceed. Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. I want to seek clarification...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I started by saying I regret the comments made by the activists against this honourable House. They do not form the opinion of the County Assembly of Meru on the opinion of this House. I also trust they do not form the opinion of...

exhibits, including what was thrown into my compound. It smelt of petrol and even now, those exhibits are still at Nkubu Police Station.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on question three, I submit that the disease that the farmers from Uruko were talking about was the lumpy skin disease. I am also...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. About the fire in the County Assembly, she already provided a video of her home. Is there any evidence that the County Assembly ever caught fire? If it did, how come she still went to spend the night there and use the Chamber the...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. On the fire in the Assembly, I submit that I was inside the Assembly. I saw the fire on the roof of the Assembly from inside. I submit that a report on the occurrence was made at the Meru Police Station. I submit that...

Asante Bw. Spika wa Muda. Katika kanda za video ambazo--- (Loud consultations) Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I have two clarifications. The first is on the Petition No.5 by the members of the public to the Meru County

Thank you, Mr. TemporarySpeaker, Sir and hon. Senators. On the question on Petition No.5 that was presented to the County Assembly

Indeed. Zipporah, respond to those two questions.

You have answered the questions. We will have Sen. Oketch Eddy and Sen. Mundigi, in that order.

Zipporah, I am speaking to you. You do not need to go to those other committees.

Zipporah, I am speaking to you. You do not need to go to those other committees.

Proceed to the next.

Sen. Eddy, do you want to give the witness the relevant Article of the Constitution?

Alright. Please respond to the second question that was asked by Sen. Mundigi.

Thank you so much, Hon. Zipporah. Hon. Members, for purposes of time management, I have an indication that certain Members have got questions with regards to the other witnesses other than the witness at the stand. I would like to know for purposes of allowing you to speak. From the...

Sen. Beth, please ask your questions.

Thank you. Let us now, hear from Sen. M. Kajwang’ and thereafter Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

Proceed to respond, hon. Zipporah.

Madam Zipporah, that was a comment. Please, respond to the question.

Thank you. Let us now, hear from Sen. M. Kajwang’ and thereafter Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

Sen. M. Kajwang’, your time is up. Proceed, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

Finally, and this is important and I also hate the fact that we have little time, on the issue asked by Sen. M. Kajwang’ in terms of the documents presented, what should the Executive do if the County Assembly fails to approve the nominees. Do those departments stay without being...

Thank you. Hon. Members, you have 12 minutes remaining to conclude this session. Let us be mindful of time once you are allowed to seek your clarifications. Sen. Ledama and Sen. Tobiko.

On a point of Order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Madam Zipporah, kindly restrict yourself to the contents of the letter in responding to that particular question and be very mindful of the time that is already out.

On a point of order, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

My home has always been guarded by a watchman since I established it in the year 2003. There has been a watchman although he is not the same.

Madam Zipporah, kindly restrict yourself to the contents of the letter in responding to that particular question and be very mindful of the time that is already out.

Thank you. Now, Hon. Members, we have fully utilized the one hour that had been granted for purposes of clarifications. Therefore, as I directed earlier on, everyone had requested to seek clarifications. We cannot be here until midnight. We must limit and manage our time so that the session is...

Conclude in under one minute.

Order, Sen.Cherarkey. Are you (Loud consultations)

With your guidance because under Standing Order No. 1, which is part of our rules and regulation, the Mover of the Motion was the key witness that we wanted to seek clarification from her. That will affect our judgment at the end of these proceedings. It will be very unfair.

Order, Sen. Cherarkey.

Order, Sen.Cherarkey. Are you

Proceed to ask the witness the question.

Sen. Cherarkey, resume your seat, so that I give further guidance.

Sen. Cherarkey, resume your seat so that I give further guidance to the House.

If you have no question to the witness on the stand, you may sign out. If you do, remain so that I give you the opportunity to ask those questions. Clear the screen. I still have Members lined up, so I will give those who are still on the screen....

