Murungi Kathuri

From where I sit, I see we have no quorum. That has been confirmed. So, I request the Bell to be rung for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Ring the Quorum Bell again for five minutes. Majority Whip, approach the Chair with immediate effect. (The Quorum Bell was...

There are few requests, I do not know whether they are on the same matter. Sen. Maanzo, you have the Floor.

Okay. Next Order. PAPERS LAID REPORT OF THE PARLIAMENT OF KENYA DELEGATION TO THE 145TH ASSEMBLY OF IPU

Okay, Vice-Chaiperson, Parliamentary Service Commission. ANNUAL REPORT OF THE PARLIAMENTARY SERVICE COMMISSION FOR THE FY 2021/2022

I thank you. Next Order. NOTICES OF MOTIONS DROUGHT MITIGATION PROGRAMME IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS

Next Notice of Motion is by Sen. Kavindu Muthama. COMPENSATION TO KENYAN VICTIMS OF THE 1998 USA EMBASSY BOMBING

Thank you, Senator. Next is Sen. Mungatana, MGH with a Notice of Motion. NOTING OF RECORD OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE FIRST ORDINARY SESSION OF THE SIXTH PARLIAMENT OF PAP

Thank you. The Senate Majority Whip, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed. NOTING OF REPORT OF PARLIAMENT OF KENYA DELEGATION TO THE 145TH ASSEMBLY OF IPU

Thank you. Next Order. STATEMENTS We have a couple of Statements. We will start with Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC, Senator for Kisumu County. If my record is right, you have three Statements.

For neater work, start with the one on misuse of firearms. MISUSE OF FIREARMS BY KWS OFFICERS IN KISUMU COUNTY

Thank you. The three Statements to be considered by the relevant Committees. (Statements referred to relevant Committees) Sen. Sifuna, the Nairobi Senator. ALLEGED PLAN BY THE MINISTRY OF HEALTH TO RESTRICT HEALTH WORKS FROM SEEKING EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES BROAD

Very well. What is out of order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale?

I can see several requests on this Statement. Majority Leader?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale should do that. He has said the Government wants to stop non-practising allowance. I do not know whether he is also interested to get paid by the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) . Proceed, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

If you want to comment on the Statement, you have two minutes each The time you take from your seat to the Dispatch Box is 30 seconds.

Sen. Osotsi, do you want to comment on this? Your card has been on for quite some time. I am confused.

Asante sana, Naibu wa Spika. Ningependa kuchangia yale ambaye mwenzangu Seneta wa Nairobi ametaja kwamba kwa usanjari huo kuhusiana na mkataba wa madaktari na mishahara yao. Ni kinaya na kejeli kwamba Serikai ina mkataba na wahudumu madaktari kutoka Cuba ambao kwa mwezi mmoja, daktari mmoja anatukamua sisi Wakenya million moja...

What is your point of order?

If hon. Senators would minimize request to make comments on Statements, then we can read three or four Statements, then we clear. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM SABIS INTERNATIONAL SCHOOL, RUNDA Hon. Senators, we have visiting students and teachers from Sabis International School, Nairobi City County, in the...

Kindly proceed, the Senator for Nairobi County.

Sen. M. Kajwang’, what is your point of order.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, as a resident of Kiambu County, I would like to welcome the delegation from Sabis International School, Runda. It is a school that I am very well familiar with because I have previously taken my son there for an interview. In as much as he was...

(Laughter)

Hon. Senators, as requested by the Majority Leader and the leadership of the House, there are a few other Statements that I may suspend for a few minutes. Let us dispense off with the business appearing in Order No. 8 on the Order Paper then we will come back to...

Senators, you have no powers to vote on behalf of your colleagues. DIVISION ROLL CALL VOTING Draw the Bars and open the doors. Now, let us go to the previous Order again and clear the Statements. Let us get the Statement from Sen. Chute. (Resumption of debate on Statements) AYES:...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise, pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget regarding re-introduction of Bank charges on mobile wallets such as Mpesa, Airtel Money and T-Kash. In the Statement, the Committee should- RE-INTRODUCTION OF...

We will consolidate the comments at the end of the next three Statements. The next Statement is from Sen. Crystal Asige. (Sen. Crystal Asige spoke off record) Did you have a Statement to make?

Okay.

Sen. Kibwana and Sen. Tabitha Mutinda are not on the House. Their statements are therefore deferred to the next sitting. Let us have at least two comments from both sides of the House. Sen. Kisang, the Floor is yours.

Sen. Seki Lenku, you may have the Floor.

I had read two Statements which the owners were not around. However, since we agreed this is the week of forgiveness, I will give them a chance to give their Statements. Proceed, Sen. Kibwana. (Sen. Orwoba spoke off record) Later. Proceed, Sen. Kibwana. I am giving you the opportunity to...

How can you call for a point of order when you are walking? We must have order, Sen. Orwoba. You are raising your finger when walking and raising a point of order.

What is your point of order?

Who are you challenging now in that aspect?

Who has refused your Motion to be read?

What is out of order, Sen. Orwoba? I do not get you. All those issues are in the Order Paper. Consult your machine.

Proceed, Sen. Kibwana.

Proceed, Sen. Chute.

The Clerks or the Chair? She is challenging the Chair.

She is completely out of order. Proceed, Sen. Kibwana.

Sen. M. Kajwang’ you are eating into the next Order. What is it Sen. M. Kajwang’?

Proceed, Sen. Kibwana; can you expedite. Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Lands Environment and Natural resources on the steps taken to achieve Kenya’s greenhouse gas emissions reduction targets set out...

Sen. Kibwana, the Statement I have is totally different from what you are reading.

Only one was recorded. You cannot read something I do not have. Otherwise, you can read “mwakenya” in the House.

