Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to speak to this report. I congratulate Sen. Crystal Asige for being a true representative of persons with disability. I speak as one who belongs to the family of persons with disability. I speak as a mother of a...

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to contribute to this Bill. This is the easiest Bill to pass because it is about passing funds that have already been negotiated. Properly speaking, this is a Bill that should have passed ages ago. We have delayed for...

Sen. Wakili Sigei, proceed to ask your question in under one minute.

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir, for the opportunity to ask this Question and welcome Mr. CS to the Senate. I beg to ask the following Question-

Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. In his response to Sen. Hamida's question, the Hon. Cabinet Secretary referred to a reallocation of the funds that had been requested to renovate Nyayo House. I do not know whether the hon. The Cabinet Secretary is aware that the basement of that particular...

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Senator. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, you have five minutes only to respond.

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. I have two supplementary questions. Thank you, Cabinet Secretary for that answer. The answer makes one believe that we have a perfect system in place. However, you will agree with me that two weeks do not pass before we are told of a...

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to this report and to congratulate the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Education and the outgoing Members of the Committee, noting that I am also a Member. This is a very good report which I hope we...

Sen. Mumma Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I am not too sure that she has responded to the second one, on the reorganisation of KEMSA. February 26, 2025 SENATE DEBATES 10

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me this opportunity. Hon. Barasa, welcome to the Senate. We have been longing to ask you a number of questions and I am glad you have managed to come. My questions are as follows-

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have two supplementary questions. Thank you, Cabinet Secretary, for the answer although it was not brought prior. I was not able to read through but I appreciate what you have just presented. My two supplementary questions are as follows:

Thank you, Madam Temporary Chairperson. Like Sen. Wambua has said, the Mediation Committee and indeed the Standing Committee of this House on Finance and Budget have done the unthinkable. That we can all unanimously ask this Senate to defeat the President's desire. The President had wanted it to be at...

Sen. Mumma) : Mr. Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move– THAT, Clause 37 of the Bill be amended- Division will be at a later time when we have full delegations. We require two-thirds on this issue. We have now concluded and we will proceed to consideration of the next Bill...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, thank you for the question. First and foremost, I want to commend the Mediation Committee for the good work they have done. However, as you are aware, this money is actually a constitutional right for people in the counties. The larger population of this country is in...

When Sen. Cheruiyot called me last night, he told me I must be here. I came here to debate, not to be seen. To comment and defeat the Presidential December 4, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 16

You have resumed the debate? The Temporary Chairperson ( Sen. Mumma) :THAT, Clause 3 of the Bill be amended by deleting paragraph (a) and substituting therefor the following new paragraph―“(a)to promote a globally competitive cotton industry through regulation in collaboration with the County Governments;”.(Question of the amendment proposed) The Temporary...

How can a 48-year-old young man compete with my rights as the only elder in this House? Is he in order to mislead the country that a 40-year-old fellow can be an elder in the Republic of Kenya? Where would he get the wisdom to measure the qualities of being...

Thank you, Madam Temporary Chairperson. First, I would like to sincerely congratulate the Mediation team that sat down numerously. We were having a lot of push and pull, but I want to thank my Chair, Hon. Sen. Ali Roba, who has become an elder statesman in the way he has...

What is happening in our country is that, indeed, Kenyans are taxed heavily. The money is being collected and going to the national Government and county governments. However, when you look at whether there has been any effective utilization of these funds, you find that it is only a few...

County Government Budget Ceilings on Recurrent Expenditure in Financial Year 2024/25 (Figures in Kenya Shillings)County Assembly Ceilings County Executive Ceilings SNCounty FY 2023/24 FY 2024/25 FY 2023/24 FY 2024/25

Yes. The scenario that we have got is that, even when Kisii County received that money in the County Revenue Fund (CRF) account, it has got Kshs6.5 billion which is not being utilized. These are the challenges and issues that we must observe to make sure that even when we...

Sen. Mumma) : Thank you, Madam Temporary Chairperson. I see the Mover is smiling broadly because he knows I am happy to do this. I support the proposal by the Committee. Members need to understand that in this sitting, we are being called upon to defeat the Presidential Memorandum on...

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT consequential to the proposed amendments to the First Schedule, the Bill be amended by deleting the Second Schedule and replace thereof the following- SECOND SCHEDULE FY 2023/24 FY 2024/25 FY 2023/24 FY 2024/25 December 4, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 12

Sen. Mumma): Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that the Committee has considered and agreed with the Amendments by the National Assembly - THAT, Clause 32 of the Bill be amended- You are squandering your minutes.

The Temporary Chairperson ( Sen. Mumma): Sen. Mumma): I propose the question that the Second Schedule be approved. Mover.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, in conclusion, I appeal to the Speaker of the County Assembly of Kitui and the Governor of Kitui County to close ranks and work harmoniously to deliver services to the people of Kitui County. We need those services. We need the assembly to be vibrant. We need...