Sen. Veronica, address the Speaker.

You want to seek clarification from the lawyer? Take your seat so that the opportunity will be made available to you.

Sen. Ledama, take your seat. (Sen. Olekina sat at his place) Sen. Beth, please proceed.

Sen. Cherarkey, take your seat. You are out of order. Is there anyone with any specific clarification that they would like to have from witness? Sen. Mbugua, please proceed.

Very well, Sen. Beth. Is there any other Member? I have three Members on my dashboard. I do not want Members to complain. If there is none, then the witness is discharged. Let us call upon the second last witness, Ms. Linda Kiome.

Thereafter, after the impeachment, that is when she called me to her office in Meru just before Christmas and asked me to resign.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, our relationship got sour immediately after the second impeachment. There was no further communication from the Governor until I believe the 26th of March...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I stand guided.

I was on the last issue where I was saying that the nature of the legal advice that she had sought was verbal and she had asked me to go to her home to give her the legal advice. Thereafter, any other advice I was giving was through the CECM,...

That is all, Ms. Linda. Make your responses short and respond directly to the question.

Thank you, hon. Members of the Senate. I believe that my cause to come and make a request to attend this session was, first of all, for my own future prosperity. I had indicated earlier I would not have wanted to be associated with that kind of advisory. Number two,...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, thank you for the opportunity. Counsel, I just want a clarification on your signature. Did you say that the signature on the advisory was not yours; did you say the signature was similar to yours or did you say the signature was lifted from the other...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Hon. Members, I was very categorical that I did not sign that document hence making a conclusion that, that signature was lifted from other documents that I had signed. That is why I am asking, can I be provided with an original document because...

Ms. Linda, please respond.

Proceed, Sen. Okiya Omtatah.

Could the witness clarify how many legal advisory opinions she proffered to the Governor during her short stint? When she discovered according to her that her signature had been used without her consent, did she take any action to forestall a criminal activity of forgery or using her signature without...

What is your point of order, Sen. Oketch Gicheru?

Before you answer that, Linda, let us hear from Sen. Veronica, so that you answer both questions.

That is sufficient. Hon. Members, that brings us to the end of the clarification session that we had with the witnesses. Ms. Linda, you can take your leave. You are released. We have the last witness, Mr. Jacob Kirari. Hon. Members, I believe you have been served with a copy...

On which date? On the top left corner. Can you see the date?

The document is dated the 18th of June 2023. Correct? Page 53 of the Governor's Volume 1B. It is dated 18th June, 2023.

So, that is the first list of the nominees that were sent to the county assembly by the governor. Of all the documents that are filed by the governor, that are in contention concerning the Meru County Revenue Board, that is the list of nominees that was sent. Correct?

Counsel, your time is up. I am giving you 30 seconds to conclude on what you need to ask for the witness to respond.

Just close in one minute.

Pardon.

That is the position.

Counsel Ongoya, your time is up.

Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. My name is Eric Muriuki. Mr. Witness, in your re-exam, what was that book used for and at what date? Jacob Kirari: This book from September, has been used for correspondences that I received and that go out of the office.

Counsel, you have made your point.

Are the issues of confusion or the issues of the dates in that book in any way an answer to those forgeries and those documents that were never received by you? Jacob Kirari: In my record, they were never received in my office. Nonetheless, I will exercise my discretion. I...

I want to direct you. We have less than 10 minutes. Kindly respond to that question in under one minute. Do not give stories.

I have confirmed that these have been forged even by the way the stamp has been put. If you compare with any other correspondence from my office, you will realize that this was actually a fraudulent act in those three documents.Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I received a correspondence from the...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. Mr. Kirari, you are the Clerk of Meru County Assembly. I believe that your staff must have assisted in the impeachment process. You are familiar with all the counts and charges, including charge No.2 around appointment to the boards. You were aware of what...

Clerk, please wait. Sen. Joyce, ask your question.

the positon. I disown the three letters totally. Those of September to March are not from my office.

