ODHIAMBO, MILLIE GRACE AKOTH

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. Just so that I know how to organise my thoughts, how many minutes will we each have to speak? You have five minutes. Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving us this opportunity to contribute to the Motion because we did not get a chance to do...

Hon. Speaker, Baba was larger than life. That is why it is very difficult to imagine his demise. Speaking to many people, I discovered that they have still not yet come to terms with the fact that Baba is no more. I have engaged with several politicians and leaders, even...

Why not sing it?

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker.

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for indulging me. I do apologise for being late. I was involved in issues of my constituency. Hon. Speaker, I beg to lay the following Paper on the Table: Report of the Parliamentary Delegation to the 150th Assembly of the Inter-

Once again, thank you for indulging me, Hon. Speaker. I beg to give notice of the following Motion: THAT, this House notes the Report of the Parliamentary Delegation to the 150th Assembly of the Inter-Parliamentary Union (IPU) and related meetings held in Tashkent, Uzbekistan from 5th to 9th April 2025,...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity. Let me take this chance to thank Hon. Nyikal for co- sponsoring this Bill together with Senator Beatrice, who comes from my county of Homa Bay. It is said that great minds think alike. I congratulate Senator Beatrice for the...

Thank you, Hon, Deputy Speaker. I second. I also thank Hon. Kimilu for bringing this Bill. I am very passionate about social workers. As he mentioned, my mother was a social worker. I was raised by a social worker and witnessed the excellent work she did for the community first-hand....

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Speaker. What is out of order, Hon. Millie? Hon. Temporary Speaker, it is not often that we get to do or say this. I therefore seek your indulgence. Firstly, I am very happy that you have taken over as a "Madam Speaker" from...

Thank you. Hon. Temporary Speaker, you notice that this is the second time, this afternoon, that we have talked about victims. There were Internally Displaced Persons (IDPs) who were victims of post-election violence, and then Wagalla Massacre victims who suffered excessive state power. I brought before this House the Victim...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. I thank the Mover of this Bill and support it, albeit with reservations. These reservations arise from the issues raised by Hon. (Dr) Oundo. He has articulated significant concerns regarding a recent Court decision which determined that all money Bills must originate from this House....

Yes, the National Board and the treasurer. By the time you are doing that, you should not be in Parliament; you should just go home. The NG-CDF funds are very minimal. If you look at the money used for constructing a class, nobody would want to steal that amount of...

I know Hon. KJ wants to raise a point of order. But I would like to remind him that he cannot compare Nairobi to the rural areas. It is actually a point of information. Do you wish to be informed? Yes, Hon. Temporary Speaker, I wish to be informed.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker. It would be nice for us to visit each other's constituencies. I understand the crisis you are facing in Nairobi, particularly with the high population of children. You do not have the land to build schools, or in places where land is available, the buildings...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I just want to go on record that I have the responses for the request for statements by Hon. Ekwom Nabuin and Hon. Suleka Harun but both of them are not in the House. An hon. Member : He is here. 8th October 2025 NATIONAL...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. I think the challenge is with the Chairpersons. Members are in the House. Many of them have come in and some are at the tea places. Hon. Deputy Speaker, I want to respond to a Request for a Statement by Hon. Ekwom Nabuin, Member of...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. My preference was more of a directorate. However, as part of harmonisation, I was willing to let go. I support the amendment towards the KMPDC and a Committee of the KMPDC that was proposed by Hon. Kaluma. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) :...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, in light of what I had said earlier, I support. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Thank you. I do not see any other interest in this. (Question, that the words to be left out be left out, put and agreed to) (Question, that the...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Before we put the Question, I need directions because I want to propose a further amendment on the Floor of the House. We harmonised the amendments, but I noticed there was a problem in Clause 7 (c) of the Bill. It talks about National Health...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, can I then propose that Hon. Nyikal’s amendment is passed and then I move my amendment in Clause 7 (c) of the Bill? I do not know whether we have already passed Hon. Nyikal’s amendment. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Get ready. It will...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Hon. Nyikal is worried about something over which he wants to go on record because we agreed 90 per cent during the harmonisation process. We did not agree on about three clauses that Hon. Kaluma wanted to prosecute himself. He is not here. Out of...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. This is one of the clauses that we agreed on. Currently, this area is not regulated. This basically means that no person shall make use of any human reproductive material for purposes of creating an embryo unless the donor of the material has given written...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I support the amendment, except that this amendment talks to the removal of a human reproductive material from a body of a donor after their death. That cannot happen unless the person gave informed written consent. Organ donation has to be done with written informed consent. The...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Let me also take this opportunity to welcome the students who are here, and especially to encourage the young girls. I know the Hon. Member was saying earlier that he sat there at one time and looked down, and now he is in Parliament. When...