The one which is approved is the influx of Cuban doctors. The other one might be pending. Kindly read this one.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I rise pursuant to Standing Order No. 53 (1) , to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Finance and Budget regarding claims of fraudulent activities involving customer’s accounts at various Kenyan banks. In the Statement, the Committee should- FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES INVOLVING VARIOUS...

Sen. Tabitha Mutinda, you have made your Statement unless any other Member can be able to support.

I cannot see anybody interested in saying something on that. (Loud consultations) STATUS OF IMPLEMENTATION OF THE LEGAL AID ACT, NO. 6 OF 2016

Let us get a few comments from Sen. Kinyua, Senator for Laikipia County. Please limit yourself to one and a half minutes.

What is your point of order Sen. Oketch Gicheru?

You are now eating into the good time you are requesting Sen. Kinyua to have.

Sen. Kinyua, please conclude your comments.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, you may proceed. You will allow me to give two more Members, then we make progress.

Last but not least, Sen. Olekina.

(Laughter)

Just a minute, Sen. Cheruiyot, the Uasin Gishu Senator wants to inform you on something.

Did you want to inform the Senate Majority Leader?

Thank you.

Thank you, the Senate Majority Leader. All Statements that came under Standing Order No.53 (1) stand committed to their respective Standing Committees of the Senate. (Statements referred to respective Standing Committees) Next order. Is the Mover of the Bill, Sen. M. Kajwang’ around? He is not around. So, we will...

Sen. Mungatana, you start by stating that you seek to move that the Bill be read a Second Time.

Proceed.

Did you say, mla ---

(Laughter)[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) in the Chair] Yes. Mla mamba, sorry. The crocodile eater. (Laughter) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) in the Chair]

Hon. Senators, we want to confirm whether we have quorum. Clerk, kindly advise. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted with the Deputy Speaker) Kindly ring the quorum Bell for five minutes. (The Quorum Bell was rung) Let us transact the business of the day. COMMUNICATIONS FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM MAKUENI UNIVERSITY...

Sen. Cheptumo, you may proceed.

Sen. Okenyuri

The Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot?

Asante. Nikiendelea na Kiswahili na tukimalizia, Sen. Maanzo ni rafiki yangu ambaye tumejuana kutoka mwaka wa 2013 wakati tuliingia Bunge la Taifa. Ningependa kuwaambia hawa wanafunzi wa Makueni kwamba wakifuata maadili, heshima na utendakazi uadilifu wa Sen. Maanzo, wataenda mbali. Sen. Okenyuri, umewashauri wakina dada wale wako pale vile wataendelea...

Thank you Senator. You are the Government. I am happy that you are one of the “bottom up” Senators that we have in this House. Therefore, your encouragement is quite in order. Let us have one encouragement from Sen. Cheptumo. He is a veteran leader in Parliament.

Thank you, Sen. Cheptumo. Most of the students might be aspiring to be professors and lawyers. Therefore, let us hear from Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda who is a distinguished Senior Counsel in this Republic.

Thank you, Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda, SC. This House has two professors. I would be very unfair if I also do not recognize Sen. (Prof.) Kamar, the Deputy Speaker Emeritus, to also give a word of counsel to our students.

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Asante sana, Seneta wa Kaunti ya Bungoma. Lakini, kuna methali moja umebuni leo sijasikia tena; panapo vijana chipukizi, wazee hutoa jasho. (Laughter) VISITING DELEGATION FROM ST. ANNE, GITUBA GIRLS SECONDARY SCHOOL, KIRINYAGA COUNTY In the Public Gallery, we have 49 students, accompanied by three teachers from St. Anne, Gituba Girls’...

Asante sana. VISITING DELEGATION FROM PIONEER GIRLS’ SCHOOL, MURANG’A COUNTY Hon. Senators, in the Public Gallery, we have 61 students accompanied by five teachers from Pioneer Girls’ Secondary School in Murang’a County. They are in the Senate on an educational tour. Hon. Senators, in our usual tradition of receiving and...

Hon. Senators, I have another Communication to make this afternoon. It is in regard to changes in the leadership of the Senate Minority Side. CHANGES IN THE LEADERSHIP OF THE SENATE MINORITY PARTY (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) Yes, I am making my Communication. I will give you time to speak...

On a point of order. (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) I must make my communication and then--- An

was not a matter before the Tribunal and was, therefore, not covered by the Order of the Tribunal.Sen. Sifuna thus urged the Chair to separate matters that were not covered by the Order issued by the Tribunal and to, therefore, give directions on the matter of the seat of the...

(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair] (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) in the Chair] POINT OF ORDER REQUEST TO THE DEPUTY SPEAKER TO STEP DOWN COMMUNICATION ON MINORITY LEADERSHIP AND TO RESCIND HIS ORDER ON SUSPENSION OF SENATORS...

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika.

Senate Minority Leader, proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. You were properly in order. (Sen. Orwoba approached the Chair) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to address you. Proceed.

I will say the second thing. It is such a time as this that leaders demonstrate their abilities. It is at a time of crisis that true leadership is shown. The challenge for all of us, not just for those of us who have been named by the Deputy Speaker,...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Whatever that happened in this Chamber is highly regretted. I hope that we can carry ourselves with decorum and look into the future in a more progressive way. Sometimes, things degenerate out of provocation. Like I said, I do not have a lot to...

That said, if there was any act that was demeaning, that I might have done in this case unknowingly, I do apologize.I thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity. Indeed, what happened in this House this afternoon was a real disgrace because the Deputy Speaker was actually disrespected. We almost became a market place because we were not even following the rules of the House. In the interest of some...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. This is a House of honour and the seat of the Speaker is very important for us to transact business on behalf of the people who elected us. We have serious matters pending before this House, for instance, the Division of Revenue Bill. University...