Proceed to conclude on that if you had not concluded. Sen. Eddy, what is it that you want clarified?

Not at all. We have been having a very cordial relationship as to record and the rest.

You have responded, Mr. Clerk. Answer the other question.

Proceed to conclude on that if you had not concluded. Sen. Eddy, what is it that you want clarified?

If you have been answered, I want to close. Let us not reopen any clarification. Sen. Joyce, what is it that is burning?

Clerk, are you able to answer that question?

Are you able to answer the question as to the cost implication?

Very well. You do not know the cost. That should be your simplest answer, right?

Thank you. Hon. Members, that brings us to the end of the session. Order, Sen. Joyce. Let us all be upstanding. ADJOURNMENT

Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I stand pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Health regarding stalled infrastructure projects in the County of Bomet. Several incomplete and abandoned health infrastructure projects in Bomet County represent a significant waste of public...

Sen. Olekina, I believe Sen. Tabitha Mutinda has run through your point of order. She definitely will clarify. I just wanted to give you the comfort that as the Vice Chairperson of the Committee, she is definitely in a position to clarify that. Senator Tabitha Mutinda, please, proceed.

Sen. Tabitha, would you like to be informed by Sen. Eddie?

Sen. Kajwang’, you have made your point. Sen. Tabitha, please, confine yourself to the Motion that is before the House. Do not wade into a Motion or a Bill that is yet to be a subject of debate. Proceed.

The putting of the question as regards to this particular Motion is deferred to the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order 66 (3) . So, Hon. Members, we will deal with that in our next session. (Putting of the Question on the Motion deferred) Next Order. ADOPTION...

Did you hear, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir? The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Wakili Sigei) : I am asking if I heard you say that stealing a goat worth Kshs7,000 or 8,000 is nothing as compared to stealing Kshs2 million from the county government? Sen. Mungatana, did I hear you say stealing...

also persecuted. For us to develop this nation, to push it one step ahead, we must change this culture. We must put more strict laws and arrest people.We must return the fear back into public service. If you are working in these county assemblies and you have misappropriated funds, people...

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, just for your attention, you need first move that the Bill be read a Second Time before you embark on your notes. Hon. Members, from my dashboard here, no other Member who is keen on contributing to this Motion. Similarly, we do not have a Mover who...

Proceed, Sen. Olekina.

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana. I have no other Member interested in making contributions to this Bill. In the absence of any other Member, I call Sen. Oketch Gicheru to reply.

Thank you very much. Putting of the question on this Bill is hereby deferred to the next sitting, pursuant to Standing Order No.66 (3) of the Standing Orders of this honourable House. (Putting of the question on Bill deferred) Hon. Members, we will defer Order Nos.14 to 24 to the...

Sen. Thang’wa, it cannot really be a point of order. There is no one on the Floor, unless it is a comment, then you may comment.

A certified version of this ReportHon. Members, remember when the Senator indicated that he was rising on a point of order, I told him it was not. Unfortunately, Sen. Mungatana, MGH, had been asked to step down for an intervention that had come in. That is exactly what had transpired...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale kindly listen to the Chair. Do you confirm that the report that your committee tabled and the one you tabled before the House is a complete report? Just answer that question; ‘yes’ or ‘no.’

Proceed. Do that confirmation directly.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you have answered my question. Kindly take your seat. In regards to the situation we are in now, I will give directions with that confirmation from Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. However, I will only allow one other Member from this end. Sen. Olekina, kindly give your comments. You...

Now, Sen. Olekina---

I want to guide you so that you finish in a proper way. Sen. Olekina, are you arguing that we stand down this particular Report? From the way you are arguing, you are actually going to its merits.

A certified version of this Report defer it so that the Secretariat can avail full report containing all the recommendations for the Chair to direct accordingly. A certified version of this Report defer it so that the Secretariat can avail full report containing all the recommendations for the Chair to...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I beg to move the following Motion- THAT, the Senate adopts the Joint Report of the Standing Committee on Health of the Senate and the Departmental Committee on Health of the National Assembly on the approval of a nominee for appointment as Director General...