I just wanted a clarification. Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I have heard the Chair of the Committee saying that he is only amending the word ‘child.’ What I have here indicates that we are doing much more than that. I do not know if I am the one who has it...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I know it is in my interest and in the interest of the House that we move very quickly but because there has also been a bit of misinformation about this Bill, it is good to put some things on record, and part of what...

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Let me call first before we have a point of order. Actually Chairman, you still have more to move because we called the whole of clause 20. Would you like to prosecute all amendments...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. In fact, in line with what the Chairman has said, I wanted to propose a further amendment to delete the word ‘and’ between parts (a) and (b) in subclause 2, which says: “ (2) Where the ovum of a woman or an embryo, the creation...

For example, if you are married with a child even if the child is not through assisted reproduction, if your wife dies, that is your child. You do not need to sign anywhere. With the word ‘and’ there, this clause has a totally different meaning. I am, therefore, proposing that...

They are married.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I beg to move a further amendment to the amendment by the Chairman: THAT, Clause 20 of the Bill be amended in subclause (2) by deleting the word “and” appearing after subclause 2 (a) and substituting therefore the word “or”. Thank you. (Question of the...

Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support the Chairman's amendment, which gives better protection to children born of assisted reproduction. I just noticed, and you will guide me on this, that I wanted to make a further amendment to the title, which is Part Four - Rights of Parents, Donors and...

Yes, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. This is one of the areas where I disagreed with the Committee. They said that once you provide rights for everyone, that is sufficient. However, because we know that intersex persons have very unique needs, I thought it necessary to mention them specifically. Clause 22 provides...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The reason I disagreed with the Committee on this is that you cannot compare an intersex person with a deaf person when you are talking about reproductive issues. An intersex person presents two organs, both male and female. That, therefore, means they will unnecessarily face...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I wish to support that provision by the Committee. They are providing clarity on what should be done with gametes in the future. This is not really my area, but the Committee provided excellent technical expertise. This is one of those areas where I appreciate...

I support this. I wanted to remind the Chair that we have not yet moved the amendment regarding the preservation of this Bill for Kenyans. I notice it is coming much earlier, so we might have to recommit to provide

On a point of order, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : What is out of order, Hon. Millie Odhiambo? Thank you Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I am just trying to make your life a little more difficult based on what you have just said. If you...

Thank you Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I wish to support the proposed amendments by the Hon. Chairperson of the 8th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 29 Committee. Upon reflection on where I wanted to oppose, I have seen that I can live with the wording. My concern is about something that...

Yes. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Okay. You may proceed. Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. I support Hon. (Dr) Nyikal. He is technical sometimes because of brevity. He is not explaining that the reason he is deleting some words and substituting them with the word “Constitution” is...

On a point of information, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. The Temporary Chairlady (Hon. (Dr) Rachael Nyamai) : Hon. Members, it is completely out of order. I can do it when I am not seated where I am now. I can encourage that debate. Unfortunately, I cannot go to Clause 28 of...

Thank you. I know this is one of those difficult issues. I understand Hon. Irene that culturally, sometimes there are people who are divorced because they do not have sons or daughters. There are people who may mainly want sons. Some people may want to go into assisted reproduction so...