While you were away for a short break, a few ugly scenarios of exchanges happened, that had to involve leaders such us to come in. We are extremely mature and responsible leaders. Unfortunately, we are all politicians and political interest comes to play from time to time.It is extremely respectful...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity. I want to quote scriptures. The Bible says, we have all got short of God’s glory. No one is holier than God. We are limited as human beings. We all bear our superscription of God because we were created by God....

(Applause)

Sen. Murango, proceed. (Laughter) (Laughter)

If there are any controversial communications, it will be good for the leadership to consult if possible and maybe discuss, before coming to the Floor of the House.Finally, the Senator for Kirinyaga County said he has some issues. The issue arose from the fact that the students had been told...

Asante Bw. Naibu Spika kwa kunipa fursa hii. Nitachukua dakika moja tu wala sio mbili. Kwanza, ninatoa shukrani kubwa kuona Kiongozi wa Wengi na wa Wachache, wamekaa chini pamoja na Commissioner Omogeni na kuzungumza ili kupata suluhisho. Kusema kweli, huu ni muhula wangu wa pili katika Bunge la Seneti; Bunge...

(Applause)

(Laughter) (Laughter) Hon. Senators, I have a Petition by Mr. Paulo Mosbei concerning the historical injustices suffered by the Torobeek Community. Hon. Senators, I hereby report to the Senate that a Petition has been submitted to the Senate by Mr. Paulo Mosbei concerning the historical injustices suffered by the Torobeek...

In the last Parliament, we also adopted a report on the historical injustices against the Talai community. From where you sit, even your behavior, you are looking like a Talai. So, all those issues in that report were adopted and---.

Yes, what is out of order?

Yes, what is out of order?

What did he say I look like? That was the point of order.

giving them cash to resettle and compensating them. These are the people that have suffered.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in conclusion, most of our people in Nandi County suffered especially in Tinderet and parts of Nandi Hills. I saw an expose by British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) about sex for work in...

He lacks only the wisdom from the grey hair. Sen. Cherarkey, please proceed and conclude.

I thank you. Next Order. PAPERS LAID Senate Majority Whip, do you have instructions to lay any Papers?

Mr. Speaker, Sir, am I safe? (Loud consultations) I was just exercising my powers as a Whip but not at the right time. It does not make sense to me that after you have spent an entire afternoon trying to return the House to an orderly way of doing business,...

We have a series of Statements. We will start with Sen. Wambua. (Loud consultations) Mr. Speaker, Sir, am I safe? (Loud consultations) Sen. Cherarkey, just consult Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. He is just across. STATEMENTS Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, can you be clear on this matter because two Senators are not comfortable?...

You know when you become emotional, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you begin singing. (Laughter) Do not exchange with the Deputy Speaker in that manner. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, can you be clear on this matter because two Senators are not comfortable? They are already traumatized.

You know when you become emotional, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, you begin singing. (Laughter)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Land, Environment and Natural Resources on the afforestation programme in Arid and Semi-Arid Lands (ASALs) . In the Statement, the Committee should- [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the...

Hon. Senators, I want the Clerk to ascertain whether we have quorum. (The Clerk-at-the-Table ascertained that there was quorum) Let us proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Yes, what is out of order? The Senate Minority Leader (

You are out of order, Senate Minority Leader. The Senate Minority Leader (

What do you expect me to do when we get to Order No.2? Is it to sit or stand, so that I can give any communication? (Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale) spoke off record)

Can the Senators kindly have their seats? Hon. Senators, as you may recall, at the Sitting of the Senate held on Wednesday, 15th February, 2023, the Senate Minority Leader rose on a point of order seeking the directions of the Chair regarding a proposed change in the leadership of the...

Kindly, I am following a list here. You have already placed you card. Just have your cool and wait. I will give you that opportunity. Senate Majority Leader, Sen. Cheruiyot, you have the Floor.

Sen. Madzayo, I request you to refrain from that cross-exchange.

I am happy. Today, I want us to debate like hon. Senators. Hammer you points properly and sit down; another Senator will come and take over.

If you read Standing Order No.103 - and I am happy that I am in this House with my colleague, Senior Counsel Sen. (Prof.) Tom Ojienda - it prescribes that even when there are proceedings that can be deemed to be sub judice, there is a way you bring those...

(Laughter)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, do not be intimidated by me or the Senate Minority Leader. Walk the narrow path of the rule of law. There is a court order against you ruling on this thing. Wait. When it is discharged, do your work. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, do not listen...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I hope that your children are watching. I will be saying a few things, and I hope that I can inspire them to be future senators of Nairobi. First, I am happy that we have come to this juncture. I was imploring you last week to...

Thank you. Sen. Cheptumo, proceed.

(Applause)(Applause) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I hope that your children are watching. I will be saying a few things, and I hope that I can inspire them to be future senators of Nairobi. First, I am happy that we have come to this juncture. I was imploring you last week...

Thank you. Sen. Cheptumo, proceed.

I am surprised at my senior brother, Sen. Madzayo. There was no ruling that came from that Chair. The then Speaker, Hon. Lusaka, just noted the changes. He did not even give a ruling.I remember the former Senator of Elgeyo-Marakwet County, who is currently a Cabinet Secretary (CS), requested for...

Hon. Senators, I want to give another round of few minutes to two more speakers from each side. They will each have three minutes. We are almost in the second hour. Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

I said that I am adding my voice to a discourse that has been before his House for the last four sittings; a discourse that was initiated by the Minority side, but largely now of interest to the Majority side. (Laughter) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is not a legal...

Okay. Proceed, Sen. Mungatana.

Samahani, kuna ombi limefika hapa la dharura kutoka Sen. Crystal Asige.

Thank you. Your time is up. Proceed, Sen. Kinyua.

Thank you, Senator of Makueni. That will actually relieve this Chair from all this agony. If you are in my shoes, you must know what I am carrying on my shoulders. I can see today Sen. Sifuna is really sympathetic to me. (Laughter) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I...