Sen. Mumma) : Mr. Temporary Chairperson, Sir, I beg to move that the Committee has considered and agreed with the Amendments by the National Assembly - THAT, Clause 27 of the Bill be amended- One minute, Kiio. (Sen. Cheruiyot spoke off record)

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I would maybe give my very few comments. Allow me to start by appreciating the Mediation Committee that looked at this particular process and were able to come to a positive conclusion. As far as the Schedule is concerned, as a committee, county assemblies appearing before us...

The Temporary Chairperson ( Sen. Mumma): Sen. Mumma): On a point of order. The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma) : Yes, what is your point of order?

Madam Temporary Chairperson, I rise on Standing Order No.105. Did you hear the Senator of Kisii County refer to Sen. Ali Roba as an elder? December 4, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 9

Sen. Mumma) : Sen. Mumma) :How can a 48-year-old young man compete with my rights as the only elder in this House? Is he in order to mislead the country that a 40-year-old fellow can be an elder in the Republic of Kenya? Where would he get the wisdom to...

Sen. Mumma):The Temporary Chairperson (Sen. Mumma): Proceed Sen. Oketch Gicheru. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Madam Temporary Chairperson, unfortunately, my friend and brother, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale thinks that you become wise, elderly and smart if you are old. It has nothing to do with age. It has a lot to do with the wisdom, the capacity and the ability for this individual to handle complex...

Sen. Mumma) : Madam Temporary Chairperson, I beg to move- THAT consequential to the proposed amendments to the First Schedule, the Bill be amended by deleting the Second Schedule and replace thereof the following- Yes, what is your point of order?

Sen. Mumma): Sen. Mumma): Mr. Temporary Chairman, Sir, I beg to move that the Committee has considered and agreed with the Amendments by the National Assembly- THAT, Clause 25 of the Bill be amended—

The Cabinet Secretary did not answer the question I asked on the criterion employed by the Ministry to identify beneficiaries of the Elimu Scholarship that is run by the Ministry. Based on the principle of equity, we may want to know exactly how they pick the beneficiaries.

Sen. Abass?

Just one, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, because we do not have time. October 30, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 52

There is a question that I asked and the Cabinet Secretary has not come out very well. I said in northern Kenya, we rely on teachers employed by the Board of Management (BoM) both in the primary and secondary schools. I asked whether the Ministry could train those teachers because...

Sen. Mumma Just one, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, because we do not have time.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed.

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Welcome, hon. Cabinet Secretary to the Senate. My question is on the information you have just given us of yearly deficits on capitation for secondary schools. Has the Ministry done an impact assessment on the continued failure to meet the required budget for...

Sen. Mumma

Senator of Murang’a, what is your clarification?

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I have one question related to the Principal Secretary (PS) in charge of higher education. What are the plans of the Ministry with regard to the Bomet University structure that has been there for the last two years? I remember I raised this question a year...

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, allow me to thank the Cabinet Secretary. In many years, I have hardly gotten such a comprehensive answer. You have given me an annexure of all the people who participated in the interview. I want you to take administrative action against the person in charge of...

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Sen. Mumma

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Hon. Cabinet Secretary, my follow-up question on this is whether the Ministry of Education has a policy regarding compensation of families of learners in the events of accidents, loss and deaths arising from events such as what happened in the case of...

Sen. MummaAdditionally, the Ministry does not have any legal and administrative mechanisms for monitoring these bursaries. He has further provided information that there are monies under the Presidential Bursary that he is not even aware of.Devolution includes both national Government and county governments. The function of delivering education, including primary...

Thank you, Senator. We will take the last question from Commissioner, Sen. Joyce, very quickly.

Sen. Mumma Cabinet Secretary, if you could please answer those questions very quickly. The Cabinet Secretary for Education (Hon. Ogamba) : Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir. After Sen. Kajwang’ congratulated us, I thought he was going to retain that congratulation, but he congratulated us and took it away immediately....

Sen. Mumma Mr. Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a statement from the Standing Committee on Labour and Social Welfare regarding the current regulations governing the Football Kenya Federation (FKF) and their alignment with the Constitution of Kenya. Mr. Speaker, Sir, it is public...

Sen. Mumma Dr. Mulwa, I have two related questions to you. One, is the return of bid bonds part of the procurement process? If it is part of the procurement process, would you say that a call from His Excellency Deputy President on this issue amounts to interfering with a...

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. My question to the witness is that we have been told by Dr. Mulwa that the people of Kenya lost money, time, the number of nets they were going to get and services. October 17, 2024 SENATE DEBATES 41 Sen. MummaNow, does EACC...

Sen. Mumma Thank you, Hon. Speaker, Sir, for giving me an opportunity to contribute to this. I wish to support sentiments by previous speakers, but wish to point out a very important issue when it comes to the Preliminary Objection Motion on the threshold. I would like to point out...