Proceed, Sen. Okong’o Omogeni, Senior Counsel.

Senate Majority Leader and Majority Whip, please, take your seats. (Sen. Cheruiyot and Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale resumed their seats) (Question proposed) Hon. Members, I will allow Members to contribute if they have any comments on the Motion that we have just proposed for debate. I have seen there is interest...

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana for your contribution. Hon. Members, we do not seem to have Members interested in contributing and I will call upon the Mover to reply.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, remember earlier on I had indicated that there was no an interested Member, but I assume that courtesy of your interest on this matter, probably, Sen. Nyamu has equally been inspired.

Very well. So, you will share your time to reply, so that Sen. Nyamu can just speak to the report and permit you to conclude your reply to this Motion. Sen. Nyamu, please, proceed.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, your time now is available to close on your reply.

A certified version of this Report A certified version of this Report ADJOURNMENT

Thank you, Sen. Olekina. Next is Sen. Ali Roba.

Thank you, Sen. Madzayo. Proceed, Sen. Mutinda Tabitha Maureen.

Thank you, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda. Proceed, Sen. Wamatinga.

Sen. Omogeni, proceed.

Take your seat to be informed. I was indicating that as long as you have allowed Sen. (Dr.) Bonny Khalwale to inform you, it is within his powers on what information to inform you but, of course, relevant to what you are speaking.

Proceed, Sen. Okong’o Omogeni.

Thank you, Sen. Omogeni, Senior Counsel. Proceed Sen. Orwoba.

There being no other Senator requesting to speak to this Bill, I will call upon the Mover, Sen. Abass, to reply.

Sen. Abass, pursuant to Standing Order No.66 (3) , the putting of the question to this Bill is deferred to the next sitting of this House. Hon. Senators, earlier on, the Order Paper had been rearranged to have the Bill that we have just concluded its debate. I will further...

Sen. Abass, proceed. Sen. Abass: Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. As a Member of the Standing Committee on Energy, I wish to second the Local Content Bill (Senate Bills No.50 of 2023) . The Bill seeks to provide a framework for development and adoption of local content. In the past,...

parts of my county. The Bill gives a lot of responsibility to local content, like the experts in the country and the local communities within that area.There will now be a thorough environmental impact assessment. This is to ensure that we know the kind of things they are carrying. They...

Sen. Beatrice Ogola, you will have a balance of 30 minutes to continue with your contribution when we resume tomorrow. ADJOURNMENT

My goodness. Okay, I will try in that one minute. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, on Clause 11, be sure that is what you want us to do. You are telling us that you want a valid employment contract between the owner of the motorbike and the rider. In most cases, the...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, the bullfighter is the man sitting across the Floor, the Senator for Kakamega County.

Mr. Temporary Speaker, he is Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, alias the bullfighter. He owns the name. Thank you. I rise to support the Public Transport (Motorcycle Regulation) Bill (Senate Bills No.38 of 2023) . I am very glad that we finally have a Bill that can streamline the operations of the...

Senator, use Parliamentary language to make reference to your colleagues in the House. Withdraw the name, “bullfighter” and “the man sitting across”, and refer him by his official parliamentary title and name.

Thank you, Senator. Proceed, Sen. Chimera.

You were somewhere.

Sen. (Dr.) Boni, I can assure you that the Chair was not in the kindergarten then---

I was much younger.

Yes, the putting of the question is deferred to the next sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order No.66 (3) of this House. (Putting of the Question on the Bill deferred) Next Order. Second Reading THE CONSTITUTION OF KENYA (AMENDMENT) (NO.2) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO.52 OF 2023) Sen. Chimera,...

Thank you, Sen. Chimera. The putting of the question is deferred to the next Sitting of the House, pursuant to Standing Order No. 66 (3) of the Standing Orders of this House. (Putting of Question on Bill deferred) Clerk, call the next Order. PAPER LAID REPORT OF THE COMMITTEE ON...