(Laughter)

Sen. Onyonka, who are you informing? Sen. Oburu Odinga? (Laughter)

Senior, what is it again?

Sen. Catherine Mumma, are you trying to compete with the elder? That you are complaining that I have given him a minute? (Laughter)

Sen. Onyonka, who are you informing? Sen. Oburu Odinga?

No. You know I have been so lenient the whole of the afternoon and now you are taking me back again to the same thing we have concluded. (The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) spoke off record) So, who is the owner of the Court order? I did not draft...

Sen. Onyonka, just a minute. I will give you a chance--- (Loud consultations)

Order, Sen. Onyonka! Hon. Senators, I am making my second Communication. VISITING DELEGATION FROM MOODY AWORI PRIMARY SCHOOL, BUSIA COUNTY Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we just want guidance on when the communication that is not covered by the court order will be made. That is all. We will go to...

What is it, Sen. Sifuna?

I am able to multitask. Proceed.

Sen. Sifuna, the issue of “when” is what has caused this problem. If there is anything that has not been covered by the court order, I will look into the court order and then communicate. However, for the when and how, leave it to my Office to communicate. You also...

Sen. Osotsi, I thought you should now be crafting a communication because you are an expert in this matter. (Laughter)

Sen. Abdul Haji, proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise on Standing Order No. 2 on interpretation of the Standing Orders. Let us not act as if we just dropped out of school yesterday. We are guided by these Standing Orders. These Standing Orders define what a Whip is. What you are being invited...

Who has violated the Standing Orders?

Sen. Onyonka, I gave guidance on the way forward. I want us to make progress. Kindly, next order. Sen. Wamatinga, please proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, with all due respect---

So, what is out of order?

Who has violated the Standing Orders?

Next Order.

Sen. Wamatinga, please proceed. (Loud consultations) NOTICE OF MOTION ENHANCING HIGHWAY SAFETY AND CONVENIENCE

Thank you. Next Order. STATEMENTS We have several Statements. We will start with Sen. Wamatinga. That is if you still have some energy or you can wait for the next one. FORM ONE INTAKE IN THE COUNTRY

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, I rise Pursuant to Standing Order No.53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations on the acquisition and distribution of relief supplies by the County Government of Marsabit and neighbouring counties sourced by the Counties Development Fund. In...

Yes, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. AFFORESTATION PROGRAMME IN ARID AND SEMI-ARID LANDS (ASALS) ACQUISITION AND DISTRIBUTION OF RELIEF SUPPLIES BY THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT OF MARSABIT AND NEIGHBOURING COUNTIES

Thank you, Sen. Chute. We have two other Statements from Sen. Murango. OWNERSHIP STATUS AND REVIVAL OF MWEA COTTON GINNERY

Thank you. Sen. Githuku, proceed. STATUS OF LAND DISCHARGE PROCESS IN LAMU COUNTY

Sen. Tobiko, do you have a Statement?

Proceed. UNACCEPTABLE DISCIPLINARY MEASURES METED AGAINST CHILDREN BY UNCOUTH INDIVIDUALS

Kindly, let us go to the next Order.

What is it, Sen. Peris Tobiko?

Thank you, Sen. Okiya Omtatah. We are limited by time. I want to give a chance to one more Senator. Sen. Cherarkey, you have done enough today. What you said earlier this afternoon is enough for the people of Nandi. Let us give Sen. Mutinda this chance. Proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, what Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale is raising is a concern. I thought it is good to just share that once a Member raises a question or a Statement, we take up the issues with the relevant ministry. When a written answer is obtained from the ministry, it...

I am constrained with time. I give Sen. Orwoba one minute. [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair]

Sen. Cheptumo, whom do you want to inform? He is no longer on the Floor.

Madam Temporary Speaker, I am winding up. The report must be tabled.

I am constrained with time. I give Sen. Orwoba one minute.

I ascertain that we have quorum. So, let us transact business. Please proceed. The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir.

Which Standing Order is your point of order from? The Senate Minority Leader (

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I can see requests and interventions.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you for this opportunity. I rise to inquire from the Chair’s desk on the Communication that the Chair promised to deliver in terms of the leadership of the Minority side. We know from history that what goes around comes around. I am a bit perplexed...

I can see requests and interventions. Can you kindly execute your issues without referring to the---

Order, Sen. Olekina. You are a renowned outstanding Senator for Narok County.

Of course, you know the Standing Orders do not allow you to discuss, leave alone the Speaker, but the conduct of any Kenyan who is not here to defend himself.

Can you kindly execute your issues without referring to the---

I have been very lenient to you.

I appreciate that Mr. Speaker, Sir. but let us respect--- (Loud consultations) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, it is a little bit ludicrous and we will not allow. I have respect for the Speaker and we will not allow this sort of gaging. (Loud consultations) Are you done? I want to...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I said yesterday that I have no interest whatsoever in the leadership that the minority side choose to bring. What I will not allow is for us--- (Loud Consultations) I appreciate that Mr. Speaker, Sir. but let us respect--- (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

Thank you, Deputy Minority Whip. (Loud Consultations)

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, kindly resume you seat. Senate Majority Leader, please, proceed.

I wanted to make a very simple proposal that the Senate Minority Leader has asked you a very simple question that they came yesterday with a letter to you and they expected the Speaker to give a communication on the same.

Senate Majority Leader, stop exchanging across the aisle.

Thank you. (Loud Consultations) I wanted to make a very simple proposal that the Senate Minority Leader has asked you a very simple question that they came yesterday with a letter to you and they expected the Speaker to give a communication on the same. Okay it can be even...

Senate Majority Leader, proceed. The Senate Majority Leader (

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this is my point of order. It is not synchronised with the Senate Minority Leader. We do not and I do not expect a ruling. If you are going to give a ruling, then you will be taking powers that do not belong to you. The...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. We will not rise to the attempts by the Senator for Homa Bay County to invite me and the Chair to the bad manners of name-calling. The point of order raised by Sen. Madzayo is important, if we are true to the Standing Orders...