I like it when you help, Hon. Temporary Chairlady.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. Other than the fact that I love it when there are Hon. Lady Speakers, I am not too sure where the Hon. Member for Nandi is getting that from. I have looked at the proposed amendments by the Chair and I have also looked at...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Chairlady. 8th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 48 I wish to support the Committee, especially on New Clause 19A to limit the number of times a person can donate their gametes or embryos to 10. The reason being that if you have more children born through...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I wish to support this proposal because of the possibility of tourism. I agree with the Committee on restricting this to Kenyan citizens only. This consideration is in the best interest of the child, as it allows for better monitoring of children born through assisted reproduction within...

Hon. Temporary Chairlady, I beg to move that the Committee report to the House its consideration of the Assisted 8th October 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 59 Reproductive Technology Bill (National Assembly Bill No.61 of 2022) except for Clauses 3, 8, 14, 27, 30 and 52 and its approval thereof with...

Hon. Deputy Speaker, I beg to move that the House do agree with the Committee in the said report. I request Hon. Sunkuli to second the Motion for agreement with the report of the Committee of the whole House.

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity. May I take this opportunity to add my voice in appreciating the programme as a very good initiative. I had actually initiated a similar programme in my constituency called “My Time”, which is called the Mbita Youth Training, Innovation, Mentorship...

Hon. Speaker, thank you. As a Manchester United fan, I cannot sit in this House while the Leader of the Minority Party casts aspersions on the great team. We sympathise with small teams like Arsenal, which my husband supports. Useless teams! I hope my husband is not watching this. (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker, for giving me this opportunity. If there is one individual I truly admire, it is Hon. Raila Amolo Odinga. He is a person who stands firmly on principle; even if he is the only one remaining, he upholds those principles. I have learnt from the best,...

On a point of order, Hon. Speaker. What is it, Hon. Millie? Hon. Speaker, I do not want to interrupt the Leader of the Majority Party. Hon. Jane Njeri just walked into the House and I must make a comment. I know she fears because her political leaning nowadays has...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to second that Motion, and to thank Hon. Osoro for ceding his position and allowing me to be the Chief Whip of the Majority Party. I do not mind. This is a fairly straightforward matter. Many of us know that we were scheduled to...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Yes, Hon. Millie Odhiambo. What is your point of order? Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Out of courtesy, I wish to notify the House that on that day, we will be in Homa Bay for the devolution conference. I will designate a...

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise to second that Motion, and to thank Hon. Osoro for ceding his position and allowing me to be the Chief Whip of the Majority Party. I do not mind. This is a fairly straightforward matter. Many of us know that we were scheduled to...

On a point of order, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Yes, Hon. Millie Odhiambo. What is your point of order? Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker. Out of courtesy, I wish to notify the House that on that day, we will be in Homa Bay for the devolution conference. I will designate a...

Thank you, Hon. Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to contribute. I wish to support the Bill, but I will not lima like Hon. Zamzam. (Laughter) 6th August 2025 NATIONAL ASSEMBLY DEBATES 25 legacy. Unfortunately, he died too young. So, he did not build his legacy. However, I am...

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity to welcome the students on your behalf. I wish to welcome the students of Kapsabet Boys Junior School and the girls from Ogande Girls High School. For obvious reasons, I have a bias towards Ogande Girls High School. First, is...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I think you have noticed Hon. Caroli is exceptionally excited today. Can he declare his interest that he used to have a girlfriend in Ogande Girls High School in his days? (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. Temporary Speaker for giving me this opportunity to welcome the students on your behalf. I wish to welcome the students of Kapsabet Boys Junior School and the girls from Ogande Girls High School. For obvious reasons, I have a bias towards Ogande Girls High School. First, is...

Hon. Temporary Speaker, I think you have noticed Hon. Caroli is exceptionally excited today. Can he declare his interest that he used to have a girlfriend in Ogande Girls High School in his days? (Laughter)

Thank you, Hon. Speaker. I rise on a point of order regarding a different issue. I have noted with concern that there are many students visiting Parliament. While it is good for students and pupils to visit Parliament, as an expert in child protection, the current numbers are concerning. There...