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. I hope to just say one word, so that the Mover can reply. If Kenyans can recall, these were the beginnings of the new administration when President William Ruto had taken over. They were hit with a scandal of the Malaria nets. Very prompt...

Hon. Members, I see that we have a request to speak to this particular Motion. I will ask Sen. Mungatana, MGH to proceed.

Sen. Mungatana, MGH, you will have 18 minutes remaining, when the House resumes, to conclude on your contribution to the Motion. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the House. The Senate, therefore, stands adjourned until tomorrow, Wednesday, 24th July, 2024, at 9.30 a.m. The Senate...

Sen. Tabitha, thank you for your contribution to this important Bill. I now invite Sen. Mungatana Buya Danson, to also have his contributions.

Thank you, Sen. Mungatana. Proceed, Sen. Maanzo.

Thank you, Sen. Maanzo for your contribution. Sen. Tabitha, what is your intervention?

Sen. Tabitha, I am aware that we are out of the Statements’ Hour but I am notified that the substantive Speaker had approved your reading of the Statement. Proceed to read, pursuant to Standing Order No. PERSONAL STATEMENT INACCURATE REPORTING BY MAINSTREAM MEDIA ON CONTRIBUTION TO MOTION ON THE CURRENT...

Thank you, Sen. Keroche. Sen. Tobiko Peris.

Thank you, Sen. Tobiko, for your contribution. Proceed, Sen. Chimera.

Thank you, Sen. Chimera, for your support. I will allow Sen. Beatrice Ogola next to give her support, but before she does that, I have a Communication to make. (Interruption of debate on Bill) MESSAGE FROM THE PRESIDENT PRESIDENTIAL MEMORANDUM OF REFERRAL OF THE COUNTY ALLOCATION OF REVENUE BILL (SENATE...

Thank you, Sen. Beatrice. I now invite Sen. Nderitu John Kinyua to make his contribution.

Thank you very much, Sen. Kinyua, for your contribution. Now, hon. Senators, we do not have any other Member interested in contributing to this Bill. I will, therefore, call upon the Mover, Sen. Okenyuri, to reply. Considering that you are the last person to speak, you have 12 minutes to...

Thank you very much, Sen. Okenyuri. The putting of the question will now be deferred pursuant to the provisions of the Standing Order No.66 as requested by you. (Putting of the Question on the Bill deferred) ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.27 p.m., and the entire business of the...

Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I would also like in a very brief way to contribute to the Motion that was tabled before this hallowed House by the Senate Majority Leader and the Senate Minority Leader. From the very onset, I would like to appreciate the bipartisanship that they took...

Thank you very much, Senator from Makueni for seconding the Motion. (Question proposed) Hon. Senators, I now call upon Members who are willing to speak to this Motion. I, therefore, give the opportunity to Sen. Mohammed Faki, the Senator for Mombasa.

Thank you. Hon. Members, there being no other Senator interested in contributing to this Motion, I call upon the mover to reply.Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, proceed.

Thank you. You may take your seat. Hon. Members, Pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (1) , the matter is affecting counties, and therefore, as requested by Sen. Gataya Mo Fire, the the putting of the question on the matter is deferred to the next sitting pursuant to Standing Order No.66...

Your time is up, Sen. Eddie. Proceed, Sen. Mohammed Faki.

Proceed, Sen. Osotsi Godfrey Otieno.

Thank you, Sen. Osotsi. Hon. Members, there being no other Senator who wishes to contribute, I call upon Sen. Oketch Gicheru to reply to the Motion on behalf of the Mover, the Senate Majority Leader. Sen. Oketch Gicheru: Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. On behalf of the Senate Majority...

Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate and the Senate therefore stands adjourned until tomorrow, Thursday, 11th July, 2024 at 2.30 p.m. The Senate rose at 6.30 p.m. ADJOURNMENT Hon. Senators, it is now 6.30 p.m., time to adjourn the Senate and the Senate therefore...