We did. I beg you to listen to me even if I am wrong. If you do not know, I am now informing you. We sat yesterday and the Senate Majority Leader was invited to communicate any change to the Membership of House Committees he had communicated. The same day,...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, that opportunity will have been lost. If you want to be informed, it should be right away.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, speaking with the dignity that is bestowed to us by this House, the Speaker then informed Sen. Madzayo to organize his changes, write to him and the matter will be processed. (Loud consultations) Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, no, because he did not sit in the Committee...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, proceed and conclude.

Proceed and conclude. I am not able to give them any opportunity to contribute because you are also on a point of order. I was circumventing through a point of information.

Sen. Cherarkey and the Senate Minority Leader, have your seats. Hon. Senators, resume your seats. I will listen to everyone present in this House today. Sen. Sifuna, when you come to the Chair waving the Constitution, how do I give you the opportunity to speak when you are just in...

Senate Minority Leader, I gave you an opportunity after Order No.2 was read. What did you ask the Chair to do? The Senate Minority Leader (

Hautanitisha. These are the numbers and numbers do not lie. Protect me--- (Loud Consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) Next order. Just a minute. Let me also give some more guidance. When the Speaker leaves his desk to preside over the House, we do not carry any documents from the office....

Sen. Sifuna---

Sen. Sifuna, you must be orderly. Make your contribution facing the Speaker.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I would like to read Article 107 which states- “1) At any sitting of a House of Parliament— (Loud consultations) Standing Order No.45--- (Sen. Sifuna spoke off record) Sen. Sifuna, kindly let us have order in this House. (Loud consultations) On a point of Order, Mr....

You have all the time. Three minutes are too little. (Loud consultations)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have re-organized the Order Paper before. Do not be invited to the circus that I am seeing here. (Loud consultations)

Sen. Cherarkey, stop engaging other Members. Conclude your prosecution.

Sen. Cherarkey, you have been heard. Thank you very much.

You have concluded.

(Loud consultations)

No point of Order. Nothing is out of Order, Sen. Osotsi.

Majority Leader, kindly, have your cool also. (Loud consultations)

Next Order. I have made a very good ruling on this matter. (Loud consultations) Ai, kwani unatisha nani wewe? Peleka huko. Kwenda kabisa. Hon. Senators, I have a Message from the Speaker of the County Assembly of Nyandarua.

You do not conduct business by force. Sen. Oketch Gicheru and Sen. Sifuna, I do not want to mention the third Senator who I have been lenient to. I wanted to give an opportunity to the elder of the House to give some guidance. However, you are out-powering him with...

Next Order. I have made a very good ruling on this matter. (Loud consultations) MESSAGE FROM NYANDARUA COUNTY ASSEMBLY RESOLUTION ON A MOTION ON THE EXPLOITATION OF WATER UNDER THE SASUMUA AND KENOIKE DAMS Hon. Senators, I have a Message from the Speaker of the County Assembly of Nyandarua.

Hon. Senators, after I finish with this Message, I will hear your point of order. Allow me to read this message. (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

(Loud consultations)An. Hon. Senator: Reply! (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) Sorry, what are you getting? Is it the Communication from the Speaker? Do you have it? The Senate Minority Leader (

Resume your seats. (Loud consultations)An. There is the HANSARD. There is also a notice that I had given; a forwarding letter, minutes and signatures of Senators who have signed. (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations)

(Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) An. Hon. Senator: Reply! Sen. Olekina, I am on the Floor and you know the rules of this House. (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) An Hon. Senator: (Loud consultations)(Loud consultations)(Loud consultations) Where is the Communication? Where is it? Is it this letter?

Resume your seats. (Loud consultations) An.

(Loud Consultations) (Loud consultation) of the Parliament Service Commission (PSC) Under Article 127(2) (d) of the Constitution.Pursuant to the said Standing Orders, I now report the message. Pursuant to the provisions of Standing Order 41(1) of the National Assembly Standing Orders, I hereby convey the following message from the National...

Sen. Olekina, I am on the Floor and you know the rules of this House.

Sen. Olekina, you are grossly out of order. I will read to you Standing Order No.121 (1) . It states: “A Senator is disorderly if the Senator- (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) (Loud consultations) An Hon. Senator: Hon. Senators, Standing Order No.48 (7) states that--- “ (3) When a Message from...

Thank you. Next Order! Proceed, Senate Minority Whip. PAPERS LAID

Chairperson, Committee on Finance and Budget? REPORT ON THE COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATION CASH DISBURSEMENT SCHEDULE FOR FY 2022/2023

Simultaneously, you can give notice of the Motion. (The Clerk-at-the-Table consulted the Chair) NOTICE OF MOTION ADOPTION OF REPORT ON COUNTY GOVERNMENTS ADDITIONAL ALLOCATION CASH DISBURSEMENT SCHEDULE FOR FY2022/2023

Hon. Senators, I want to reorganize the business of the day. We will skip Order No.7 to Order No.15 on the Order Paper. STATEMENTS FORM ONE INTAKE IN THE COUNTRY DISASTER MANAGEMENT PREPAREDNESS IN KISUMU COUNTY INVASION OF THE AHERO RICE FIELDS BY QUELEA BIRDS REVERSAL OF DELOCALIZATION POLICY IN...

Sen. Chimera?

Any Member who wants to--- Sen. Cheptumo, you may proceed.

Sen. Wakoli Wafula, Senator for Bungoma.

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, you may second.

Thank you. This matter does not concern counties. Therefore, I proceed to put the question. APPROVAL OF SEN. DAVID WAFULA WAKOLI, MP TO SERVE IN THE COMMITTEE ON POWERS AND PRIVILEGES

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to support this Motion. I am in support of the changes that have been made by the leadership of this House. I am looking at the changes made in the Standing Committee on Tourism, Trade and Industrialisation where I Chair. I welcome Sen. (Dr.)...

Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika kwa fursa hii. Ningependa pia kuunga mkono Hoja hii. Nashukuru viongozi wa chama kwa kunipa nafasi ya kutumikia wananchi katika Kamati ya Ugatuzi na Mahusiano ya Kiserikali. Sisikitiki kuondolewa kutoka Kamati ya Ugatuzi na Mahusiano ya Kiserikali kwa sababu nimejifunza mengi katika muda mfupi ambapo nimekuwa...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, before I reply, I would like to say that I actually had a good time serving in the Senate Committee on Information, Communication and Technology (ICT) as the Vice Chairperson. I hope that all the things we started working on will come to fruition.

Thank you. Having no other Senators, I call upon Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale to reply.

of funds that the counties engage in or have not limited to water companies, conservancies agreements and regional blocs investments that any county would have engaged in.I do believe that the Senator together with the Members of the Committee will continue looking into the mandate of the said Committee.Mr. Deputy...

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, you may second.

Sen. Munyi Mundigi, kabla uondoke, sijasikia ukisema kama unaunga mkono au la, ama umekuwa ukizungumza kuhusu mambo mengine? Umeunga mkono kweli?

Asante. (Question proposed) I can see that a few Senators are interested to contribute. Sen. Nyamu, please proceed.

(Laughter) (Applause)

Last but not least, Sen. Okenyuri, please proceed.

I can see a lot of interest on this matter, but I said she is the last person. So, I will stick to my principle. I now call upon the Mover to reply.

Sen. Orwoba, you know you are enterprising. You can get so many things to do at any time. So, you are not short of ideas. Again, this matter does not concern county governments. Therefore, I will proceed to put the question. (Question put and agreed to) The Deputy Speaker (Sen....

Sen. Chesang, you have the Floor.

Sen. Cherarkey, you have the Floor.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise pursuant to Standing Order 53 (1) to seek a Statement from the Standing Committee on Education on Reversal of Delocalization of Teachers’ Policy in Embu County by the Teachers Service Commission (TSC) . In the Statement, the Committee should- Sen. Okenyuri, you can proceed...

Thank you. Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, next time somebody praises you, do not clap for yourself. You should wait for other people to clap for you. May be I should request hon. Members to clap for you so that you feel happy. (Laughter) (Applause)

Sen. Veronica Waheti Nduati, proceed.

also given an opportunity to teach and serve the children and the parents from the places where they are able to do the best in terms of teaching.Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I therefore, encourage the chairperson of the Committee on Education together with his team to make sure that this...

On a point of order on, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir.

Sen. Oketch Gicheru, the Speaker has got the discretion to allow you to speak or not. Sen. Cherarkey, proceed. (Sen. Oketch Gicheru spoke off record) Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I rise to support the Statement on the implementation of the reversal of delocalization of teachers’ policy across the country. When...

On a point of order! STATUS AND WELFARE OF BABY JUNIOR SAGINI

Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, before you rule on that matter, as I was saying, apart from the--- (Sen. Oketch Gicheru spoke off record)

Hon. Members, could you, please take your seats? We now have quorum. I order for the Division Bell to stop. Sen. Cherarkey, you were on the Floor. (Resumption of debate on Statements) [The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Temporary Speaker (Sen. Wakili Sigei) in the Chair]

Just a minute, Sen. Mariam Omar. Can you kindly summarize because the Statement that I have here is brief?

Kindly skip what you can.

The Statement stands committed to the Committee on Education. (The Statement was committed to the February 15, 2023 SENATE DEBATE 32 FORM ONE INTAKE IN THE COUNTRY DISASTER MANAGEMENT PREPAREDNESS IN KISUMU COUNTY INVASION OF AHERO RICE FIELDS BY QUELEA BIRDS Please proceed, Majority Whip. PROCEDURAL MOTIONS LIMITATION OF DEBATE...

Please proceed, Sen. Tabitha Mutinda.

Yes, Sen. Cherargei. Do you want to contribute? Okay, proceed. February 15, 2023 SENATE DEBATE 33

Mr. Speaker, Sir, I thank the three Members who have contributed to this Motion. I beg to reply. (Question put and agreed to)

I request the Mover to reply.

Next order. Proceed, Senate Majority Whip. LIMITATION OF DEBATE ON ADJOURNMENT MOTIONS

From where I sit, no Senator is willing to contribute. So, I call upon the Mover to reply.

Next Order. Proceed, Senate Majority Whip.

Pursuant to Standing Order No.84 (2) , I determine that this matter does not affect counties. Therefore, I will put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. Proceed, Senate Majority Whip. LIMITATION OF DEBATE ON MOTION ON THE ADDRESS BY THE PRESIDENT

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. I second. (Question proposed) February 15, 2023 SENATE DEBATE 36

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, ordinarily, the President is expected to address the House once every year. In that particular Address, he addresses all sectors affecting the country. Limiting the time is for a good reason. Therefore, as and when the President has addressed the House, it is also appropriate to...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir for this opportunity. Limitation is very important. However, in future, in the interest of time, and to dispense of the business; the Senate Business Committee (SBC) and the House leadership can decide to standardise it to 20 minutes for both Majority and Minority sides....

Sen. Cherarkey, to defend this seat that I am sitting on, the Speaker has no vote. When you are told kata, it is not the Speaker who does the ‘kataring’. It is the House that makes the decision because the Speaker always puts question whether the Members allow two minutes...

Sen. Cherarkey, to defend this seat that I am sitting on, the Speaker has no vote. When you are told kata, it is not the Speaker who does the ‘kataring’. It is the House that makes the decision because the Speaker always puts question whether the Members allow two minutes...

You can see now you are now almost spoiling the good mood the whole afternoon. This Bill does not concern counties. I put the question. (Question put and agreed to) Next Order. THE AGRICULTURAL AND LIVESTOCK EXTENSION SERVICES BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 12 OF 2022) Next order. First Reading THE...

Thank you, Sen. Cherarkey.

Sen. Cherarkey, all these issues you have canvassed are right. I put this matter to SBC whose Members are here and the hon. Speaker is the Chair. It will be well discussed in the next SBC meeting so that we do not waste time. This is because we will be...

Hon. Senators, I now call upon the Chairperson to report progress.

Very well. I now call upon the Mover of the Bill The Senate Leader of Majority (

Let me put the question again. Some hon. Senators: No! We said “Aye”! (Loud consultations) Hon. Senators, listen. I think the Members were not attentive on what the Motion was to be. (Loud consultations) Hon. Members! Sen. Sifuna, I want to put the question again. An

Order, Members! An hon. Senator: Sen. Sifuna did not vote. (Loud consultations) Order, Members! I am calling them over. Senate Majority Leader, proceed.

Okay. Clerk, proceed. (Voting in progress) Serjeant-at-arms, open the door. THIRD READING THE INDEPENDENT ELECTORAL AND BOUNDARIES COMMISSION (AMENDMENT) BILL (NATIONAL ASSEMBLY BILLS NO. 49 OF 2022) DIVISION ROLL CALL VOTING NOES: Sen. Dullo, Isiolo County and Sen. Faki, Mombasa County. Teller of the Noes: Sen. Ogola. Hon. Senators, the...

Bw. Naibu Spika, hoja yangu ya nidhamu haihusiani na Sen. Methu. Hakukuwa na Spika kwenye hicho kiti dakika kama mbili zilizopita na hiyo imenishtua. Wakati Sen. Methu alipokuwa anaongea, ni kama hakuwa anaongea katika Seneti ya Jamhuri ya Kenya kwa sababu hicho kiti hakikuwa na Spika, kilikuwa kuwa wazi.

Samahani, Sen. Kinyua. Dakika mbili ni muda wa sekunde ngapi?

Sen. Methu, proceed.

Sen. Osotsi Godfrey, proceed.

Hon. Senators, I request that we make brief comments in just one or two minutes. Sen. William Cheptumo, you may proceed.

What is your point of order, Sen. Wambua?

Of course, I am. Without anticipating debate, let me say--- Can I amend it that way then proceed?

Proceed without referring to other matters that are yet to come.

[The Deputy Speaker (Sen. Kathuri) left the Chair] [The Speaker (Hon. Kingi) resumed the Chair]

Hon. Members, we are short of quorum by two Members. Kindly ring the Bell. (The Quorum Bell was rung) I can now confirm that there is quorum. Let us now proceed to transact our business. Clerk, proceed. COMMUNICATION FROM THE CHAIR VISITING DELEGATION FROM BARINGO COUNTY ASSEMBLY Hon. Senators we...

Thank you, Sen. Cheptumo. You know I was also trying to catch your eye so that you can also see that I am here. (Laughter)

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I see the Senator for Baringo County is trying to remind you that--- I was in this Chair. He said that when LAPSET went to Samburu, it was diverted. It went to Turkana and bypassed Baringo. The argument was from the Senator for Baringo County and it...

Let us make very brief comments. You can use two minutes, kindly. We have a lot of Business to transact. Let us hear from Sen. (Dr.) Lelegwe Ltumbesi, the Senate Deputy Majority Whip.

Can we hear from the Senate Minority Leader, Sen. Madzayo? The Senate Minority Leader (Sen. Madzayo) : Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika.(Applause) Asante, Bw. Naibu Spika. (Applause) Asante Sana. Tumskize Seneta wa Kaunti ya Nandi. Kiswahili chako kinafika wapi? Sen. Cherarkey, please proceed. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I do not want...

Vile umetafsiri, sijui kama ni kiingereza ndiyo inachanganya ama vipi. Sijaskia akisema hivyo. Sen. Cherarkey, kindly have your seat for a minute. Sen. Cheptumo, please proceed.

Vile umetafsiri, sijui kama ni kiingereza ndiyo inachanganya ama vipi. Sijaskia akisema hivyo. Sen. Cherarkey, kindly have your seat for a minute. Sen. Cheptumo, please proceed.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, these are leaders who are at the grassroots level and yet you see the SRC denying them some of their basic rights. It is very unfortunate that they need to beg for car grants and mileage allowance yet they do a very important job. They are...

County assemblies must be equipped to perform their role and also to understand the role of Senate under Article 96. They should also ensure their primary role of oversight is undertaken in line with the law.We do not want to have county assemblies that go to bed with the Executive...

I was a student in Moi High School Kabarak. I got to associate and closely see the second President of the Republic of Kenya taking uji with us in the morning. It is from there that I felt that I could also be a leader in this country.So, the seed...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I beg to lay the following Papers on the Table of the Senate today, Thursday, 1st December, 2022. PAPERS LAID Senate Deputy Majority Whip, please proceed.

There is another Paper on the Parliamentary Service Commission (PSC) Annual Report. Okay, it has been laid. Next order, please. Proceed, Senate Majority Whip. NOTICE OF MOTION ESTABLISHMENT OF AN AD HOC COMMITTEE TO AMEND THE CONSTITUTION TO ENTRENCH SPECIALIZED FUNDS

Next Order. There is a Statement from Sen. Crystal Asige who will be represented by Sen. Lemaltian. Sen. Lemaltian, kindly proceed. STATEMENTS INTERNATIONAL DAY OF PERSONS WITH DISABILITIES

Thank you. Next is the Statement by Sen. Cherarkey. COMPENSATION TO RESIDENTS OF MIHANG’O WARD FOR ILLEGAL DEMOLITION OF HOUSES

I can see Sen. Orwoba. Do you want to make a comment on this Statement? (Sen. Orwoba spoke off-record) Kindly proceed. STATUS OF ATHLETICS AND MANAGEMENT OF ATHLETES IN THE COUNTRY

I can see Sen. Orwoba. Do you want to make a comment on this Statement? (Sen. Orwoba spoke off-record) Kindly proceed.

Secondly, the Statement should tell us the support and protection the Government is giving to Ferdinand Omanyala - the first Kenyan to demonstrate that we can win a gold medal in 100-meter race. Since this is a jealously guarded sport so that he is not tricked into doping or some...

Thank you.

(Laughter)

That is a cup full of information. The next Statement is from the Senator for Taita Taveta County and I can see he is not around. He (Laughter)

That is a cup full of information. The next Statement is from the Senator for Taita Taveta County and I can see he is not around. He has two Statements. This also applies to the Senator for Mombasa County, Sen. Faki. Those Statements stand deferred until when they will be...

On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. THE BORDER DISPUTE BETWEEN KISUMU, NANDI AND KERICHO COUNTIES

What is it the Senate Majority Whip?

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, I also saw the Senator for Kisumu County in here and that is also the assumption of the Senator for Wajir County.

Proceed, Sen. Cherarkey.

Where I sit, I am not sure who should inform the owner of the Statement. Is it the Chairperson of the Committee or the secretariat?The Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, is Sen. (Prof.) Ojienda, SC aware that you are presenting the answer to his Statement...

To give him some justice, I suggest we defer it until the next sitting so that he can be available. We will do him some disservice if he did not appear before the Committee and he is not in the Chamber right now.

Who do you want to inform Sen. Dullo? Do you want to inform me? (Sen. Dullo spoke off record) You may inform him. Maybe, he has no issue with you informing him. Sen. Abass, the Chairperson of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, Sen. Dullo wants to give...

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, adding on your ruling, can you kindly direct the Committee and the Chairperson to also share with us the response so that we do not suffer unfairness in terms of the response. This is because they are discussing the boundary that we share. The Committee did...

Sen. Cherarkey, I advise you to approach and share that content with the chairperson of the Standing Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations so that when he presents next time, you will be at an advantage. Sen. Abass.

Thank you. Let us go to the next Statement by the Senate Majority Leader under Standing Order No.57 (1) .

Sorry, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale. There is a point of order from Sen. Wamatinga.

You could have done things the other way round; you first give us the Statement from the Senate Majority Leader because you are presenting it on his behalf and he did not instruct you to start the way you have started.

You could have done things the other way round; you first give us the Statement from the Senate Majority Leader because you are presenting it on his behalf and he did not instruct you to start the way you have started.

That is okay. BUSINESS FOR THE WEEK COMMENCING TUESDAY, 14TH FEBRUARY, 2023

Next Order. THE PARLIAMENTARY POWERS AND PRIVILEGES (AMENDMENT) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 5 OF 2022) THE NATURAL RESOURCES (BENEFIT SHARING) BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 6 OF 2022) First Reading THE PRESERVATION OF HUMAN DIGNITY AND ENFORCEMENT OF ECONOMIC AND SOCIAL RIGHTS BILL (SENATE BILLS NO. 7 OF 2022) DROUGHT AND...

Proceed, Senate Majority Whip, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale.

Proceed on your point of order, Sen. Cherarkey,

Sen. Cherarkey, is that a point of order or are you debating? You contributed to this Motion yesterday yet you are almost debating today.

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have no idea listening to the point of order from Sen---

Sorry, it is important to be on one side. Let us hear from Sen. Wamatinga Wahome. Is it a point of order?

Yes, Sen.(Dr.) Lelegwe Steve? First hear whether he wants to be informed.

That is why I am asking because you also know---

(Applause) (Laughter)

No. Sen. Chute Mohamed, Lemaltian Hezena are both on request. I think that they want to contribute to the Motion. So, those are not points of order.

While I empathize and sympathize with the over four million Kenyans that suffer from hunger, I am just calling out for accountability and transparency from county governments. Why are Senators protecting their counties yet we know money is going there?What is Mandera County doing to provide food for the suffering...

Sen. Cherarkey, you have caused a lot of heat this afternoon. Therefore, I want us to proceed with the Motion. If you get an opportunity to debate, you can put in your issues as you debate, including the point of order from Sen. Hezena. I can see you want to...

when there was an issue concerning maize. These maize farmers were pastoralists who left their way of life and went into farming, Sen. Cherarkey does not understand where the shoe pinches. He cannot sit confidently beside Sen. Lelegwe and misrepresent Samburu and Turkana counties.The North has sufficient Senators in this...

Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Is Sen. Cherarkey in order to mislead, not just this House, but the entire country? When we experience losses in the agricultural communities; coffee and maize farmers receive subsidies from the Government. Why is it that the same Government cannot cushion the livestock keepers?...

They did.

They did.

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, why are you stopping your point?

Order, Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale!(Laughter) Thank you, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. Today, we are at a point where little girls and boys, the age mates of my daughters and grandchildren are dying because there is no food anywhere. It is not a laughing matter. This arrogance was there in 1965. Jean-Marie...

Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, this is not a market place. You cannot just start singing Luhya songs which nobody understands.

This brings me to an experience I had last month in Kigali. We were in an international conference of the Inter-parliamentary Union in Kigali. The people of Pakistan, experiencing a worse disaster than the one we are having because of drought, came up and asked the international leadership to make...

Sen. Lemaltian, please proceed.

I do not see anything out of order.

I do not see anything out of order.

I am trying to align my thinking and my mind.

You are on a point of argument not a point of order.

Sen. Orwoba, please proceed.

sometimes toe the line of his argument and know when to be a pastoralist and when to be a Senator.